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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    Have you tried searching for GOLD US using the SEDOL instead which is 2024677? ABX is the dual listed version (Toronto listing) and priced in CAD rather than USD.
    No luck with that on HL either. I don’t think GOLD is listed with HL at all. Only ABX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    You don’t get that option on HL outside trading hours.

    It’s either wait for the market to open and do a regular buy or it’s a fill/kill order.

    I thought that was strange too and would have happily just set a buy price.

    I suspect it’s because it’s on a foreign exchange. I’m pretty sure you can set a limit order outside of LSE trading hours.
    My advice is not to trade outside of market hours, but to kill the 'kill' part of your order, which only deprives you of the opportunity to buy the shares at the price you wanted. Use a normal limit order, without the 'kill'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    No luck with that on HL either. I don’t think GOLD is listed with HL at all. Only ABX.
    Strange, GOLD doesn't show up in my AJBell account but the SEDOL does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    Strange, GOLD doesn't show up in my AJBell account but the SEDOL does.
    The SEDOL number is for the stock, not the trading venue. Barrick shares in Toronto and New York have the same ISIN and SEDOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    The SEDOL number is for the stock, not the trading venue. Barrick shares in Toronto and New York have the same ISIN and SEDOL.
    Not true, the SEDOL for US is 2024677 and the SEDOL for Toronto is 2024644.I agree they both share the same ISIN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    Not true, the SEDOL for US is 2024677 and the SEDOL for Toronto is 2024644.I agree they both share the same ISIN.
    I stand corrected.
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    I smell a rat. If this is what I think it is, we'll have some fun tomorrow.

    https://twitter.com/sprucepointcap/s...478942211?s=19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    I smell a rat. If this is what I think it is, we'll have some fun tomorrow.

    https://twitter.com/sprucepointcap/s...478942211?s=19
    TSLA

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    Elon Dust

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    I thought this post was particularly telling;

    The total market cap of the Auto sector is ~$1.065T. Out of that, Fraud Auto

    ($TSLA $NKLA$NIO) is $323B or 30%, more than the entire JP or EU+US. Fraud Auto

    sells <<0.5% of cars. twitter.com/fly4dat/status…

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKitega View Post
    TSLA

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    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    I smell a rat. If this is what I think it is, we'll have some fun tomorrow.

    https://twitter.com/sprucepointcap/s...478942211?s=19
    I was wrong.

    https://twitter.com/sprucepointcap/s...978907654?s=19
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    Kodak today:



    Yesterday's close: $7.64
    Today's open: $7.34 (-3.9%)
    Today's low: $6.68 (-12.5%)
    Today's high: $13.69 (+79.2%)
    Today's close: $8.01 (+4.8%)


    Absolutely normal. Buy stocks.
    Last edited by Raffe; 18th August 2020 at 21:44.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Kodak today:



    Yesterday's close: $7.64
    Today's open: $7.34 (-3.9%)
    Today's low: $6.68 (-12.5%)
    Today's high: $13.69 (+79.2%)
    Today's close: $8.01 (+4.8%)


    Absolutely normal. Buy stocks.
    That's not even the riskiest trade of the day. This am I paid by bank transfer for a Breguet from a Russian seller

    #sleeplessnights

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    I love this thread but some of the language is way over my head, think I need to take a crash course in investing!!
    To be fair I get the impression that many posting in this thread also need a crash course in investing.😀

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbn13 View Post
    To be fair I get the impression that many posting in this thread also need a crash course in investing.


    Maybe we should ask this guy's buddy to organise some training?


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    One more:

    Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.

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    Guaranteed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveya. View Post
    Guaranteed!

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    Since announcing the stock split a week ago, Tesla has surged about 500 dollars. The two weeks before, the share was trading really weak and it looked like it was about to fall over the cliff. I am sure idiotic traders with views like above are the major reason for the 500 dollar rallye. I have seen comments on Yahoo where people say that the stock split killed the short case because Tesla would be trading at 300 dollars post split and not even the most bearish analysts had a lower target than 300.
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    Ok I need some help. I've followed this advice and headed to the Ferrari Dealership but they say they won't sell me a new one. Do you think I should now buy a load of Kodak shares, wait for MOON tomorrow and then offer them an extra £100k to bump the list?
    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    One more:


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    When stocks rebound, WHERE best to invest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    One more:

    Well I’m sold, $12k guarantees me $2m, you’ll all be laughing on the other side of your face when I buy up all those vintage Rolex languishing on SC, I’ll then be ready for the next Rolex bubble.

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    It's all kicking off

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    Tesla $1911

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    One more:


    I have been such a fool. If only I’d know this before ...

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    Anyone else in with TILS? I bought in at 1.75 with the anticipation of short term rises but it’s been going down steadily. Online chat suggests US investors are suppressing it but it’s hard to tell what’s really going on. I’m not a big investor as I’m still a novice but it’s good to use these events to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurmot View Post
    Anyone else in with TILS? I bought in at 1.75 with the anticipation of short term rises but it’s been going down steadily. Online chat suggests US investors are suppressing it but it’s hard to tell what’s really going on. I’m not a big investor as I’m still a novice but it’s good to use these events to learn.
    Phase 2 trial coming Q4/2020. What is their cash burn until phase 3 is completed? Given they just sold 60M new equity, I suppose you can expect a lot more of that until anything gets to the market. It will be difficult to keep market attention for something non-Covid related, so the risk is that the next equity offering will be for more money but at lower price, diluting the shit out of existing shareholders. Also, chance of failure pre phase 2 is probably 80% or so.

    But you knew that, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Phase 2 trial coming Q4/2020. What is their cash burn until phase 3 is completed? Given they just sold 60M new equity, I suppose you can expect a lot more of that until anything gets to the market. It will be difficult to keep market attention for something non-Covid related, so the risk is that the next equity offering will be for more money but at lower price, diluting the shit out of existing shareholders. Also, chance of failure pre phase 2 is probably 80% or so.

    But you knew that, right?
    Thanks. I knew some of the above but not all. As I said, I’m still learning and trying to understand which factors affect share prices and I’m lmaking modest investments which won’t hurt too much if they fail.

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    Well I think I will stick with Amazon..

    however the strong pound recently has been a kick in the nuts which was unforeseen and is the equivalent of a 5% hit...

    the strength of the pound Is somewhat mystifying or is it a weakness in the other currencies ?

    hey ho just need Amazon to keep growing faster than the GBP...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKH View Post
    Well I think I will stick with Amazon..

    however the strong pound recently has been a kick in the nuts which was unforeseen and is the equivalent of a 5% hit...

    the strength of the pound Is somewhat mystifying or is it a weakness in the other currencies ?

    hey ho just need Amazon to keep growing faster than the GBP...
    Let's see what happens to inflation which jumped yesterday

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKH View Post
    Well I think I will stick with Amazon..

    hey ho just need Amazon to keep growing faster than the GBP...
    Hail to Lord Jeff, the dark lord!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveya. View Post
    Apple

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    So what's next for Apple - 1 trillion or 3 trillions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    So what's next for Apple - 1 trillion or 3 trillions?
    They need to hurry up and get a TV market, not sure what is taking so long,

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    Apple iTV

    all they need to do is pick up ITV using their petty cash box!!!

    I've got £20k stuck in ITV shares at the moment ........ here's hoping
    Last edited by BillN; 19th August 2020 at 19:17.

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    I'm all Googled up, so Android Chromebook LG , Google Home Nest and Sonos and YouTube Music

    Not sure I can be arsed moving over to a full new ecosystem

    But many will. Apple very slow on home tech imo.

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    Apple can't compete on a TV, not when their ecosystem relies so heavily on golden handcuffs and a 30% cut on in app purchases. Apple TV units were worse sellers than iPods when I worked there. Can't beat an Android TV or putting a £30 Chromecast into the back of a 'dumb' TV. Roku/Firestick etc also available.

    Apple will continue to do well and make great products with fantastic margins but a TV isn't something you change every 12-36 months and that's where their specialty now is. I wouldn't buy shares thinking TV is their next halo product or growth area.

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    I wonder where Apple would be if Steve Jobs was still around and what direction the company would be heading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    Hail to Lord Jeff, the dark lord!!
    Ah well better than the Banks or Tobacco or poluting planes or diamond mines or.......

    At least he employs 850’000 people....

    But i get your point, hard to invest 100 % ethically i recall the C of E once had shares in Wonga !....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKH View Post
    Ah well better than the Banks or Tobacco or poluting planes or diamond mines or.......

    At least he employs 850’000 people....

    But i get your point, hard to invest 100 % ethically i recall the C of E once had shares in Wonga !....
    All in jest, me and my lad have this joke about JB being like a Bond villain or some Darth Vadar like figure..

    He’s controversial for sure but he certainly understands the way the public want to shop..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKH View Post
    Ah well better than the Banks or Tobacco or poluting planes or diamond mines or.......

    At least he employs 850’000 people....

    But i get your point, hard to invest 100 % ethically i recall the C of E once had shares in Wonga !....
    Ethical?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Hi Raffe ....I invested quite a while back as the business model is well successful not just retail but AWS ...

    But i share your concerns re “control” in relation to 3rd party vendors both in terms of goods offered and use of 3rd party data ...i think the phenomenal growth has created issues with micro managing the size of the beast and i hope they can sort out those aspects....

    I saw your post at weekend that kind of stuff needs controlling and i very much doubt Amazon is in favour of it..

    No big corp is without its issues BP - deepwater horizon .....Apple Chinese factory worker suicides ....Barclays where to begin...manipulation of LIBOR..manipulation of exchange rates ...insider dealing...6 Billion in fines (so far)

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    Facebook

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    VW

    https://violationtracker.goodjobsfir...ent=volkswagen

    As i said hard to find a truly ‘clean’ investment...but open to suggestions...

    Banks seem to be very naughty

    https://violationtracker.goodjobsfir...=&state=&city=
    Last edited by TKH; 19th August 2020 at 22:02.

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    Market cap of Apple is now 25 times that of BP, and 5.5 times that of BP, Shell and Exxon combined.

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    What's going on with Tesla?!

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    Nevermind, it's corrected itself now. Odd.

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    News out: don't know if you have followed the saga around former Tesla employee Martin Tripp? It's a long story about bullying critical former employees and such, but the interesting part is that a whole load of internal document have been released. In this heap, some smart analysts have now found proof of real accounting fraud at Tesla.
    The news hasn't really been picked up widely yet, but this could lead to a SEC investigation.

    https://twitter.com/orthereaboot/sta...698649089?s=19
    Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    News out: don't know if you have followed the saga around former Tesla employee Martin Tripp? It's a long story about bullying critical former employees and such, but the interesting part is that a whole load of internal document have been released. In this heap, some smart analysts have now found proof of real accounting fraud at Tesla.
    The news hasn't really been picked up widely yet, but this could lead to a SEC investigation.

    https://twitter.com/orthereaboot/sta...698649089?s=19

    Accounting fraud? 'Priced in'. Bull signal. Buy! Buy! Buy!

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    Do a rights issue have a negative effect on stock price or can it help? thinking IAG here, but also more generally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T1ckT0ck View Post
    Do a rights issue have a negative effect on stock price or can it help? thinking IAG here, but also more generally.
    The rights issue itself is a negative, as it means the share count gets diluted and your claim on forward profits just got smaller. But then, companies are usually in distress when they do these large rights issues and the incoming cash can actually help to mitigate the financial stress, being a positive.

    So the answer is: it depends.
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    TSLA just passed $2000.

    Mental....is a massive understatement.

    I think the textbooks will be replacing the chapter about tulips, with one about Tesla.

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