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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    SMT has been a disaster to be in for the last 8 days.


    60% of my entire holding and currently more than 23% down.

    Totally stuffed my plan, which was to wait out the probable jump up when the new Biden stimulus arrives, and then sell out to cash and await the storm.

    The storm came early and now it's too dangerous to sell in case you miss the hops back up, which with SMT can be 10% in a day, and the same the day after.


    Bullocks.


    Need to keep thinking about it in percentage terms as the amount in cold hard £££ is eyewatering. Not far off 10 years of pension contributions wiped out in 8 days.


    The SMT chat boards are awash with people saying things like, "I had our entire mortgage deposit for a house in SMT and now its 25% gone..."


    Just goes to show how quickly things can turn.
    Sorry to read that; a 23% drop now requires a 30% gain to recover ....

    The only thing I have learned over the last year is it is impossible to time markets and so I'm building a diversified portfolio and I'm going long ...

    Unless you want to make trading your day job investment is not an amateur activity. You can build a sensible pension pot through a diversified portfolio of assets and funds and not have to be a (day) trader.

    I could not imagine the stress of having a 6 figure sum that represents a big chunk of my SIPP in a single stock or investment trust ... even less so one that is highly specialised or focused.

    I admire the nuts of those who are willing to make such bets but to me it seems like the road to ruin more often than not.

    Good luck all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernestrome View Post
    I must say I do not buy into the macho trader bullshit like 'go hard or go home' either.
    Nobody does. Not even himself, he will start wetting pants as soon as he is under water by 5%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Markets very poor technically, hanging by a thread. Need to reclaim higher levels today or may see quite a bit lower. Still don't see the big one coming, but this doesn't play according to the book and all this talk about long rates by people who two weeks ago didn't know what a bond is makes me nervous. Federal Reserve to the rescue today or we will see some blood.

    Trade carefully.
    down another 5% pretty much across the portfolio premarket this morning :P some blood indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    Sorry to read that; a 23% drop now requires a 30% gain to recover ....

    The only thing I have learned over the last year is it is impossible to time markets and so I'm building a diversified portfolio and I'm going long ...

    Unless you want to make trading your day job investment is not an amateur activity. You can build a sensible pension pot through a diversified portfolio of assets and funds and not have to be a (day) trader.

    I could not imagine the stress of having a 6 figure sum that represents a big chunk of my SIPP in a single stock or investment trust ... even less so one that is highly specialised or focused.

    I admire the nuts of those who are willing to make such bets but to me it seems like the road to ruin more often than not.

    Good luck all.
    I get the admiration but only if its based off research and facts, anything other is a gamble, while its a smaller sum I look at what I have invested in the last 12 months and most of it was probably an educated gamble!

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    The next craze... prolly be NFTs. Can imagine the new generation 'investing' in this area this year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56252738

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Federal Reserve to the rescue today or we will see some blood.
    I understand the rescue would involve just printing even more money beyond the staggering $120 billion per month they are already printing.

    From what I have read the Fed are now caught between a rock and a hard place, as if they print more they will risk a complete bust, but if the don’t print more they will risk a complete bust.

    The Fed are resorting to comments like we are watching this very closely, which briefly drops the treasury yields, before they rise again.

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    Days like this, all there is to do is to stay away from the prices and let it all ride out. A lot easier said than done mind you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    I get the admiration but only if its based off research and facts, anything other is a gamble, while its a smaller sum I look at what I have invested in the last 12 months and most of it was probably an educated gamble!
    The thing that constantly amazes me is what some of the new generation of investors (read gamblers) actually deem to be “research and facts”.

    As an example, I have a decent fundamental understanding of the medical diagnostics market from working on the periphery of it for a number of years now. COVID has turned this market upside down, attracting a new generation of investors into a number of highly speculative plays.

    When you visit some of these company’s stock chat boards the lack of understanding of even the most basic facets of the sector is simply staggering. I joined a couple in an attempt to provide some actual facts, but just got shouted down as a ‘basher’ so quickly gave up. You’re literally screaming into the void if you try to inject even a modicum of reality.

    It’s mad out there with some of these stocks. People are getting sucked in and losing huge amounts of money. They’re also dragging friends and family to the parties, who also then suffer big losses when the inevitable rapid falls come as nothing valuable materialises. Genuinely eye-opening and quite terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noTAGlove View Post
    I understand the rescue would involve just printing even more money beyond the staggering $120 billion per month they are already printing.

    From what I have read the Fed are now caught between a rock and a hard place, as if they print more they will risk a complete bust, but if the don’t print more they will risk a complete bust.

    The Fed are resorting to comments like we are watching this very closely, which briefly drops the treasury yields, before they rise again.
    The rate of asset buying won't change, what I was referring to was rhetoric support as seen every time the market wobbled during the last months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKitega View Post
    The next craze... prolly be NFTs. Can imagine the new generation 'investing' in this area this year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56252738
    Just in case you missed that info as it's not in the article.

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    FOMO, Lambo's and herding what could possibly go wrong...even fell for it myself in a very, very small way and paid too much for a tiny TIGR last week, hodl I believe is the term you chaps use...


    Grimes, pffft, what a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    The rate of asset buying won't change, what I was referring to was rhetoric support as seen every time the market wobbled during the last months.
    Yes, but the way the Fed could reduce treasury yields is by printing even more money to buy more of them. If not, the market will start to more dictate the price.

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    When stocks rebound, WHERE best to invest?

    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    The SMT chat boards are awash with people saying things like, "I had our entire mortgage deposit for a house in SMT and now its 25% gone..."


    Just goes to show how quickly things can turn.
    It is never good to lose money, but it is only a problem if anyone has piled in since December 2020.

    If anyone has held this for anything like 1 to 5 years, they have still made out like bandits.

    I’f you have been fully exposed for a decade, you’d be travelling the world first class in retirement when COVID allows.

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    EZJ still doing well, could be a safe haven for a few months

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    I get the admiration but only if its based off research and facts, anything other is a gamble, while its a smaller sum I look at what I have invested in the last 12 months and most of it was probably an educated gamble!
    By that I mean having the ability to take significant risks with ones future financial wellbeing ... I just struggle with sleeping if I make a risky punt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    EZJ still doing well, could be a safe haven for a few months
    Can't be far off til we realise we can't fly anywhere this summer/year and the price crashes down again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Outstanding shares are non-trivial, as there are potential dilutions which need to be figured and there is a set of rules in GAAP how to do that. Microstrategy has at least the convertible notes issued in December ($650M) to consider, potentially other options or warrants.
    Yes, I'd already guessed that the convertible bonds were a potential can of worms eagerly anticipating liberation. For the moment however I'm content to treat them as a simple interest free loan. Thanks for the GAAP tip, something I wasn't previously aware of.

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    When stocks rebound, WHERE best to invest?

    I think the next interesting time for the market will be next Wednesday 10th when the 10 year US treasury notes will be auctioned.

    There has not been a similar auction since Feb 25th (7 year note), when the market had a hissy fit because of the awful debt auction.

    If the auction is worse next week, the markets are in for further pain.

    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-ce...s/auctions.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    Can't be far off til we realise we can't fly anywhere this summer/year and the price crashes down again?
    I rather doubt that. Euro countries are gagging for some Great-British-Tourists. With all U.K. adults vaccinated by end of June the airlines will at least have some cash coming in again.

    My only play in this sector is Menzies who do airport ground services, which was a very lucky purchase for me so far. Their results are due 9th March. Hopefully it will be good for at least 300p sometime this year.
    Last edited by Justin Case; 4th March 2021 at 14:18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Case View Post
    I rather doubt that. Euro countries are gagging for some Great-British-Tourists. With all U.K. adults vaccinated by end of June the airlines will at least have some cash coming in again.

    My only play in this sector is Menzies who do airport ground services, which was a very lucky purchase for me so far. Their results are due 9th March. Hopefully it will be good for at least 300p sometime this year.
    No trip to Nürburgring then this year, Ally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyzzj View Post
    Raffe your Tesla short must've paid off today...
    Now it does. BIG time.

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    All SPACs going to $10?

    Looks like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    All SPACs going to $10?

    Looks like it.
    The end of the Spac




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    All SPACs going to $10?

    Looks like it.
    So long as they don't go under.

    Anyone going to try grab a slice of Deliveroo when the time comes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Now it does. BIG time.
    Curious to see where this is going



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    Been selling quite a bit of momentum stocks into the recovery off the first selloff. I can still see the possibility of the market recovering/rallying late in the session (Powell just speaking), but my trust is low. Will pick up more SPACs at around $10 levels, see that as a nice asymmetric play on a potential market rally without as much downside risk.

    Other than that, can't wait for Tezzler to implode. Fingers crossed.

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    TSLA: The Revenge
    This time it's personal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bondurant View Post
    TSLA: The Revenge
    This time it's personal.
    You bet it is.

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    I have some sizable bids in some SPACs at $10.01 to $10.05 and am getting pounded. People selling in lots of 20s to 1,000s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    Good shout Alfa, I'll take a look. Thanks.

    Like the ticker name!
    Hope you didn’t put too much in :). Down 5% just today.

    Still good compared to a year ago but painful in the last week. Told you I knew more about tech than investing.

    Still think AI is a good long term bet.

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    Was expecting Powell to save this market a bit but...


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    I give up.


    Gonna cash it all in and blow the little that's left on coke and hookers.

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    For anyone that is able to buy Greyscale Bitcoin Trust (GBTC), for some odd reason, it's currently trading at a discount to the amount of Bitcoins they own.

    Not sure that will happen very often. Quite an amazing price to get in at, below $40 when BTC is trading at $48k.

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    Total decimation on the Reddit TSLA investors forum right now.

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    GME.... I give up completely

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    For anyone that is able to buy Greyscale Bitcoin Trust (GBTC), for some odd reason, it's currently trading at a discount to the amount of Bitcoins they own.

    Not sure that will happen very often. Quite an amazing price to get in at, below $40 when BTC is trading at $48k.

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    That's quite a discount!

    Must be the cheapest Bitcoins in town, right now?



    Their website talks of the possibility to actually convert your GBTC holdings into "real" bitcoins at some point in the future, in the same way that you can do with some gold ETFs.

    I imagine things would have to settle down a bit before that'd be possible.

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    SIPP getting shredded again. Just means I'll live like a King in retirement but will need to book a one way trip to Dignitas at around age 67

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    Total decimation on the Reddit TSLA investors forum right now.
    What’s there saying every time Tesla falls, Buy the Dip! Buy the Dip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny View Post
    What’s there saying every time Tesla falls, Buy the Dip! Buy the Dip!
    Pretty much, interlaced with "I've just lost $200k, hold me", or "there goes my freedom, time to tell mom I'm living here for another 10 years". But my fave so far is "this morning I ate at uber eats, now I work in one". Carnage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    SIPP getting shredded again. Just means I'll live like a King in retirement but will need to book a one way trip to Dignitas at around age 67

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    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    SMT has been a disaster to be in for the last 8 days.


    60% of my entire holding and currently more than 23% down.

    Totally stuffed my plan, which was to wait out the probable jump up when the new Biden stimulus arrives, and then sell out to cash and await the storm.

    The storm came early and now it's too dangerous to sell in case you miss the hops back up, which with SMT can be 10% in a day, and the same the day after.


    Bullocks.


    Need to keep thinking about it in percentage terms as the amount in cold hard £££ is eyewatering. Not far off 10 years of pension contributions wiped out in 8 days.


    The SMT chat boards are awash with people saying things like, "I had our entire mortgage deposit for a house in SMT and now its 25% gone..."


    Just goes to show how quickly things can turn.
    Wait, you have 60 % of your portfolio in one trust/fund?
    SMT has doubled in the past year & up 450% in the past 5 years, are you still not in profit/green (from the rises over the past year huge growth in the share price so "havent really lost anything" )?

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    GOOD GOD... Tigr pre market 18.82 please someone tell me im dreaming still lol

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    GGRRRRRR

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    Quote Originally Posted by southerner101 View Post
    GOOD GOD... Tigr pre market 18.82 please someone tell me im dreaming still lol
    Pre market isn't open until another 80 minutes. This was closing yesterday.
    Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southerner101 View Post
    GOOD GOD... Tigr pre market 18.82 please someone tell me im dreaming still lol
    It's cause I finally bought some.


    Just to finish off any thread of cash I have left in my portfolio.


    I should think it'll all be gone by this afternoon.


    Rolex fire sale coming up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post


    Rolex fire sale coming up!

    Rolex have just announced they will be quadrupling production of SS Rolex and accepting Tesco Clubcard Points as payment

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    Anyone else found their THCA holding on HL is showing as "N/A"?

    I have a red exclamation mark next to the ticker which says "We are unable to provide a recent price for this stock online and, as a result, it is not included in the totals here. For an up-to-date price, please contact us."

    Not seen that before.


    Knowing my luck, the company's owners have done a runner with everyone's cash.......


    But being positive, maybe they're about to announce a massive merger and the price has gone up so much that HL are having to check it.....
    Last edited by mr noble; 5th March 2021 at 09:32.

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    I have the same message on HL re THCA.

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    When stocks rebound, WHERE best to invest?

    THCA is fine with me now on HL, wasn’t at open though with issue as described.

    EDIT; its now playing up!

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