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    In all seriousness I'm trying to get a roofer for my garage, find a builder for an extension, a landscape gardener and also a tuner to fettle the car. Literally this year has gone, car can get done in about 8 weeks maybe, loads of money being spent .

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    US suspending JNJ vaccine because of six patients with blood clotting out of 7 million doses applied .

    Dunno but this has cost immediately 15 points on the S&P 500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    US suspending JNJ vaccine because of six patients with blood clotting out of 7 million doses applied .

    Dunno but this has cost immediately 15 points on the S&P 500.
    Both J&J and AZ use adenovirus as the vector so it would seem the issue lies there. Same frequency as AZ too of clotting. Nightmare for EU though as they were reliant on J&J for phase 2 as this will just increase vaccine hesitancy.

    1 clot in 1 million is an overreaction IMHO even if all the clots were fatal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Both J&J and AZ use adenovirus as the vector so it would seem the issue lies there. Same frequency as AZ too of clotting. Nightmare for EU though as they were reliant on J&J for phase 2 as this will just increase vaccine hesitancy.

    1 clot in 1 million is an overreaction IMHO even if all the clots were fatal.
    Absolutely, a catastrophic overreaction which will have huge consequences for trust.




    Add JnJ with 6 cases out of 7 Mio doses and the pattern is confirmed.
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    In isolation those figures are madness.

    Crazy to stop a jab completely on the back of those figures alone.

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    For context as 1 person from 8m vaccinated with J&J died from a clot (the others are being treated, all are females BTW), and Covid has a 0.6% Infection Fatality Rate, then catching Covid is around 48k times more likely to kill you than getting a dose of J&J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Absolutely, a catastrophic overreaction which will have huge consequences for trust.




    Add JnJ with 6 cases out of 7 Mio doses and the pattern is confirmed.
    This is the media driven world in which we now reside.

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    Bought Tesla, looking for a bounce to $760-780.
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    Will watch with interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    This is the media driven world in which we now reside.
    To be fair the clots associated with the contraceptive pill have a <1% Fatality rate and the cerebral clots associated with AZ/J&J have a >20% fatality risk so a like for like comparison isn't warranted but that being said there is one nasty bug going round currently that is an absolute sh*tshow for clots. Name begins with a 'C' and ends in '19'. So people should absolutely take the vaccine. Statistically if everyone in the UK took J&J we might expect 67 deaths based on current death rates in the US. Even if that figure doubled, it is far less than the deaths of people from Covid by a huge margin.

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    Anyone any view on Coinbase listing on NSDAQ tomorrow? Another FOMO stock likely to take off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Absolutely, a catastrophic overreaction which will have huge consequences for trust.




    Add JnJ with 6 cases out of 7 Mio doses and the pattern is confirmed.
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    To be fair the clots associated with the contraceptive pill have a <1% Fatality rate and the cerebral clots associated with AZ/J&J have a >20% fatality risk so a like for like comparison isn't warranted but that being said there is one nasty bug going round currently that is an absolute sh*tshow for clots. Name begins with a 'C' and ends in '19'. So people should absolutely take the vaccine. Statistically if everyone in the UK took J&J we might expect 67 deaths based on current death rates in the US. Even if that figure doubled, it is far less than the deaths of people from Covid by a huge margin.
    You are incorrect Ryan. using the above figures, 1% of 500 is 5 deaths following clotting from the pill, whereas 20% of 4 is less than one. So there are more than 5 times more deaths from the pill than from AZ, and a like for like comparison is more than warranted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    You are incorrect Ryan. using the above figures, 1% of 500 is 5 deaths following clotting from the pill, whereas 20% of 4 is less than one. So there are more than 5 times more deaths from the pill than from AZ, and a like for like comparison is more than warranted.

    I don't think I was incorrect at all, I was stating that the types of clots are different with a different prognosis. But yes the absolute risk of the contraceptive pill would appear to be higher due to the much higher frequency of these (admittedly more benign) clots.

    But regardless, your chances of dying from Covid are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy higher than dying from the vaccine and I suspect the most dangerous part of the whole vaccination process is the trip to and from the vaccination centre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    Anyone any view on Coinbase listing on NSDAQ tomorrow? Another FOMO stock likely to take off?
    If you want a critical view, check this: https://archive.ph/Tnbkg

    I think the FT is as usual spot-on, but that doesn't necessarily mean the listing won't be a smashing success. After all, it's still 2021.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I don't think I was incorrect at all, I was stating that the types of clots are different with a different prognosis. But yes the absolute risk of the contraceptive pill would appear to be higher due to the much higher frequency of these (admittedly more benign) clots.

    But regardless, your chances of dying from Covid are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy higher than dying from the vaccine and I suspect the most dangerous part of the whole vaccination process is the trip to and from the vaccination centre.
    I know the clots are different, and need to be treated differently. But the moment you introduce fatality rates you give an element that allows to compare them adequately. That is the part I wanted to highlight: the pill (taken by millions of women across the world) kills more that the AZ vaccine, and no one bats an eyelid other than the victims families.
    We of course fully agree that Covid kills far more overall. Although, if we only consider age groups Covid becomes less deadly and slightly more comparable. And then we need proper data about the protection the AZ gives you against contaminating others, because the fact that you do not die from Covid without the vaccine may pale into insignificance if you kill others...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    If you want a critical view, check this: https://archive.ph/Tnbkg

    I think the FT is as usual spot-on, but that doesn't necessarily mean the listing won't be a smashing success. After all, it's still 2021.
    Thank you, interesting article.

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    Another good article here about the Coinbase IPO.

    In summary, it’s saying that their current valuation is based on them taking a 0.57% fee for all transactions they facilitate.

    That figure is totally unsustainable going forward. Binance, for example only charges a 0.1% fee.

    Just as there was a race to the bottom in trading fees, from around £15 per trade to the £0.00 that some platforms now charge, the same is expected to happen in the Crypto world, and Coinbase will have to follow suit to remain competitive.

    The article states that a fairer valuation is rather a lot lower than the $100bn it might see tomorrow!

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sh...us-11618254467


    (Not sure why I wrote all that as you could just read the article.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Bought Tesla, looking for a bounce to $760-780.
    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    Will watch with interest.
    Bought at $714 and $715, just sold half at $749.
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    Selling NASDAQ and SP500 short here and sold rest of Tesla at $758.
    Last edited by Raffe; 13th April 2021 at 20:06.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Bought at $714 and $715, just sold half at $749.
    Nice work, well done.

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    Sold my PAH3 yesterday at 96.4 & 96.8. About 9% up since buying.

    Needed to sell something to free up £20k to move into my ISA.

    Might buy it back inside the tax free wrapper if it moves down in the expected market correction.

    It is annoying on HL that you have to sell shares, wait out the T+2 days, then actually withdraw the cash Fund&Share account into your own bank account, before you can send funds into your HL ISA. Crazy. Why can't they allow us to send funds from F&S to ISA? I couldn't see a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    Sold my PAH3 yesterday at 96.4 & 96.8. About 9% up since buying.

    Needed to sell something to free up £20k to move into my ISA.

    Might buy it back inside the tax free wrapper if it moves down in the expected market correction.

    It is annoying on HL that you have to sell shares, wait out the T+2 days, then actually withdraw the cash Fund&Share account into your own bank account, before you can send funds into your HL ISA. Crazy. Why can't they allow us to send funds from F&S to ISA? I couldn't see a way.
    They do have a way....it is (from memory) transfer money in to ISA - drop down box appears. Fund and Share account is an option...


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    Sold my PAH3 yesterday at 96.4 & 96.8. About 9% up since buying.

    Needed to sell something to free up £20k to move into my ISA.

    Might buy it back inside the tax free wrapper if it moves down in the expected market correction.

    It is annoying on HL that you have to sell shares, wait out the T+2 days, then actually withdraw the cash Fund&Share account into your own bank account, before you can send funds into your HL ISA. Crazy. Why can't they allow us to send funds from F&S to ISA? I couldn't see a way.
    You can move cash between accounts but when I do so infrequently I always have to ring them for instructions. The links are not intuitively positioned.

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    I did have a good look, but didn't see any option than "withdraw to bank account".

    It isn't really an issue, just more buttons to press.

    The best thing would be being able to move holdings across, so you don't have to sell them and be out of the market for 3 or more days....

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    COIN

    Anyone been crazy/brave enough to set a fill or kill order at best price to buy some COIN?


    Will it go up, or will it go down?


    I'm guessing both, down first, then up.


    Then down, a lot, over the next year or two.

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    I see Bernie has floated off to the big ponzi scheme in the sky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    Anyone been crazy/brave enough to set a fill or kill order at best price to buy some COIN?


    Will it go up, or will it go down?


    I'm guessing both, down first, then up.


    Then down, a lot, over the next year or two.
    I reckon you'll see an early doors frenzy and a significant rise, followed by a bigger fall. This will be volatile for a while no doubt.

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    Info here.

    https://www.fxstreet.com/news/coinba...e-202104141003

    Interesting how a direct listing differs from a regular IPO. The opening price is chosen by the market makers at the price that they can execute the largest number of opening orders.

    I set a fill or kill order at best price for a bit of a punt. I’m guessing that means I’ll get the amount of £ worth I asked for at whatever price it opens at.

    However, with my broker being HL, I expect I still won’t have any shares on Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    Anyone been crazy/brave enough to set a fill or kill order at best price to buy some COIN?


    Will it go up, or will it go down?


    I'm guessing both, down first, then up.


    Then down, a lot, over the next year or two.
    BBG reckon $340 launch price, certainly feels punchy: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...premium-europe

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    Latest indications for COIN opening $365 $371 (+46%). Not for the faint of heart.
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    Apparently above $380 in the bookbuilding now....
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    Looking forward to the next installment of 'Market Maker Gate' after these tank on the open and everyone is up in arms looking for people to blame.

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    Open at $381, quick run to $405.

    No borrow available to short, no options yet - maybe a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Open at $381, quick run to $405.

    No borrow available to short, no options yet - maybe a good thing.
    Now $420. and climbing. Bonkers.


    HL crashed, no idea if I got any, what price I paid or if I can sell them yet.

    HL still showing $250. Their system really is $hite.

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    $360. There is some borrow available now, but ain't going to pay 25%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Selling NASDAQ and SP500 short here and sold rest of Tesla at $758.
    Up (well, down) 150 pts on the Nasdaq futures and 12 on the S&P.

    Another good day. Tesla hanging on a thread at $744, watching with interest if it manages to recover. I still have my puts, actually bought some more yesterday.
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    COIN now $329, $100 below it's high from 81 minutes ago.

    Made this one 10 minutes before the final collapse...

    Last edited by Raffe; 14th April 2021 at 20:01.
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    I’ve make great money buying VET vechain.

    Going to leave it all and see where I end up in a couple of years.

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    ARB - ouch!

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    INO - Mooooooning!


    Looks like they've got their Covid Vaccine sorted at last.

    Pre-market up 20% and climbing. Shorts squeezes are back!
    Last edited by mr noble; 15th April 2021 at 14:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    ARB - ouch!
    Yup. Touched 175p!


    Diamond hands required. Their long forecast is still very bullish given they mine 200+ BTC every month......but it all hinges on BTC staying up and continuing its bull run. That isn't going to last forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    INO - Mooooooning!


    Looks like they've got their Covid Vaccine sorted at last.

    Pre-market up 20% and climbing. Shorts squeezes are back!

    Vaccine sorted?

    Careful, that sounds a bit like a pump. They have submitted a white paper for peer review, vaccine is still in phase 1 trial.

    Looooooooooong way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    INO - Mooooooning!


    Looks like they've got their Covid Vaccine sorted at last.

    Pre-market up 20% and climbing. Shorts squeezes are back!
    FDA approval still needed.

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    Booooo - now dumping back down again. Haha. As you were.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    Booooo - now dumping back down again. Haha. As you were.

    You may get another chance to sell into strength today, just wait a little.


    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Up (well, down) 150 pts on the Nasdaq futures and 12 on the S&P.

    Another good day. Tesla hanging on a thread at $744, watching with interest if it manages to recover. I still have my puts, actually bought some more yesterday.
    Not so clever trading yesterday. Was sitting on 5-digit intra-day gain and didn't sell - have by now lost 85% of the profit again. #BTFD, stupid! Was hell-bound not to take profits too early this time, seems Murphy will always strike no matter what I do.

    Now what about TZLA? I think I stay on the sideline for the moment and just remain with my puts. Prepared to buy some stock as a hedge if it shows signs of ripping again. Thousands of call have been bought over the last week, they may lose huge money if they can't prop it up until tomorrow - must watch closely.
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    Closed my short futures positions yesterday and then sold more higher. I am now very short 4,156 S&P and 14,009 Nasdaq. We shall see where that gets me today.

    TZLA: bought a small position yesterday before the close, $736 average. Still looking for a good push before the options expiry today, above $750 definitely. It can fall into the abyss then from next week, I have a massive put position if it does.
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    When stocks rebound, WHERE best to invest?

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    Travis Perkins are selling Wickes
    They are also closing lots of their smaller TP stores to make room for bigger locations with much more stock, so less retail but bigger retail.

    I imagine an emphasis will be online sales and delivery too..

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    Just looked at my trading watch list, WTF happened to ARGO?

    Nearly got on the crazy train a month ago but Ryan was hogging all the seats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    They are also closing lots of their smaller TP stores to make room for bigger locations with much more stock, so less retail but bigger retail.

    I imagine an emphasis will be online sales and delivery too..
    The rest of Travis has surpressed the value they are getting from Wickes, they are selling to maximise shareholder return, Wickes has traded well for some time. Had some easy wins, Homebase Bunnings debacle ( which was huge ) B&Q failed 'one' strategy ( they have a track record of big ideas and taking years of meetings to get nowhere , seem to be more on track now ) and of course the fact B&Q pulled out of kitchen installation and MFI going a few years ago.

    Wickes biggest advantage is the smaller footprint

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    Just looked at my trading watch list, WTF happened to ARGO?

    Nearly got on the crazy train a month ago but Ryan was hogging all the seats!

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    Sorry to bring the excitement down a good few notches! I can’t keep up with some of the risk taking on here.

    Just bought £1k in each of the following 10 defensive, relatively high divi companies that haven’t yet done that well out of the SM boom. All relative of course. Intention is to hold long term.

    Tesco
    GSK
    National Grid
    Reckitt Bensicker
    Diageo
    Morrisons
    Unilever
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