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    Yes difficult weeks, goes to show how important it is to diversify and hedge. I have seen quite some volatility in the daily results but have actually not lost money since the beginning of February (and have missed the explosive TSLA put gain because of the coordinated buying at $610 last week).

    I have killed most of my momentum stock positions, have sold TIGR, KOPN, INO and have reduced others (PRTA, ACTG, QCOM, IAC and CWH). In order not to be left without equity exposure if the market jumps back into bull-mode, I have accumulated lots of cheap SPACs in the $10 range. While there is no guarantee for these stock not to dip below $10 (some have already), the risk/reward is still asymmetric and I see them as some sort of cheap call options for a recovery. I got hit plenty on my bids at $10 plus pennies in IBER.U, THCA, THBR, ACAC and NGAC. Willing to buy more if and when. Also have bought APPH for less than half its price from two weeks ago.

    On the other side, TSLA puts paying nicely over the past days and am looking to book some profits before the weekend (maybe a third).

    Re THCA: bought some at $10.03 yesterday. After hours it traded back and forth between 10.02 and 10.10. Better ask HL what's up, nothing wrong with the stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    It's cause I finally bought some.


    Just to finish off any thread of cash I have left in my portfolio.


    I should think it'll all be gone by this afternoon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    I have the same message on HL re THCA.
    Quote Originally Posted by T1ckT0ck View Post
    THCA is fine with me now on HL, wasn’t at open though with issue as described.

    EDIT; its now playing up!

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    I just called the trading desk at HL and they said there's an issue that they're aware of and they think it'll resolve itself at 14:30 when the US market opens.

    I expect it'll open at or below $10 though. So my hopes of a merger announcement were incorrect.

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    What do we reckon with TSLA today once the regular market opens, smashing through into the 500's or rebounding up toward 700's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~dadam02~ View Post
    What do we reckon with TSLA today once the regular market opens, smashing through into the 500's or rebounding up toward 700's?
    I’m about to sell my BP, from that I would have funds to buy 1 Tezler, really is red or black and spin that roulette..

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    I’m about to sell my BP, from that I would have funds to buy 1 Tezler, really is red or black and spin that roulette..
    I'm short, you're long, the casino is open!

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    What’s the view on oil, as I know we had some fellow CRUD holders on here, I bought in at the height of the mayhem and have held on since?

    Demand is clearly going to pick up when economies reopen, but so should production.


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    Quote Originally Posted by peterdo View Post
    What’s the view on oil, as I know we had some fellow CRUD holders on here, I bought in at the height of the mayhem and have held on since?

    Demand is clearly going to pick up when economies reopen, but so should production.
    Not sure of the oil outlook but my BP have been in the red since I bought them last June, I can almost get out all square now and really tempted as I have had enough of them..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Yes difficult weeks, goes to show how important it is to diversify and hedge. I have seen quite some volatility in the daily results but have actually not lost money since the beginning of February (and have missed the explosive TSLA put gain because of the coordinated buying at $610 last week).

    I have killed most of my momentum stock positions, have sold TIGR, KOPN, INO and have reduced others (PRTA, ACTG, QCOM, IAC and CWH). In order not to be left without equity exposure if the market jumps back into bull-mode, I have accumulated lots of cheap SPACs in the $10 range. While there is no guarantee for these stock not to dip below $10 (some have already), the risk/reward is still asymmetric and I see them as some sort of cheap call options for a recovery. I got hit plenty on my bids at $10 plus pennies in IBER.U, THCA, THBR, ACAC and NGAC. Willing to buy more if and when. Also have bought APPH for less than half its price from two weeks ago.

    On the other side, TSLA puts paying nicely over the past days and am looking to book some profits before the weekend (maybe a third).

    Re THCA: bought some at $10.03 yesterday. After hours it traded back and forth between 10.02 and 10.10. Better ask HL what's up, nothing wrong with the stock.
    Just closed a quarter of my Tesla put position and my trading account is at an all-time high. Such are the benefits of diversified/hedged investing.


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    another rough day, down more in INO than I have made on all the other shares to date. Choose the wrong one to do my biggest trade on!

    Dont think its worth selling now, just will ride it out and hope it goes up at some point

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    Well done Raffe - Tesla taking an absolute kicking. A lot of people going to be feeling the pain.

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    wow TUMBLING tezla TIME...how low will it go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    wow TUMBLING tezla TIME...how low will it go...
    Even at $500 it's way over valued; when it get below $100 common sense has returned.

    SMT following TSLA down ... now nearly 30% off it's peak.

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    To be frank every single tip I've taken on this thread has been a stinker to date which just shows how hard it is to get this right. I've taken a bit of a battering this week and have liquidated a couple of the SPACs at a loss today. I've recalibrated my monthly savings to go into a global tracker at low cost, same with the cash remaining in the account and will let the non tracker funds and SPACs ride. Quite a lot is in Argo and I'll leave that as sure as eggs is eggs BTC will pump again one day.

    Seems to me the star funds outperform the trackers because of the riskier stocks in there that pump when times are good. When the markets are less bullish they underperform the trackers. Net result - same overall performance as the trackers minus the large fees you paid to the fund manager. So I'll bear that in mind next time :)

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    TSLA bag holders gathering being quickly organised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    Even at $500 it's way over valued; when it get below $100 common sense has returned.

    SMT following TSLA down ... now nearly 30% off it's peak.
    I sold out what little I had of SMT in June 20 as I thought it was a bit frothy, would be nice if it got back to the 759 I sold at and I won’t feel so bad about missing such a run up.

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    Tesla was @ $85 just 12 months ago. A way down to go yet I would think.

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    TIGR down 20% since market opened, what a day lol

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    Whats happened since 2.30pm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djjuk View Post
    Tesla was @ $85 just 12 months ago. A way down to go yet I would think.
    Well that was a "sensible" level ... I don't think it will go near that but I would welcome a return to boring markets driven by fundamentals ... a way to go before that returns.

    A few chancers getting their fingers burnt will help to cool things off a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    Whats happened since 2.30pm?
    carnage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    wow TUMBLING tezla TIME...how low will it go...
    I think it's only the beginning.

    Was short 50 puts, sold 20 of them so far at 570 and 550. What a day.

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    Buying back some Tesla puts at half the price I sold earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyzzj View Post
    TIGR down 20% since market opened, what a day lol
    Glad I sold that in time...

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    Meanwhile EYES was up 550% at one point :D


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    I wonder if we'll see a final round of weakness for our favourite EV maker?

    I think we have a fair chance to close at $570 or thereabouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    I wonder if we'll see a final round of weakness for our favourite EV maker?

    I think we have a fair chance to close at $570 or thereabouts?
    The power 'sell' hour? xD

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    Well, the late selloff never happened. I am somewhat miffed that IBKR went down five minutes before the close, was actually going to sell some more puts at the close. Hmmm.

    Maybe it's good for something, now I remain very short Tezzla over the weekend. We shall see what Monday brings.

    I have sold all of my remaining momentum stocks during the recovery rally this evening. no more ACTG, BBIO, APPH (already sold the rest earlier).

    Now I only have a load of $10 SPACs and a handful of long-term holdings (have even reduced position size with those) and lots of cash.

    Ready to look at new opportunities next week.

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    I’ve had the worst week of my life in investing terms.


    Turns out, the riskiest thing I spent money on this year, a McLaren, has turned out to be my safest investment.

    Sadly, the wife didn’t think I was being serious when I told her that earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    I’ve had the worst week of my life in investing terms.


    Turns out, the riskiest thing I spent money on this year, a McLaren, has turned out to be my safest investment.

    Sadly, the wife didn’t think I was being serious when I told her that earlier.
    really sorry to hear that... It's been a horrid week

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    Turns out, the riskiest thing I spent money on this year, a McLaren, has turned out to be my safest investment.

    Which model did you buy?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    I’ve had the worst week of my life in investing terms.


    Turns out, the riskiest thing I spent money on this year, a McLaren, has turned out to be my safest investment.

    Sadly, the wife didn’t think I was being serious when I told her that earlier.
    It does sounds like you dumped nearly all your chips onto SMP and Bitcoin. Hindsight is wonderful but it wasn't massively unexpected that either or both might run into headwinds. I've had a Chinese burn from my paper silver holdings personally but have learned the hard way to not over concentrate on any one investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    I’ve had the worst week of my life in investing terms.


    Turns out, the riskiest thing I spent money on this year, a McLaren, has turned out to be my safest investment.

    Sadly, the wife didn’t think I was being serious when I told her that earlier.
    Sell the car and buy the dip?

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    Even if you were highly diversified it's been a bad week, at least for the non pros amongst us. Shorting does not feature in my skill set.

    Doing nothing is still an OK option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Which model did you buy?

    My 2 year old daughter would prefer that vehicle. She calls my new toy....”Dada’s silly car.”

    Maybe a drive tomorrow will make me feel less beaten up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr noble View Post
    My 2 year old daughter would prefer that vehicle. She calls my new toy....”Dada’s silly car.”

    Maybe a drive tomorrow will make me feel less beaten up.

    Superb car, love the color!

    Great how kids react to cars. My Daimler Century is luxury on wheels, my 3 yo daughter hates it. My 36 yo Porsche -inherited from my dad who bought it from his mate 20 yrs ago when the guy emigrated - was in storage for the last 3.5 months and I'll be collecting it tomorrow and fit the newly upholstered seats (one crap seat from a breakers yard is currently mounted...).

    She'll definitely want to go for a ride in it. Usually she falls asleep within 10 mins. in that old, smelly and noisy, car.

    I think the old Porsches are great investments and fun btw.

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    Not my type of car, but I bet it's fun to drive.

    My daughter (six) has already decided that she will get my old 987 Boxster when she is old enough to drive. So that's that.


    Meantime, in electric Autoland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    Not my type of car, but I bet it's fun to drive.

    My daughter (six) has already decided that she will get my old 987 Boxster when she is old enough to drive. So that's that.


    Meantime, in .

    🤣🤣

    My 6 yo son wants the Daimler cause "it smells so good when you srart it in the morning, dad". The lovely exhaust fumes...

    Nice cars these 987's.

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