Don't care what you think of Love Island, this is a tragedy and nobody deserves to lose their life at 40 years young. RIP.
Don't care what you think of Love Island, this is a tragedy and nobody deserves to lose their life at 40 years young. RIP.
Wow, I'm genuinely shocked and saddened by this one, it's a real shame.
Very sad.
Incredibly sad - and at such a young age
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Bloody hell, that's awful.
This is very sad indeed. RIP Caroline.
There will be deep joy in the deadpool thread :(
RIP
Her relatively successful media career will have defined her existence from her own perspective. With the pending court case almost certainly going to result in an assault conviction or worse, her mainstream career was pretty much over. I guess she couldn't deal with that.
I guess over the next few days the media will be full of what a tragedy this is (and it is) and what a great person she was (not that she necessarily was). As has been noted, far too many "ordinary" people will have reached the edge of their own personal despair and fallen off the edge, maybe due to lack of support. The only, slim, benefit of the media coverage is that someone may just recognise that someone they know is be struggling and may reach out to them. I feel that would be the only way something good will come out of a very sad event.
I wonder how many of those posting platitudes about Caroline will acknowledge to themselves that maybe they could have done more to actually help her.
As you get older any loss of life seems tragic whether it be human or wild life, RIP :(
You can imagine the feeding frenzy the press had after the assault charge having had a profound impact on her mental wellbeing.
Very sad.
Very sad. The same media who castigated her will no doubt fawn over the tragic loss and bang on about the importance of mental health.
Apparently The Sun has deleted all its derogatory articles they’ve printed about her.Originally Posted by Chalet
British’journalism’ at its best .
Poor girl .
True this.
Never mind the curse of strictly. This love island has bad connotations . How many suicides or deaths attributed to this show??
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I think language is key here. There aren't any deaths 'attributed' to Love Island. There have been deaths in the cadre of LI contestants but that's very different. I think LI will take a battering now but it shouldn't as it can't be responsible for the actions of the public who think it's OK to say the most hideous things about people.
There's been several deaths linked to the phenomenon that is celebrity culture and social media. David Baddiel wrote a good piece in the Times (I think) a few weeks ago on this topic. He explained the difference in timing between Big Brother and Love Island and that, in the early days of BB, there wasn't the social media spread there is today. So if Nasty Nick didn't buy a paper he was unlikely to see the criticism of him whereas now it can hardly be escaped.
The answer isn't, as some believe, stopping the use of social media. The answer, or part of it at least, is that social-media-land is like cowboy country, totally lawless. There needs to be consequences for trolls which will also act as deterrents.
RIP Flackers. You're a Strictly legend.
This, plus ITV sacking her did not help. They have her blood on their hands. Someone with mental health needs support and not throwing to the gutter. Hopefully they get rid of these shit shows.
Genuinely stunned; never really rated her on Love Island, but was pretty damn good IMHO on Strictly. Can only start to imagine the mental turmoil she was in.
I thought she resigned because she couldn't travel to South Africa while awaiting trial. Either way, she obviously didn't have the support she needed which is incredibly sad.
Very very sad the loss of such a young life.
I just hope the press leave her family alone to grieve.
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Very sad indeed to go so young.
Has it been reported how she died?
Wow, that's very sad. Wasn't a fan of hers but as has been said no one deserves this. She was only 40. Sad.
So very sad and just highlights the power of the media/ social media. Whilst not a huge fan the loss of such a young life is tragic and those who have badgered her should be ashamed of themselves.
Terrible news. I can’t imagine what she was going through.
RIP Ms Flack :-(
I did like her, seemed to do well what ever she turned her hand to, good presenter, host, won Strictly.
Clearly had been hounded with press as her relationships always made the headlines, but press and privacy don't go well together.
Far too young to go, and some sort troubled soul...
RIP
Dying at 40 is sad. Mental health issues need to be addressed.
But a job in the public eye is incompatible with mental health issues.
Employers need to understand that. But employees need to help themselves.
Hundreds commit suicide every year. She was not worth less sympathy than them. She did not deserve more either.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Truly awful news. Hopefully the press will take a good look at themselves. Probably not though...
This.
RIP
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Just heard about this. Absolutely shocked me.
Anotherone taken so soon. Shocking news.
RIP Caroline.
We all have bad days.
Some of us will occasionally have thoughts of ending it all.
But the pressure pounded on some people by the press and social media must be utterly unbearable.
What a terrible loss for her family and friends.
The media and trolls should hang their heads in shame.
Cockroaches.
As someone said to me once, shit comes to everyone's door at some point but to have those sewer rats at you 24/7 would test the strongest characters.
Absolutely.
It's just a matter of time...
Too much assumption and generalisation, Saint-Just. Mental health is such a complex field and we only know a tiny fraction of what went on here. What is indisputable is the sadness of the loss, particularly at such a young age.
There is hardly any generalisation.
We, as a society (and it's not "we" as the UK, since it seems K-pop is even worse), have lost our values of empathy and compassion to social media and shows like BB and of course Love Island, among others. How fun it is to see those people stab themselves in the back, cheat on each other, or dump each other in front of a camera, isn't it? She was part of that, and apparently good at it.
Unfortunately it doesn't stop there. It doesn't stop with the tabloids publishing their usual crap. "Progress" means we have Social Media, where everything can be written without having to take responsibility for the comments.
She was part of that game. She, like K-pop idols, like the contestants, were drawn to the fame/career and the Champagne lifestyle it came with - or so they thought. But the price is much higher than they ever thought it would be.
Jo Cox was murdered by someone who couldn't stop to typing hatred but had to act. But thousands are content enough typing this hatred day in, day out. And the way Social Media works reinforces their opinions, as they will see preferentially 'like-minded' posts.
How many teenagers have committed suicide just because a classmate -or even a perfect unknown - had started to target them? The answer is too many. Their death is sadder because they were younger, with no life experience to help them, but more importantly because they were not looking for exposure. Unlike the contestants, and unlike CF.
So yes, mental health issues come in many different guise. But that sort of show will bring out the most hard core reaction in SM. The usual saying is 'If you can take the heat, get out of the kitchen". The problem is, with mental health, you don't know you can't take the heat until is too late.
For the rest, I hope that all those who lament her death will concentrate on donating to Samaritans, calling those of their loved ones who they haven't spoken to for a long time, or who they know are at risk, instead or joining the flow of mourners who only mourn her because she was in the public eye, unlike the other ca 800 other persons who committed suicide this year.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Well put.
Great post Marc.
People seem to be all too easy to post awful/hateful comments on SM 'because it's only the internet'.
It's much bigger than that.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Thats the funniest/most ironic thing I've read on the internet all week!
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
You may as well posted that about this forum.
It's rather surprising that we have some here wringing their hands about awful, hateful, vindictive posts that target people on the internet, when they have been guilty of exactly the same offence. Doh!
That said, blaming the media/internet trolls is just lazy IMHO, simply because suicides existed long before both, and perhaps why in some cultures is it considered a noble exit strategy where as others view it as illegal or a deathly sin. Even today we consider some suicides to be honourable sacrifices where as others are tragedies with all points in between.
Personally speaking (I am aware of two suicides in my family), the root cause seems to be that the victims simply lose all hope that life (as they knew/know it) will ever improve and therefore see zero reason to continue the struggle.
Maybe the media/internet trolls are enablers, but they are not a cause. The cause is much deeper, more personal and therefore much more complex. But perhaps if people stopped fixating on the negative and started to promote the positive and offered more hope, then suicides numbers might decrease.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Shocking news, RIP Caroline.
Shocked and saddened , RIP Caroline .
Yes what a shame, R.I.P.
Gregory, do you ever wonder if on some level our value system/ definition of success and perhaps even what qualifies as entertainment, might be a little out of whack at all...
I think that is a given. Especially here on a watch forum which applauds the ownership of Rolex, PP etc...
While I would agree that it is sad that anyone, let alone a person that seemed to have a lot of privilege (money, successful career etc) should feel that they would rather end their life than continue the daily struggle, just remember that we all see the world through our own eyes. Not everyone has a strong will to survive or even holds life in as much importance as many.
RIP CF
"tis a fleeting thing this life. How beautiful it would be to be able to live it how we liked, and to end it at our behest"
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Social media and its reality show bedfellow seem to be mercilessly cruel. Very sad indeed.
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Very sad - far too young
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RIP Caroline, hopefully you will find peace now. I feel bad reading all the trial by press stuff about you over the last few months.
Just horrendous. Never really liked nor disliked her, but IMO social media has far too much to play in these horrendous deaths.
The way we live now is just chaos and I’m saying that as a 41 year old.
RIP
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