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    Last edited by ditchvisitor; 14th February 2020 at 10:55.

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    Linky no worky

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcleminson View Post
    Linky no worky
    Linky now worky

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    I'm sure Haywood will be along shortly to pass judgement. To me the hands look like they have been tampered with and not sure about the 5517 engraved into the lug, but of course that could be a marker for those who know their Milsubs.

    I think any Milsub offered for sale is always treated with suspicion.

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    Is this not the same chap who has had a few dodgy pieces and been called out on here a Tudor Monte Carlo springs to mind??

    I'm pretty sure he was based in Bungay as is this seller

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    This is Bob’s number, 07799778746 I will be sending him a quick text message to say that many people are aware of his dodgy dealings and I have reported the item to eBay.

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    Great photos Bob. 100% legit I’m sure.

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    If it was real and the owner truly believed it was real, then offering it on eBay is not really the best sales platform for a watch that could go into six plus figures.

    How he still has 100% feedback and hasn't met the wrong person in his dodgy dealings is beyond me..

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    The pictures are awful
    But the minute hand looks to be the wrong shape
    The dial is not right nor is the bezel insert
    The engraving on the case back does not look correct either,

    I have now reported it.
    Last edited by Sinnlover; 14th February 2020 at 11:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ditchvisitor View Post
    Linky now worky
    :))

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyR View Post
    Is this not the same chap who has had a few dodgy pieces and been called out on here a Tudor Monte Carlo springs to mind??

    I'm pretty sure he was based in Bungay as is this seller
    If this is the same guy, can criminal action not be taken against him for repeated deceptions used to try and obtain money from unsuspecting buyers (some people on here should pay attention). I’m sure there must be some laws to protect against those who plan and then try to carry out these frauds.
    It's just a matter of time...

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    "Firstly I have taken this Rolex to a main dealer and has checked it out all ok"

    Of course you have Bob - would have thought he'd learnt his lesson after the last time he was called out on TZ.
    Didn't he even make a guest appearance on the forum to defend his name!

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    Just sent this to him on eBay:

    Bob, you antics of selling dodgy watches and trying to rip people off are well known across many watch forums, if you honestly thought this was a real Milsub you wouldn’t be selling it on eBay and certainly not for £25K, the hands are wrong, bezel is wrong, the case back is wrong etc etc. Many people have already reported this to eBay and it’s being discussed on a number of forums.

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    I have spoken with Mr. Long.

    It was deeply unpleasant.

    He says that the watch will be removed from sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    I have spoken with Mr. Long.

    It was deeply unpleasant.

    He says that the watch will be removed from sale.
    The only time this guy removes something from sale is when its sold, he may take it down from eBay but he'll sure as hell try and sell it somewhere else..

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    I've just received this strange text message sent to one of our land-lines, which BT have converted into artificial speech. I'm sure the mobile number quoted at the start is familiar. Bear with the slow start, as it's only 53 seconds LONG.

    https://clyp.it/f3whdhlw

    Beware "scowersers."

    Astonishing. Could be worthy of a Humbert & Ellis medal !
    Last edited by Haywood_Milton; 14th February 2020 at 13:16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    I've just received this strange text message sent to one of our land-lines, which BT have converted into artificial speech. Bear with the slow start, as it's only 53 seconds LONG. I'm sure the mobile number quoted at the start is familiar.

    https://clyp.it/f3whdhlw

    Bewildering.
    "My Dad told me to be careful of scousers" well there is threat! He's all bluster, If it was a legit watch he wouldnt need to take it down as the provenience would back up his listing.

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    Beware "scowersers."

    Fabulous!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    I've just received this strange text message sent to one of our land-lines, which BT have converted into artificial speech. I'm sure the mobile number quoted at the start is familiar. Bear with the slow start, as it's only 53 seconds LONG.

    https://clyp.it/f3whdhlw

    Beware "scowersers."

    Astonishing. Could be worthy of a Humbert & Ellis medal !
    That's brilliant! Was it BT's translation that made it 'scowersers'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    That's brilliant! Was it BT's translation that made it 'scowersers'
    Possibly, but one wonders with the benefit of hindsight if some different paternal guidance might have proved more useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    Possibly, but one wonders with the benefit of hindsight if some different paternal guidance might have proved more useful.
    Poor departed Papa Long (wipes tear from corner of eye)

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    Out and out, repeat offending con man from my limited readings online, and as such looks like he deserves to be locked away to protect any innocent parties - only I wouldn’t want any state money being paid to feed and support someone like that.
    It's just a matter of time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegamanic View Post
    Out and out, repeat offending con man from my limited readings online, and as such looks like he deserves to be locked away to protect any innocent parties - only I wouldn’t want any state money being paid to feed and support someone like that.
    When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........

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    I just received this absolute ‘little gem’



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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegamanic View Post
    Out and out, repeat offending con man from my limited readings online, and as such looks like he deserves to be locked away to protect any innocent parties - only I wouldn’t want any state money being paid to feed and support someone like that.
    Not to worry, one day he will cross with someone with not much sense, loads of cash and an eye-for-an-eye way of dealing with things....

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    He is NOT a pawnbroker any more and I do not accept his definition of the trade, albeit that it may indeed apply to him.

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    Are we talking of bob long or Bungay Norfolk the guy who sells the dodgy Rolex and Tudor watches ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    Are we talking of bob long or Bungay Norfolk the guy who sells the dodgy Rolex and Tudor watches ?
    The one and same - you missed out dubious provenance cars too, from a quick Google search.
    It's just a matter of time...

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    You guys aren't suggesting there's a



    here, are you ?

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    What a comic, back to the watch, although images were poor was it a complete fake, major franken or minor franken of a 5517/13?

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    The watch shown at least bore significant parts and features that were not correct for a military issue Rolex.

    That "5517" on the underside of a lug was one problem and these images (from my genuine examples) illustrate inter alia how far the hour hand should extend towards the quarter indices :



    Last edited by Haywood_Milton; 15th February 2020 at 01:46.

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    I know he’s sold fakes and told pork pies before but I’ve got no reason to not believe him this time. After all his Rolex main dealer has checked it out and given it the ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    I know he’s sold fakes and told pork pies before but I’ve got no reason to not believe him this time. After all his Rolex main dealer has checked it out and given it the ok.
    Are you on the wind up again? How many Rolex dealers are capable of legitimising a watch of this heritage, very very few is the answer..

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    ^^ maybe sarcasm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ditchvisitor View Post
    I just received this absolute ‘little gem’


    Is he offering you out for a bout of fisticuffs? Be a good scowerser and give him a Kirkby kiss

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    Quote Originally Posted by seadog1408 View Post
    ^^ maybe sarcasm?
    That's what I thought had it been anyone else

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    Are you on the wind up again? How many Rolex dealers are capable of legitimising a watch of this heritage, very very few is the answer..
    Deary me

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    'Still for sale', according to littlegems121.

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    I replied to him with the following, will see what he responds with!!


    New message to: littlegems121
    Bob,

    Don’t try and bullshit, we all know what you are, if you wanted reminding there’s the small issue of the court case involving the totally fake Monte Carlo and then trying to flog the very same watch on to another unsuspecting buyer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    'Still for sale', according to littlegems121.
    Only four items showing now, Gibson guitar, what looks to be a Trabat car, distributor and car spa.

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    I've asked for opinions on the authenticity of the Gibson guitar on a forum I frequent.

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    Having been in a Trabant once I feel quite sure than any non standard parts will be an improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerard View Post
    Only four items showing now, Gibson guitar, what looks to be a Trabat car, distributor and car spa.

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    I sent a message and asked, he replied that it was still for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    I sent a message and asked, he replied that it was still for sale.
    To be clear, are you saying that Robert Long is still offering for sale the watch which looked a bit like a military issue Rolex Submariner that was on eBay until some of the incorrect elements were pointed out to him?

    If so, vital questions would be :

    How is he describing it?

    How much is he asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton View Post
    To be clear, are you saying that Robert Long is still offering for sale the watch which looked a bit like a military issue Rolex Submariner that was on eBay until some of the incorrect elements were pointed out to him?

    If so, vital questions would be :

    How is he describing it?

    How much is he asking?
    I only asked if the item was still available and he said yes. I suppose that means he stands by his description...?

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    What a charmless nerk! I see neither his manners nor his personality have improved since he was last a subject of discussion on the forum.
    Just in case his eBay listing is ever completely removed, here is his "Milsub."














    "SAS ORIGIN"

    Last edited by dkpw; 15th February 2020 at 18:09.

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    Looks like a child as been let loose with some yellow paint on them hands


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    Excellent response Bob...



    So it turns out Bob thinks he’s never been to court over a watch.... is Bob telling Porkies again....

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