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    Finding out about TA service, have I uncovered a Walt?

    As this is a public forum I can't go into too many details but I had heard that a work colleague previously told one of the ladies he had been in the SAS. Yeah, right.

    Anyway, the same guy told me on Monday that he had been in the TA. Bear in mind he's quite a senior figure. Can't say anymore than that.

    Now, on the face of it, I wouldn't have thought it's so easy to be in the TA in education. Industry - yes - I have worked with colleagues in the TA in industry.

    Next, there's no iconography or symbology, old regimental memorabilia, mats, T shirts, etc, and there's been no involvement over the years in the Armistice Day events we've done. Nothing. Just out of the blue "when I was in the TA".

    £1 says he's lying. I'm thinking there must be some public record of TA service. Anyone got any links or websites I can investigate further?

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    Possibly meant "Teaching Assistants"?

    Doubtful he meant anything else other than the SAS we're assuming it is...unless he meant "slimy and sneaky".

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    I know ďstolen valourĒ is taken very seriously in the US but as someone who has done 17 years in the military, I think Iíd just be inclined to just ignore a fantasist.

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    If these potential Walt had seen service in the Regiment he would generally speaking not tell / brag about it. I know guy's who have served and 9 / 10 time's they will always tell you what badge they initially signed up to serve with. There is an SAS page on Facebook, someone on there will be able to say whether or not this guy is legitimate.

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    Teachers Association maybe? I can imagine it might feel the same for someone with an active imagination.

    I have a few friends, and many work colleagues and associates over the years who have served - it's always a mix of who talks about a lot about their time and those that don't. A couple of people that I no longer work with were particularly vocal, but then they had each been discharged.
    It's just a matter of time...

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    Yes it does, thanks. As he didn't tell me specifically he was in the SAS I'll take that as a funny anecdote but for a short while I taught at Blandford Camp, the Signals Regiment, and personally I think anyone who has served in the military (I haven't) should be treated with more respect than to pretend you've served as well. That's all.

    All your comments are well received though.

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    Finding out about TA service, have I uncovered a Walt?

    Quote Originally Posted by catch21 View Post
    Yes it does, thanks. As he didn't tell me specifically he was in the SAS I'll take that as a funny anecdote but for a short while I taught at Blandford Camp, the Signals Regiment, and personally I think anyone who has served in the military (I haven't) should be treated with more respect than to pretend you've served as well. That's all.

    All your comments are well received though.
    What were you doing at Blandford, and when? I might know you

    Just ignore it, bit weird diving into if heííís not pacing around in a beret and chest-full of medals and itíís causing probs.
    There are loads of walts about. If he references the TA again just ask him directly about it and if it starts to bleed into your working relationship, choose how awkward you want to make it by possibly finding out heí a blagger.

    Forget the SAS thing, god forbid anyone overheard me trying to chat up someone...... Pinocchio would be put to shame. Am sure Iíve been my fair share of vulcanologist, pilot, astronaut or whatever!

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    There is a TA SF recon component I believe (21st and 23rd SAS?) so the 2 things he says are not mutually exclusive but then he is probably full of crap since I would imagine anyone who has served in such a capacity doesn't go round gobbing off about it.
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    The TA are sometimes known as the SASS, the Saturday and Sunday Soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundrush View Post
    The TA are sometimes known as the SASS, the Saturday and Sunday Soldiers.
    This guy could have said he was ex SWAT. S ome W eekends A nd T uesdays.

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    I was, what was known as, a Burnham Lecturer there 2001/2002 sort of time. Teaching construction of IT networks and Unix.

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    Iím sure I remember reading/hearing that Bear Grylls was in the SAS TA, which stuck me as odd at the time, surely thereís no such thing? - and surely he canít have been in either?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Padders View Post
    There is a TA SF recon component I believe (21st and 23rd SAS?) so the 2 things he says are not mutually exclusive but then he is probably full of crap since I would imagine anyone who has served in such a capacity doesn't go round gobbing off about it.
    This is true; he could have been in 23 group - he would have had plenty of time off as part of his job as a teacher :-) Does he live around Brum ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hogthrob View Post
    Ask him what's the colour of the boathouse at Hereford?
    Watched that recently. Amazing how Sean Bean became a movie star. The whole movie he looked like he was in the wrong movie and train spotting was on the set next door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Watched that recently. Amazing how Sean Bean became a movie star. The whole movie he looked like he was in the wrong movie and train spotting was on the set next door.
    I thought he played the part really well :-) One the rare movies where he doesn't die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogthrob View Post
    I thought he played the part really well :-) One the rare movies where he doesn't die.
    He did play it well but I was mainly shocked how someone who looked like an absurd junkie got a part in a major movie. Just didn't "look" like a star. Very good as a 00 and in GoT. The football movie about Sheffield Wednesday was superb.

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    OK, I see what you mean now. Fun fact, Golden Eye was released three years before Ronin.

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    Ha, I had no idea. That'll teach me. While watching Ronin (about 2 weeks ago) I wrongly assumed this must have been his break out film or at least one of the early ones.

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    Cant you trip up the liars with questions about what brand of boots were they given, what calibre rifle rounds did they carry, how many rounds did they carry at one time. Just basic questions that you cant answer on the spot if you never went through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    I’m sure I remember reading/hearing that Bear Grylls was in the SAS TA, which stuck me as odd at the time, surely there’s no such thing? - and surely he can’t have been in either?


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    There are definitely reservist UKSF units. When I was a QARANC Nurse in a TA Field Hospital, (most of the Army Field Hospitals were reservist rather than regular.) one of the medics tried selection, several hardcore training weekends later, he dropped out due to injury.

    While most of our unit were specialist background, Nurses, doctors etc. Our 2IC was an Accountant, so I suppose a Teacher could find a role in some sort of reservist unit. Albeit not related to their day job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Watched that recently. Amazing how Sean Bean became a movie star. The whole movie he looked like he was in the wrong movie and train spotting was on the set next door.
    I thought it was deliberate and inspired casting - he was meant to look like a nervous Walt, which in fairness he did.


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    No reason why a teacher canít serve in the TA - commitments are evenings, weekends and a week or two in the summer. In fact probably ideal....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100thmonkey View Post
    I was permanent staff at Kingslanding
    Must have been a long old slog to work.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by ditchvisitor View Post
    Must have been a long old slog to work.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalMass View Post
    No reason why a teacher canít serve in the TA - commitments are evenings, weekends and a week or two in the summer. In fact probably ideal....
    Ok thanks, well I'm happy to stand corrected on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    Iím sure I remember reading/hearing that Bear Grylls was in the SAS TA, which stuck me as odd at the time, surely thereís no such thing? - and surely he canít have been in either?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artists_Rifles

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_S...ment_(Reserve)

    As for Mr Grylls involvement, I think that it might have stretched as far as attempting selection. I stand corrected. He was in the Artists Rifles for a bit: https://mpora.com/camping/bear-grylls-really-sas/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ditchvisitor View Post
    Must have been a long old slog to work.....

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    SAS (saturdays and sundays) and weekend warriors were pisstake names for the TA in my area - maybe he was just using it in that context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugster View Post
    SAS (saturdays and sundays) and weekend warriors were pisstake names for the TA in my area - maybe he was just using it in that context.
    Sounds v plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch21 View Post
    As this is a public forum I can't go into too many details but I had heard that a work colleague previously told one of the ladies he had been in the SAS. Yeah, right.

    Anyway, the same guy told me on Monday that he had been in the TA. Bear in mind he's quite a senior figure. Can't say anymore than that.

    Now, on the face of it, I wouldn't have thought it's so easy to be in the TA in education. Industry - yes - I have worked with colleagues in the TA in industry.

    Next, there's no iconography or symbology, old regimental memorabilia, mats, T shirts, etc, and there's been no involvement over the years in the Armistice Day events we've done. Nothing. Just out of the blue "when I was in the TA".

    £1 says he's lying. I'm thinking there must be some public record of TA service. Anyone got any links or websites I can investigate further?
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    I worked with a guy who was TA, either 21 or 23 SAS, can't remember which. He knew I was ex army, the guy wasn't bullshi**ing someone who wouldn't be able to spot it. Sometimes it's real. Personally I'd feel more of a tit trying to make the guy prove it.

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    I think Chris Ryan went into 23 Rgt as a stab then transferred into 22 as a regular.



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    According to Wikipedia, Lewis Collins that guy who appeared in The Professionala was in the TA (a parachute battalion) in the late 70s and early 80s. He applied to join the 'Teritorial SAS' but was rejected due to his celebrity status.

    I read this a couple of months ago and was surprised at the TA - SAS reference. I didn't realise that such specialist services operated on a part time basis. I am guessing that you already need to be in one of the mainstream sections of the TA so its more of a transfer arrangement.

    When I worked in the NHS I was asked by a number of people whether I was in the TA. This was not due to my Alpha Male persona and combat readiness as demonstrated by some deft bandaging but by the fact I'd had a vasectomy. TA = shooting blanks. Sarky buggers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    According to Wikipedia, Lewis Collins that guy who appeared in The Professionala was in the TA (a parachute battalion) in the late 70s and early 80s. He applied to join the 'Teritorial SAS' but was rejected due to his celebrity status.
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    I always thought he should've been Bond, replacing Moore after Moonraker. Having seen a few old professionals episodes recently, I'm even more convinced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    According to Wikipedia, Lewis Collins that guy who appeared in The Professionals was in the TA (a parachute battalion) in the late 70s and early 80s. He applied to join the 'Teritorial SAS' but was rejected due to his celebrity status...
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    21st SAS used to have a base in Manchester going back around 15-20 years ago now (maybe longer) that was reservist or TA I went to a party there with some friends whoíd joined after leaving the regs not sure if itís still there. So 100% there is a TA SAS also a reservist Royal Marines with an SBS attachment too or at least there used to be. He may well have served in TA many moons ago maybe when a student who knows Iím not sure what the issue is and Iíd be very worried if you could just look up an ex serviceman history on google leaving them potential targets for ira or others.

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    The TA SAS also had a training base in Birmingham back in the 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brummie64 View Post
    The TA SAS also had a training base in Birmingham back in the 80s.

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    They still do if Wiki is to be believed. 23rd SAS (R) hq is in Kingstanding hence the earlier comments about there. 21st SAS (R) hq is next to Regent's Park.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artists_Rifles

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_Spe...ment_(Reserve)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padders View Post
    They still do if Wiki is to be believed. 23rd SAS (R) hq is in Kingstanding hence the earlier comments about there. 21st SAS (R) hq is next to Regent's Park.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artists_Rifles

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_Spe...ment_(Reserve)
    Missed that Padders apologies. My eyes are not as young as they were.

    I lived over in Kingstanding many moons ago and never understood what it was for many years.

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    Was also common to refer to TA members as the SAS, standing for Saturday And Sunday, soldiers


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    Quote Originally Posted by stefmcd View Post
    I always thought he should've been Bond, replacing Moore after Moonraker. Having seen a few old professionals episodes recently, I'm even more convinced.

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    I think that he auditioned for the part.

    I agree, he would have made a good 007.

    He was an interesting character. Aside from the macho stuff he was also a musician and liked art.


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    there was a column in the Guardian some years back of embarrassing dinner party moments that readers had had and one of the letters was about a dinner where the hostess recounted how before her marriage her husband was often away as he was in the SAS. One of the guests then started asking questions to the host about his time in the Regt - dates of service, certain people etc. Of course the questioner had in fact been in the Regiment and the dinner dissolved into an embarrassment that the host had clearly lied (and what had he been doing)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    I think that he auditioned for the part.

    I agree, he would have made a good 007.

    He was an interesting character. Aside from the macho stuff he was also a musician and liked art.
    He was in The Mojos in the '60's.
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