I imagine a deal was done with Liberty for them to cover the costs. But I don’t know.Originally Posted by jaytip
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This. There are already enough gimmicks with DRS and push to pass, leave the other artificial advantages to the lesser classes. If Mercedes are dominant and turning it into a procession then that's the fault of the other teams for not building a car that can compete. Yes, it can be boring at times, but it's always been that way for as long as I can remember.
The powers that be have never let the dominance go on for this long before, in the past they have always meddled before it's got this bad. From what has been said, Ross Brawn really doesn't want to meddle this time, because of what the FIA did to him when he was at Ferrari. But I think most enough is enough, and if you take to cassual fans, most people have given up following it.
This race is one of the worse I've seen, not only is there is noting going on at the front, but this time there is nothing going on in the field even.
What a dull race
I was thinking the same. Uneventful today...until the last three laps!
Fastest car won.................just
And next week the softs are the mediums
Jeeesuuus, what an end to that race !!
Tires really tried to save the race. If only Red Bull didn't pit :(
Did Croft shouting wake you up?
OMG! And F1 is boring.
I think someone will be having words with Pirelli.
You have to feel for Bottas and Saintz but stuff happens. Great drive by Ocon and Danny. Even Albon did well, but once again managed to have an accident. CLC did nothing wrong, but not a lot right, except out perform Vettel. Redbull scoring an own goal by stopping Max for new tyres, but a solid podium. Norris did well, but he has to get his starts sorted out.
So once again we saw LH manage the start, manage the restarts, manage Bottas and manage the last lap on 3 tires. Just another boring day in the office.
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To be honest, the battle between Grosjean (idiot!), DR, LAS and EO, then the McLaren was quite good. So yes, it is clear that when all goes well the MB are head and shoulders above the rest, RB are lucky to have MV and F to have CLC, who are scoring more than their cars are worth...
It would have been a very boring race if the cameras had focussed and the first 2/3 cars but as it was I found it entertaining.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
It was until the end
Why should they, tyres were a big issue Here in the lower formulas, the teams could have stopped twice
F1 is boring as heck at the moment, just because there are some dodgy tires it doesn't make an interesting race.
The start was a joke, it's obvious to anyone that Bottas isn't allowed to challenge the No.1 driver.
The Merceded Engine is so much better than anythin else, I hope the FIA look at it in order to close up the performance of the power units.
I wonder what happened to Stroll, he was doing quite well until his car just seem to stop working right.
Well done to Charles, it's a good as he could do in that aweful car, also Max, as good as his car will allow. Alos well done Mercedes, I suppose, building a car that has such an advanatge that it can win while doing a lap on 3 wheels.
Boring as heck race, and Silverstone normally produces a good race. I hope the new rules allow closer racing.
If anyone wants to watch actual racing, British GT is also this weekend, and.... shock horror... teammate are allowed to race each other
https://youtu.be/aVIZBA1SWQY
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Silverstone is notoriously abrasive, and the load on the left front tyre at Copse is the second highest of the year, behind only Turn 3 at Barcelona, with Stowe also putting a high load through the same tyre. Pirelli have always supplied their hardest compounds for Silverstone.
Right now, the major concern is that Pirelli are supplying tyres for next weekend which are a step softer, so this weekend's "hard", which is the hardest of the five compounds available, will not be used, and this weekend's "medium" will be the hardest compound available. Next weekend's race is looking like a two-stopper, and if there are no Safety Car interventions, possibly a three-stop.
Pirelli are not at fault or to blame in any way over the tyre failures, it's up to the teams to manage them.
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Given you are so sure that Lewis and Bottas are not allowed to race and Bottas isn’t allowed to challenge Hamilton then you must have lots of evidence which you can share. So share it!
But to be honest the only racing you are interesting in watching is one where LH loses, preferably to MV. Alas I think you are going to be disappointed unless MV, Redbull, and the rest of the grid get competitive.
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Pirelli told the teams they were good for 40 laps (it wasn’t as if the track temps were that high). Had they said they were good for 35 laps then I am sure adjustments could have been made by all teams.
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The teams have the tools to monitor tyre pressure, temperatures, slip angles, etc. They don't just take Pirelli's word for how many laps they should last, because it's just an indication.
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What is the point of Romain Grosjean? Surely he won't have a race seat next year.
Chairman of the GPDA as well, must have some interesting conversations
I think it's time up for both Haas drivers, get in some new blood and start work on the 2022 car.
On some of the other drivers, I thought both McLaren drivers did well, Danny Ric was great as always, and Gasly had a good drive. Even Albon recovered well.
One bright point is that it looks like there is some decent young drivers coming up in F1.
I wonder how much (If any) the DAS affected the delamination of the tyres on the Mercs.
I suspect that you're not the only one thinking this. Carlos Sainz was the only other driver to have a front left tyre failure, and it's likely that the Mercedes cars, being faster than the McLarens, put more demand on their tyres, but for both Mercedes to suffer apparently identical failures does raise the question about DAS.
Only Mercedes will know if the drivers were using the system.
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Here's a thought: when Mercedes introduced the DAS system, 'specialists' announced that -among things- it would benefit the lifespan of the front tyres (less friction and so on). What happened? Is is DAS related or...
EDIT: I just spotted Guido_K.'s posting.
All true, however Pirelli would have spend hours testing the compound on multiple surfaces at multiple temps so surely they have a greater insight than the teams, especially given the lack of testing they are able to do. Also isn’t it true that it’s Pirelli who sets the minimum and maximum pressures to be used.
Not sure about you, but if a tyre manufacturer tells you the limits of your tyres you would be silly not to trust them. Plus I bet you select the tires for your car based upon the manufacturers data - which you trust.
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I just read MV's comment in a Dutch online newspaper telling that his front-left tyre had the same problems as the other cars. His comment is that the tyre change didn't cost him the first place, but that it saved him from a DNF!
That also answers my previous 'DAS: y/n?' question.
With the 'one compound softer' rule for next week, there's a lot of strategy and planning ahead for the teams. On top of that: the Meteo forecasts a warmer day next Sunday.
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Was it just me or my failing eyesight but did Lewis start outside his grid box ?
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No, but he did start as far over as possible within his grid box.
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Great result for Lewis - tough on tyres for Mercedes (clearly!).
Unlike some, I do enjoy the level of performance and engineering that Mercedes have achieved - the wins are well deserved, and Hamilton is part of that equation.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Best just to ignore the troll and hopefully he'll slither back into his hole.
Just got round to watching the race. Kind of a mixed bag really. Good battle for the minor points places in the first half of the race then not a lot going on until the crazy last couple of laps.
Why on earth didn't Mercedes call Lewis into the pits after Bottas's tyre failure and Max's pitstop?? Surely a massive error that almost cost Lewis the win? Both Mercedes could've ended up out of the points.
I can't remember the winning car ever crossing the line with a catastrophic tyre failure (or any other major failure) before?
I could be wrong but I think one of the commentators said that Pirelli claimed the hards were good for 40 laps. Weren’t Bottas’ and Hamilton’s tyres older than that?
I don't know about about one of the commentators saying it but some one else certainly did.R
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No, it was definitely mentioned during the race. It was talked about when the second safety car came out.
Tyre dramas aside that wasn't the most thrilling of races, probably down to the early safety car incidents pretty much forcing each team to fit hards and then race to the end - I when I say race, I mean manage. We'll never know of course however had the safety car be called into duty later in the race, if at all, then we could have seen a little more on track action as tyre strategy played out. The weather forecast for next week looks scorchio, couple that with the different compounds that Pirelli will be supplying and it's already a minimum 2-stopper, hopefully this will result in something more thrilling.
Gutted for Hulkenberg, a back-to-back race at the same circuit would have suited him well given his time out of an F1 car so to not even start is crushing. I'd love to be a fly on the wall during Grosjean's next GPDA meeting, he was lucky to get away with just a verbal rather than anything more official, maybe because no contact was ever made. Vettel is questioning why he lacked the pace of his teammate stating something "doesn't stack up", Renault will be hoping for a repeat performance next weekend and Hamilton was voted Driver Of The Day - he wouldn't have been my choice, in a field where no-one really shone I would have picked maybe Ricciardo or even Gasly over the Brit.
Does anyone know why Lewis was presented with 2 trophies on the podium? There were 5 presented in all, for the podium finishers and the constructor yet there was a fifth trophy as well.
And finally, this is an interesting article given we have been discussing Lewis Hamilton's/Mercedes dominance. I don't really support any one driver, or team, over another however I have a lot of time for Daniel Ricciardo, and his comments are absolutely spot on IMO.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...wolff/4847875/
indeed, a 40 lap limit was mentioned, and the first few of those weren't even at race pace. Pirelli are looking into it -
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/p...lures/4848683/
Well-spoken by DR. As always a nice guy with a positive attitude.
The commentator mentioned 40 laps. The race was 52 laps. LH pitted on lap 13 as did VB. No doubt they would have gone longer on the original meds had the safety car not come out.
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It’s interesting that both LH and Pirelli suggested that the problem might have been caused by debris on the track (from Kimi’s car) despite it being the same left front which failed on each cars.
Hopefully they will also look into DK accident, where it looked as if the tire parted ways with the wheel. Actually I think this was more serious than what happened to LH,CS and VB.
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I agree with your first point. I think it pure genius what they did and are doing. I also think that F1 needs to be the place where creative developments are not stiffled by nivellating performance.
That does not change the fact that it does make the championship a bit dull.
You might remember a few years back when Lewis won at Silverstone, he was awarded a Santander logo shaped trophy, to which he replied something along the lines of, “where’s the real one?”.
The Silverstone winners trophy is traditional in that you are awarded the same one each year, so the second one will be the sponsor trophy.
The first one he was presented was the normal trophy, along with constructors, second and third.
The second one was the traditional trophy that’s kept at Silverstone and will have Hamilton’s name engraved on it again.
Looks like he's just about got his wheel on the left hand line, but Lance Stroll (behind CLC), and Ricciardo (behind Stroll) were a similar amount to the right of their boxes. Anyone know the appropriate rule?
Fair enough, on all points. I will say though that it irks me somewhat when people use Mercedes' dominance as a tool to bash the entire sport over the head with. I fully understand why there are those that feel that the championships aren't thrilling however there's a lot more going on than just that.
ETA - that was some siesta you've had!
Thanks guys, I feel like I should have already known that
Well it wasn’t something I knew until it was mentioned after yesterday’s race!Thanks guys, I feel like I should have already known that
...and about anyone being able to win with the Mercedes: Fírst you need to be able to drive that fast. It takes véry special skills and capacities to drive a lot faster than a ´normal´person can react, thínk even. Even among these all very special F1 drivers, not all can drive as fast as the quickest cars car. Never mind the dominance of a brand; the winning driver deserves the title.
Looks like Ferrari have decided to get involved in the Tracing Point debacle
https://the-race.com/formula-1/ferra...tion-from-fia/
I am still hoping to hear what the settlement was between Ferrari and the FIA after there Mid season antics.
But I wonder if Ferrari’s involvement with be taken more seriously than Renaults and if so why?
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Renault lodged a 3rd protest at Silverstone as well, you've got to wonder if these protests would exist if RP weren't looking so competitive. If the FIA have been involved with the gestation period for the RP20 from the start, or at least from a formative stage, then the best the other teams can hope for is a redefining of future regulations rather than a ruling against RP with subsequent reprimand. The comment within that article "outside the spirit of what F1 is" is relatively meaningless versus legalities, the RP20 is either legit or it isn't.
You'll be waiting for a long, long time. As was explained by another poster earlier (WarrenVRS?) whilst it all looked dodgy as whatever was spoken between the FIA and Ferrari shall remain between the two, despite the apparent smoke and mirrors formal protocols were actually kept to.
As for Ferrari throwing their weight into the argument, that shouldn't make any difference. The FIA, as I understand it, are obliged to follow up on a complaint/protest be it from a single team or many, it's not as if any investigation will be more thorough just because another team has voiced their concerns. McLaren's name was also mentioned in that article, that's the first time I've read about them being involved.
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