Fined I thinkOriginally Posted by Andyg
Thanks.
But perhaps that demonstrates the stupidity of the FIA. Grid place penalty for something like failing to slow sufficiently under yellows (a clear safety issue), but a fine for a mechanical/human failure which could have cost a driver their life.
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Not really. It cross threaded, so they had no way if knowing it was loose. And being under the sc, there wasn't sufficient force to dislodge it.
I'm not sure a mechanical failure like that should be penalised.
What is amazing (from my perspective) is that one of LH best performances in the wet was Silverstone in 2008. That’s 12 years ago!! To maintain that level of performance, desire and skill over such a long period is truly remarkable for any sportsman.
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If Kwit Fit failed to fit a wheel correctly to your car, causing you to crash, you (and a judge) might have a different view. Pit crews only have 3 real jobs during a race. Change wheels, replace nose cones and make sure they release cars safely. Surely a fine and a grid place penalty in the next race is more appropriate.
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"The Stewards accept, however, that neither the team, nor the driver had the opportunity to realise that the car was in an unsafe condition and therefore did not stop the car.
"Taking into account these circumstances, a fine of €5000 is appropriate."
I imagine it's the smallest penalty applicable. At the end of the day, failures happen in motorsport. Had they knowingly released him with a loose wheel, the penalty would reflect that. But common sense would suggest that wouldn't happen.
I thought they introduced rules to tether the wheels a while back as wheels were coming loose quite often. I would have thought the penalty would be related to this, as wheels may come off for a number of reasons
Slowing down under yellows is in the control of the driver, the wheel nut isn’t, I think a team fine is more appropriate rather than a driver penalty in this case.
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Jase
I think the tether is there in the case of a accident, it would be hard to change a wheel if they are tethered when the nut comes off.
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Jase
I thought the wheel nuts were modified so that they could not cross thread, they have a long lead in, the wheels have a matching counterbore, they also have an indicator to show they are home, the design was standardised,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8iauvfSHdiQ
Last edited by adrianw; 12th July 2020 at 09:40.
The tether attaches the hub to the chassis so that in the event of an accident and the fragile suspension arms are broken, the whole wheel assembly doesn't detach. They don't keep the wheels on the hub... the wheel nut is supposed to do that.
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Good point, and yes seems they are connected to the hub assembly - introduced in 1998. Don’t know where that time went!
Googling 'F1 cross threaded' finds plenty of other examples.
It could also be a very convenient excuse,
As a side note, standardising the nuts, guns and use of air would seem to be a very obvious way of saving a lot of money if this article is still correct.
http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/w...wheel_nut.html
Still amazes me how red bull did it under 2 seconds. Unreal stuff.
Apparently this is or was under discussion (in 2019 for the 2021 regs...link):
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Related to the brakes, another spec part put forward are the axles and wheel nuts. The FIA has been clever to limit this to the rotating assembly, rather than the upright that the axle sits within, as this latter part has huge influence of the suspension geometry and thus on the car’s handling, clearly an area teams will still want to have freedom over.
The axle with its wheelnut, plus presumably its bearings and the ‘bell’ that connects the axle to the brake disc, can easily be spec parts. Perhaps these parts may be made by the proposed brake supplier, as the interface between brake disc and axle is a safety critical factor.
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Going back to the wheel nuts, one rather surprising area for spec parts is in pit stop equipment as both the wheel guns, jacks and pit gantry are suggested to be of the same spec for all teams. Most teams already buy the base wheel guns from the same supplier, Paoli, but then modify and tune the guns to suit their needs. This added development speeds up pitstops, so it’s a clear performance differentiator for a team. Conversely, the jacks are designed by each team and the front jacks especially are hugely complex, semi-automated machines. The tech varies by team, but it’s no surprise that the top three teams pit stop tech is a clear step ahead of the midfield teams. So, with spec wheel nuts, wheel guns and jacks, the quickest pitstop times will be purely down to human endeavor as the mechanics do their work in the race. This might be an attractive idea, rather than the stop being down to who has the most development money!
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Does anyone know the outcome, please?
I read in the week that the potential critical gearbox Failure was a loose connector, it’s a shame that they don’t have to prove this stuff, latched connectors of the type they use don’t come apart
I read (can't find the article) that it was due to 2 parts of the loom being shaken to the point of getting too close together, and creating electric interference.
I’ve made loons for modern F1 cars, they are Inventing a story for some reason, the looms are tested to death and couldn’t suffer from EMC and would not be susceptible to radiated emissions.
So what excuse do Ferrari come up with for Leclerc driving into Vettel
I am more surprised to still see unsafe release where there is clearly a car driving down the pit lane and they very nearly smash into each other.
I remember seeing that god knows how many decades ago and am amazed to see it in 2020.
Oh you really couldn’t make it.
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No investigation into the Ferrari incident. So no penalty points either. LH get two points for his accident with Albon CFC gets nothing for taking out his team mate.
Crazy times!
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It’s still FIA
Mmm, doesn’t seem to be any consistency here.
They changed the rules so they can use the full width of the lane iirc
I just won a Bet, when Binotto Was interview he blamed the car and not CLC
How the hell was it the cars fault. Did it suddenly become wider.
Nice easy drive by Lewis and VB. Max did the best he could. Albon appeared to straighten his line a fraction to soon on SP, in an incident which looked very similar to his accident last week. Luckily for him he got away with it. Subject to whatever the stewards decide.
Norris is becoming a bit of a monster
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Hamilton cruised off into the distance, it wasn’t quite as easy for Bottas but he got there.
The Tracing Points were flying again showing their new found speed
Nando still third in the championship With another great drive.
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Congrats to Mercedes, as they said, an easy win in a dominate car.
They are going to win this and next years championships so easily it might be over at the half way point. Fingers cross there will be at least some decent races along the way.
Radiated emissions from the loons causing electrical interference! :)
Another borefest....................
Good interviews post race.
Lando on a high...Seb cheerful if frustrated...Charles apologetic and contrite.
On to next weekend...
Finally, someone had to https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.m...-legality/amp/
Why not. Everyone else is doing it.
Such a shame that RP got all their designs signed off by the FIA before the start of the season.
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Just stop watching it and commenting?
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Vettel is currently driving and talking himself out of a top tier contract IMO.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
There are rumours that Red Bull want him back
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I am puzzled why, given his performance over the last year or so and his media presence. He seems to be of the view that nothing is his fault.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Ted said in the notebook that paddock rumour has it that Deitrich Matteschitz has told Helmut Marco to bring Vettel home
Although I like Albon, he was miles off Max today. Maybe vettel to replace Albon?
Very good!
The top 3 could have been predicted if that's what you mean because you sure didn't mean everything else.
It'll be thrown out.
I watched all of Sky's race coverage and I'm now watching C4's highlights, Christian Horner made it crystal clear when speaking to Steve Jones that Vettel wouldn't be returning and it didn't sound like he was bluffing either. Albon aside, I'd love to see it happen, if only for the drama that would ensue. Vettel and Vestappen in the same team? RB found it difficult enough with Webber and Vettel.
Talking of Albon... Compare each driver with their teammate in this weekend's race. Each driver was broadly similar to the other with the exception of Verstappen and Albon, there was an 11sec gap between the two and that was with an additional stop for the Dutchman. Last weekend the performance gap wasn't so apparent, I hope for Albon to be closer in Hungry as I'm not so sure that today was representative of his ability - Max has him covered, but not by that much.
Last edited by CardShark; 12th July 2020 at 23:02.
I didn't catch Ted's Notebook, unfortunately. As I said above, CH was adamant that Vettel wouldn't be returning, though the fireworks would be awesome if he did.
Dietrich Mateschitz Was there today and Vettel was seen with him, Ted did say it was a rumour
Perhaps Vettel will replace Kimi or get a seat at Haas.
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Pretty exciting last lap.
Andy
Wanted - Damasko DC57
If the billionaire wants it to happen nothing the team can do, he pays the bills?
Him & Seb have always been very close.
Interesting that it's a totally speculative protest. If they open up the brake ducts and find the same design, I suspect racing point may well be in a lot of bother
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