Telling teenage child about close family member suicide

[gcleminson]

Sorry for the grim post but we had a call this morning from my wife's family and my wife's brother has killed himself. He leaves behind two very young kids. My wife's gone over there to be with the family.

We have a 13yr daughter who was extremely close to her uncle, and she is like something of an older sister to her two much younger cousins.

I've just spoken with my wife and the family are proposing to tell ALL the kids (our daughter included) that he had an accident and fell down the stairs. I feel very strongly this is the wrong thing to tell our daughter because she will find out the truth - she is way too smart and will work it out for herself. The family aren't in a position to be thinking rationally right now but there's no way that secret could be kept. I'm not sure I want our daughter knowing how exactly it happened though. How do you tell half a truth?

I do not want to be adding to this terrible situation though or causing more stress for my wife.

All our daughter knows for now, as she was waking as my wife left, is that 'mum's gone over (couple of hours away) because grandad was trying to get in touch, and he and nanny have been quite ill this week (true) so she's gone to see if everything's ok.'

Our daughter spent a lot of time with him over the Christmas period and had a couple of very apologetic texts from him only yesterday about a Christmas present that had never turned up. Also as I'm typing this it's occurred that if his kids are told it was an accident but my daughter told the truth, that in itself would be a terrible burden on her.

I'm at a loss how to deal with this.

[seadog1408]

Difficult situation, I might be tempted to tell your daughter the truth and explain that his kids are too young for the truth so don't tell them.

[g40steve]

Not easy, but in this day social media will probably be ahead of you for the older children.

[gcleminson]

She will ask how he did it and I do not want her to know that. I'm not sure how to navigate that without her feeling angry and excluded.

[RAFF]

She will ask how he did it and I do not want her to know that. I'm not sure how to navigate that without her feeling angry and excluded.

She’ll feel a lot more angry and excluded if you tell her it was an accident. PM me if you’d like to talk.


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[Ventura]

Really sorry to hear this. Nobody truly knows what goes on in another person's mind. However close we may be to them. RIP.

[gcleminson]

She’ll feel a lot more angry and excluded if you tell her it was an accident. PM me if you’d like to talk.


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Thanks RAFF. I'm not going to tell her it was an accident, but I don't want to do anything to cause the family any more hurt than they are already in by going agaibnst their wishes, even if they're wrong.

I may do as suggested and when she asks (she will of course) tell her we don't need to know or think about the how. As to the why, I can't even begin to fathom.

[monogroover]

So sad to hear this. My own thoughts FWIW are that the truth would be better for all of the kids, but not necessarily right now.

[M4tt]

Difficult situation, I might be tempted to tell your daughter the truth and explain that his kids are too young for the truth so don't tell them.

I agree with Seadog - Honest is best - things like this are not just what happens now but also how they are perceived and felt in the future. Younger children do need to be protected until old enough to understand, but at thirteen, not telling her will probably just make it harder in the long term. I would however, think hard about how to handle her follow up questions.

You can either say you don't know yet or, again, be honest and tell her you are not going to tell her, for whatever your reason is. You know your child, but my experience is that kids can be more robust than we expect and find not knowing harder than knowing.

[ptcoll]

Difficult situation, I might be tempted to tell your daughter the truth and explain that his kids are too young for the truth so don't tell them.

100% agree.

Pete

[Chinnock]

Very sad indeed.

My daughter is 13 and as far as I’m concerned she is a young woman. As such, you have to tell her the truth, however confusing and painful that may be.

[EmilA]

My condolences to your wife and her family. All things considered I hope they are coping as best as they can.

I always believe the truth is always better than a white lie, it may be difficult to digest at first but it’s better in the long run.

[Bluemoon7]

Firstly, I am really sorry for your loss. Don’t forget that you too have suffered a significant loss and whilst you are trying to do the best for everyone it will be impacting on you too and at some point it will cause a reaction. Try to make sure that you have a chance to stop and discuss how you are with family and friends.

Suicide is something that sadly I have had to deal with on a number of occasions, personally and professionally. It impacted on my life personally in a terrible way but then led me to do some of the work that I now do. It’s difficult to make sense of for most people and for children and young people it can elicit some strange reactions, not all of them as traumatic as we adults think they may be.

My advice would be to be considered, age appropriate but honest. Children and young people are far more intuitive and resilient than we sometimes realise. Remain focussed on the needs of the children with this particular issue, which is what you are doing. Getting others to realise that can be difficult. Suicide impacts on families in so many ways and one of the negative ways is that wider extended family members often disagree about how to explain to people what has happened. Without going into the reasons for this it often causes issues with regard to communication. Don’t let it for all of your sakes, but specifically for your daughter and her cousins.

Chris

[RAFF]

That’s awful. I’m very sorry for your loss.

My opinion is you should tell her the truth. She’s old enough and as you say, she’ll figure it out herself, and the same ‘burden’ will be on her shoulders. But she’ll be angry that she was lied to in top of it.

Very difficult situation. My half brother killed himself in 2015 and left a young son behind.


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[Pubdweller]

That’s awful. I’m very sorry for your loss.

My opinion is you should tell her the truth. She’s old enough and as you say, she’ll figure it out herself, and the same ‘burden’ will be on her shoulders. But she’ll be angry that she was lied to in top of it.

Very difficult situation. My half brother killed himself in 2015 and left a young son behind.


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Kids are quite resilient, my mum's sister died in her late 20's of cervical cancer and her parents and sisters decided not to take her young daughters (aged 6 and 8) to the funeral for fear it would be too upsetting for them.

20 Years later there is a resentment that they never got to grieve properly for their mum.

Also, neighbours / schoolfriends will talk and at some point the children will hear about what happened from a third party at a time you don't control. My view would be tell them the truth - finding out you have been lied to about something like this will merely heap more hurt on the kids when they need honesty

[number2]

So sorry to hear this, I've no experience with such a situation but perhaps Seadogs suggestion has some merit.

[Saint-Just]

My daughter is 14. I have never lied to her and I wouldn’t in this situation. You can dismiss the ‘how’ because this is not important. The important now is her Mum, her grandparents and above all her nieces.

[Wallasey Runner]

Sorry to hear about this.

I also agree with Seadogs suggestion. I think you need to tell your daughter the truth and prepare yourself for whatever falls out of that. She will no doubt need a lot of love, help and support to cope.

[jpjsavage]

Tell the truth. Really sorry to hear about this.


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[Quality Man]

My heartfelt condolences. I was once that child that wasn’t told the truth and forty years later all I can say is that honesty will be best, as others have said though she doesn’t need to know the details at this point.


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[raptor]

I would tell her the truth
She is old enough to understand and figure out that she has nothing to do with that and is part of life. Always has been
As for his kids i would not get involve in twlling them anything or be the one with ‘ the truth’
Sad situation and his kids will grow up with such a loss
Sorry

[TheFlyingBanana]

Awful situation. I’ve had to deal with suicides professionally in the past, but never in the family.

A couple of years ago I had to be with my sister as we told her three kids that their dad, my brother in law and close friend of more than thirty years, had died suddenly. One of the worst things I have ever had to do, but I do think honesty without all the extra distressing detail is the best approach as other have said.

I wish you and yours the best at this terrible time. Just try and look after each other - there actually is quite a lot of support available.

[bootneck]

when I was around 9 with my cousin killed himself aged 13, he was like my big brother so very tough for me even 30 odd years on. we where told the truth it was essentially to do with bullying that no one knew about, in the 80s things where different. horrible time but the lesson that was focused on was being able to talk to someone else in the family about anything and that sharing any issues would help, sadly a lesson learnt too late for Ian but for the rest of us a massive help. If it was me with my children now I’d be telling them the truth anywhere from aged 7/8 upwards, I’m sure your daughter is mature enough to understand and deal with it whatever is decided for her cousins isn’t really your concern right now cross that bridge if need be at the time. Thoughts are with your family at this awful time stay strong and encourage the conversations no matter how difficult or upsetting they are because an awful lot of people will be blaming themselves that they didn’t do X or Y which might have prevented it etc.
There are a couple of really good documentaries about it that whilst upsetting may help family members to understand and hopefully deal with it all a little easier given some time, life after suicide is one that’s very good.

[snowman]

Condolences and I can only say how glad I am I never had to deal with something like this.

I would echo the suggestions to tell your daughter the truth about his death, but go with the "We don't need to know about the how" for the immediate future.

If she really wants to know how, and she may not, in later years, you can discuss that with her then.

I think the question will really be 'why?' and, from experience with a much loved relative, I know that's something that you'll probably never be able to answer.

M

[MST]

A truly awful situation you find yourself in Graham. I wouldn't even begin to know where to start in advising you but for what it's worth I believe your rationale regarding your 13 year old Daughter is sound - to lie is to potentially make this tragedy so much worse. That said, it's easy for me to make such hypothetical decisions.

Regardless, you and your family have my deepest condolences.

[eagletower]

So sorry to hear the your awful news.

I lost a family friend to suicide when I was your daughters age (25 years ago) by secondary school she would have had some exposure to depression, from movies , musicians even school lessons.

I’d be honest with her.

I have two young children below 5 and I lost my mum in July , it’s been really hard to explain why “gran” has gone to the “stars”.

They panic even now that we’ll go soon and ask a lot of questions about what the stars are like. A friend at work recommended “Coco” a Pixar animation. We watched this last night and it really puts a nice spin on death.

When the time is right it may be a good idea to show his children this.

I really wish you and your family all the best .

[Thom4711]

For what it's worth, my advice would be not to tell your daughter.

The priority for your brother in law's family will be to protect the two younger children in whatever way they see fit (right or wrong*). If your daughter definitively knows the truth and it slips out then the two younger kids will have learned the truth from a less than ideal source, leading to more potential grief. Also- if it doesn't slip out- when they do inevitably find out the truth and it transpires your daughter knew all along and DIDNT say anything then there could be some significant problems in their future relationship. As you mention, the burden of the lie on your daughter's shoulders and the fact she won't be able to grieve collectively with her cousins could exacerbate things for her.

If you can't persuade the other family member to go with the truth then I'd be going along with the proposed plan and if, or even when, your daughter does figure out the truth then have a word with the family and say "look, my daughter suspects the truth"- at least this way the two younger children can be informed in the most sensitive way possible.

Just my thoughts on a very difficult situation.

*Personally, I think avoiding the lie in the first place and going for 100% honesty (plus counselling and a lot of help for the children right away) will be the best bet, so if you can encourage the rest of the family to see it that way then that could be best all round.. if not, then I'd respect their wishes.

[Mr Curta]

I'm so sorry to hear your news, it is just awful for all who were close to him.

You do need to be truthful, and think carefully about what she might hear later via other routes. Starting off with the basic facts that he's died suddenly and that you are all very sad and upset will give you a chance to talk things through a bit more with the close relatives as their extreme emotions begin to settle. When the subject of his suicide does eventually come up then obviously it is very important to emphasise that he was ill and that nobody could do anything to prevent it (something that many concerned will find hard to accept years down the line).

There's a useful support guide here:

https://supportaftersuicide.org.uk/s...lp-is-at-hand/

[Mr Curta]

Pages 38 - 41

https://supportaftersuicide.org.uk/s...lp-is-at-hand/

[Macca]

Tell them the truth, it’s a real enough topic nowadays .. what qualifies me to say this you say

Well when I was 13 my father committed suicide and my family elected not to tell me for a week and then lie about it saying he was in hospital not the morgue

Lying is the WORST possible thing and IMO you’re family are mental for considering it

Trust me it hurts more absorbing the shock after you’ve already had one horrible shock that’s turned out to me lies

Drop me a pm if you want to talk I’m very sorry for your loss and the situation but I’d just be truthful and keep talking .. best thing one can do to keep the mind happy


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[johnthemull]

My brother in law did the same thing. We told our two teenagers that he had taken his own life but not how. 6 months later one of my kids asked me how and I told him. Kids already know most of this stuff happens. You can’t however dictate to other parents how to communicate with their kids. When the kids are related that’s an issue for sure. Be open about how you are going to communicate with your kids to the other adults. If they insist on not being direct with their kids, ask your own kids to keep it quiet. Kids are good at keeping serious stuff under wraps when asked in my experience. Apart from Santa Claus!


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[jordan-arch]

I've just spoken with my wife and the family are proposing to tell ALL the kids (our daughter included) that he had an accident and fell down the stairs.

I do not want to be adding to this terrible situation though or causing more stress for my wife.

For the short term, there is no reason to go against this idea, its the family choice, it can always come out that you thought it was an accident but turns out it was something more

Hes left to daughters, parents and your wife behind, assuming a few others the last thing you want in all this is your daughter to pipe up something that she really shouldn't and cause offence or upset for the daughters.

This is something when the best solution is to just put what you think is best aside and do what your wife thinks.

[AlphaOmega]

Sorry for your loss.

My view is that there should not be two versions of the truth in circulation among the children.

It's up to you to agree one approach with the other family members. One group will have to give in. To an extent, it doesn't matter which.*

Apologies for being direct at a difficult time. I hope you seek the appropriate advice in parallel to reading the opinions here.

*Purely from a pragmatic perspective. Ethically, as you can see from this thread, there will be a difference of opinion on which moral position should be adopted.

[WarrenVrs]

I'd tell her. It will come out one day, and as well as the inevitable anger/confusion about being lied to, I'm not sure trying to hide mental health related issues is a good message/example to a young person.

Best of luck whatever your decision.

[bloater]

Honesty is the best policy.
Not telling the truth now can have a knock on effect later.
Children and more resilient than we give them credit for, but more importantly they are more aware of what's going on than we give them credit for.

The wife's cousin died when my wife was a young teen and the truth wasn't made known for years which has had a massive impact on the relationship between my wife and her paternal family.
My wife's sister died in suspicious circumstances and we adopted her son, after fostering him from the age of one, we have always been open and honest and willing to discuss details at any point, including one morning at 4am! His half brother who was already being fostered elsewhere in the family was shielded from the truth for years and struggled to come to terms with the truth when it was presented to him.

Also there's a risk of the truth surfacing on social media or in the play ground. Better to deal with the truth from the start than have to break the news down the road.

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[GOAT]

I suspect that the shock of the truth now will be the lesser evil compared to a “coming to light” later.
I don’t envy you- good luck and sorry for the loss

[gcleminson]

Heartfelt thanks to everyone who's commented here with support and advice, and the offers of further conversations via PM and actual PMs too. I skim-read earlier, and re-read through all the posts again just now.

I though twice about posting here this morning as I knew there'd be some of you who have personal and painful experience of this. I'm especially appreciative of the messages from those of you that have.

I should have said initially my wife was in agreement not to hide the truth (or rather the act not the method), but was relaying what they had told her; and she was dealing with a difficult situation there with distraught family so having a conversation together to gather our own thoughts was impossible. Our daughter would have known something serious was going on as we had special plans today, so we were in agreement I'd have to speak with her, I was just unsure the best way of going about that and whether to mention suicide or not. The advice here helped greatly.

I take on board the thoughts about children letting something slip, but in our case our daughter is probably the least likely of us to make that slip-up. She has more integrity that pretty much anyone I know.

I spoke with her earlier today. One of the hardest things I've had to do as a parent. I told her all but the method. She accepted that but asked if I knew. I told her her Auntie did not want to say, which leaves scope to go into that further in the future if appropriate as it's not an outright lie.

As the day's gone on this has just got more and more surreal. He'd taken my daughter with his own kids out for the day on Friday, and they were excitedly talking together about him bringing the kids down to see us and our newly rennovated house. Between Christmas and NY we all had a meal together and he was telling us about the house they've just made an offer on. They had friends round last night, and late into the evening were apparently planning the next boy's weekend away somewhere. None of it makes sense to anyone in the family and is so so sad.

[Boss13]

Really sorry to hear about such a tragic loss to your family. I think you did the right thing in the way you handled it with your daugher.

It does sound very surreal to read. Were there any signs at all? I would have thought there usually may be although not gone through something like this with someone so close, so I do not speak from experience. Just thinking is there any way it wasn't suicide given what you say about talking about so many future plans so recently.

[bootneck]

Unfortunately for an awful lot of people the persona they present can be the complete opposite of what’s going on inside and the struggles they’re going through. I’ve sadly dealt with suicide far too often with family and friends falling victim some of whom without sharing a bed I couldn’t imagine being any closer to and I honestly had not one tiny suspicion of the things they must have been going through.
It’s very very tough to rationalise or understand for those of us left behind I can only offer my deepest sympathies to you and your family, as I said earlier there are some documentaries that help at least partially help understand “life after suicide “ being one that sticks in my mind as it was first aired on the bbc shortly after the funeral of a friend who succumbed, I cried like a baby at some of it so it’s a tough watch (or maybe that’s just me) with much questioning of yourself and relationship with the victim. Any time you need to talk, rant and shout or anything in between please feel free if needed.

[Mr Curta]

Professor Green: Suicide and Me is worth watching.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...suicide-and-me

[boris9]

Very sorry to hear of your loss and the circumstances surrounding it.

Well done for now you’ve managed the situation with your daughter. I’m sure it was incredibly difficult, but it sounds as though you’ve kept your head in the most difficult of times.


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[Omegamanic]

I’m sorry to hear of your family’s loss.

I agree with a lot of the comments above, and making up a story is the last thing I would be doing.

You could explain that there has been a “tragic incident”. Later when the children are older to understand the difference between an incident or accident, it could be explained in more detail about their father. Your daughter is probably old enough. We shield our children from too many regular events these days and I’m not sure it helps.

My father in-law has very recently passed, and although my children were very close to him they didn’t ask specific questions about how or why he had died. They were just upset because they had lost their grandfather.

[Snowdon]

Devastating news

I hope the children and adults alike are able to come to terms with this in time. My thoughts are with you.

[ktmog6uk]

I can't add anything further but wish to add my condolences. stay strong and support where you can.

[eldrich]

Very very sorry for your loss,
Nothing much to offer other than children (esp young ones) are incredibly resilient. I've been involved in a couple of these - one had children around 5-8, the other was to 4 year old twins, where the mother was so distraught (obviously) she asked myself and my wife to break the news to her children instead.

The reaction was much the same as you said here - a "oh we won't see him again - oh but we liked him.", to my untrained eye it seems that as long as they were covered with enough people to give them all the love and attention they needed they adapted far better than we ever thought possible. I know it's a horrible thing to say that someone was 'not missed' but for the sake of those kids it was probably a better result than them falling apart es as their mother was trying to hold everything together albeit with massive family support.

Something that really helped later on in the 1st case was the brother/wife/family went on a big holiday as a combined family around 6 months later where one late night were spent after the children had gone to bed to 'debrief'. I personally found it really helped just to talk to someone after trying to hold 2 families together for 6 months and honestly having feelings of resentment to being put in that position too and for people to tell me I wasn't a bad person for feeling that way.

[gcleminson]

Hi Skier

That was a very personal post so I won't re-quote it, but thank you. They're not really understanding yet it's even happened so they're too young to understand the circumstances. I agree 100% with what you've said, but not my decision to make. How the hell would you decide 'I'm going to tell them today / on this date'?

[Skier]

Hi Skier

That was a very personal post so I won't re-quote it, but thank you. They're not really understanding yet it's even happened so they're too young to understand the circumstances. I agree 100% with what you've said, but not my decision to make. How the hell would you decide 'I'm going to tell them today / on this date'?

I know you haven't mentioned the ages of the children other than to say 'very young' and so it's difficult to be prescriptive but never underestimate the strength and resilience of young children; they simply move on and process in their own way. The time will come to tell them but it will probably never seem right as they will have moved on and adjusted to life without their father. Your daughter is very definitely old enough to know the truth and deal with whatever story your wife's family decide to put out. Yes, she'll be upset but will build confidence and character in the long-term.

From my own perspective, my mother's death had some positive sides, however difficult these are to come to terms with: I became incredibly responsible and independent at a young age, able to cook for my family from around 10 years old, I was able to use a washing machine and dryer from a similar age.

I don't need to say this but support your wife hugely as she will be massively affected however brave a face she puts on and strong a personality she has.

[stefmcd]

I have no advice but I hope whatever you decide works out for the best. I don't think there's a right and wrong here; maybe just a wise or misguided. Dreadful burden on everyone.

The only virtue from this is the perspective others can get on their 'problems'. Mine now feel irrelevant and completely trivial after reading this.

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[Bluehase284]

Children always seem to find a way to adapt to bad news - given unconditional love, attention and support.

They seem somewhat less consistent on their responce when they discover they have been mislead - regardless of how nobel the cause may be.

I would be cautious to lie to my own - but only you know your child and how they may process or understand you withholding the truth from them.

I am truly sorry for what you are dealing with - nothing anyone says will make you feel better now, but I will say this...

Keep everyone in it together - don't let grief come between anyone as it often can. Support each other and accept people can act out occasionally and in the end you will all come through together.

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