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    Any clues?

    A colleague has asked me to post pics of his late father's watch to see if anyone would have any clue as to make and model? There are no marks on the caseback.
    Grateful for any guidance that anyone may be able to offer.
    Rob

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    Any markings to the rear?
    It looks to be a Landeron powered watch
    Lots of makers used this moment in a variety of cases in the 1950s
    If it runs the bottom chrono button should start the stop watch and stop it
    The top is reset

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    Hard to tell
    The black dial is unusual, as is the 45min (not 30) chrono-minute subdial, the Excelsior Park movement used 45 mins, but so did a few others.
    The rectangular pushers were all by done with by the mid 50s, so it is early.
    The snail tachy is also early.
    It is in great condition.
    And I notice it is an all-steel case with brass pushers and crown, so good quality work.
    I think it is lovely, but most people (me included) would need a movement shot at least to get more info.
    It should be a snap back, there would be no point in having a screw back with pushers like that.
    Dave

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    Sweets is all over this ,with good advice but Iam going to put my 2 p s in for what its worth !

    Iam thinking its 40s a generic dial/maker unknown ( there was loads of these ). I think its a column wheel movement of some type , my guess would be unsigned bridges but you may poss find some marks near the balance .

    As already said you need to get it opened to find out for sure. Is it working at all ?

    Bye the way cracking watch in good condition externally , my advise is to get it serviced and wear with pride .

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    Anonimo Valjoux 22 Telemeter?

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    Many thanks for the advice thus far. There are no markings on the back of the case and it looks like a snap back to me. IIRC my colleague said that his father had it during the war so 40s origin. The stretchy bracelet is not original, was on a strap.
    I will see him tomorrow morning in work and will ask him about removing the back.
    What a great source of knowledge this forum is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cirotti View Post
    Anonimo Valjoux 22 Telemeter?
    Your 'Anonimo' refers to the watch being unbranded (anonymous), rather than the Anonimo brand which was founded in 1997.
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    ​Jim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwg663 View Post
    Your 'Anonimo' refers to the watch being unbranded (anonymous), rather than the Anonimo brand which was founded in 1997.
    Yes anonymous sorry

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    OP I for one would be interested to see inside , love stuff like this, please post up pics of inside. Im sure between us we will be able to tell your mate more about the watch

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    Very nice!
    Is it just me, or does it look like it's missing some kind of rotating/non rotating bezel, like the Rolex 3346? Unusual to see such a large 'lip' and flat bezel.
    Edit-could even be a verge ring type.
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    Would also guess size as 32-34mm, possibly containing the VJ cal.23.

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    Got the caseback off today so hopefully these pics will shed more light. Tia. Rob

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    Valjoux 22 it is. Late 1930s onwards.
    It needs some love but will be worth it.
    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    Valjoux 22 it is. Late 1930s onwards.
    It needs some love but will be worth it.
    Dave
    Thanks Dave I will pass thay information on.

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    I know the cases on these old chronos were not very waterproof and not very dustproof . Its a state but hopefully will clean up !

    I would not run or wind anything on this watch at the mo as it could cause more damage !

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    It is also woth noting that the movement has no incabloc shock protection for the balance wheel.
    Incabloc was invented in 1934 but was not not adopted by Valjoux immediately.
    I am pretty sure from photos I have seen that they had adopted by the early mid 50s (1952-5), so I guess that does help confirm the date.
    There are also no import codes, so this was not sold in the US.
    I am quite surprised it has no name whatsoever on it, even though it has a serial number.
    Dave

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