Anyone experienced the RG version?
Anyone experienced the RG version?
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Yup and Platinum too. IMHO Platinum is the purest form. Tried it on at Seiko Boutique along with a few members here. It is stunningly stunningly stunning. Screams quality and refinement. The dial really comes to life in the metal - the porcelain gives off an organic light hue that is hard to describe. One day.....Originally Posted by Skyman
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What he said,awesome watch. The fact the dial markers and name are hand painted is awesome
Movement finish is about the best there is too
Can someone give me some more info on Credor - I realise they are a branch of Seiko? But what is so special about them?
Thanks
https://watchesbysjx.com/2015/07/fac...-eichi-ii.html
Much obliged!
Stunning watches! Love the porcelain dial
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Grand seiko X1000
Wow. I hadn't heard of these, but just read the link and they are both stunning watches. I think I prefer the i over the ii and the platinum to the rose gold pictured here. Porcelain dials certainly do work as you get a 3D effect from anything painted on top of it.
Must ask the wife if she was planning on spending £40k+ on my Xmas pressie 😂
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Now that is a bold move! I'm not sure I could give all of that variety up. It is beautiful and unique though
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Definitely watch snobbery creeping in here amongst a few, oh it's only a Seiko. So what, just because they do sports watches and divers from around the £100 price point doesn't make them bad. Quite the opposite, those watches are some of the best watches in that price point around. Sure they make more expensive watches going up into four figures and the Grand Seiko and Credor are another level.
If the dial said Patek people would be slathering all over it, but as an example I would take the Seiko pictured that looked very arts and crafts with hand hammered effect case over a Nautilus any day of the week.
Sadly, that “hand hammered” one is now sold out worldwide. This, on the other hand, it’s cheaper brother, is still available on special order from the gnomes in Japan. Credors, either in RG or platinum, are more readily available from stock in GS boutiques.
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And for the Watch Snobs they should realise that historically it is the Swiss brands that were cheap copies. Swiss companies in the early 20th century were making knock-offs of the more prestigious American and British watches and it is the US watch industry that forced Swiss watch manufacturers to put 'Swiss Made' on the dials to differentiate them from the more expensive US originals. Times have changed somewhat just like they have with the Japanese watches- depends how far back you want to go.
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Hang about where did I say they were bad.
To me Seiko are a bit like Mercedes. As one end they make the Maybach. Handbuilt, very expensive, huge attention to detail, finest materials, etc, etc but ugly as sin. In the middle they offer AMG and S/E/G class which are excellent attractive products made to a very good spec, but much the same as many others. Finally they offer the mass produced rep-mobiles. Again a very nice product, but built to a price and very similar to many others at that end of the market.
These are all good. I have a Mercedes myself, but they all come from the same stable and share many of the same parts. But what they are not, is a Ferrari, Aston Martin, Toyota, Porsche or Roll Royce.
Like what you like, buy what you like, but don't expect others to like the same stuff irrespective of what it is. Vive le Difference.
BTW I share your dislike of the Nautilus.
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Ken, you are missing the point. Big time.
Other than Andy ( somewhat ) saying that he wouldn’t spend this money on Seiko, what most people are saying is they wouldn’t spend that money on THIS Seiko. I am a big fan of GS divers and while not completely sold over Credor there are a couple that I do like at their prices. FWIW, I am also not a fan of Nautilus (5711) but like the ones with complications.
There are a few macro shots if you go a page or two in.
I handled the platinum one in the London Seiko Boutique a few years ago. Incredible. I have always held out hope they would I'd a steel version, but I doubt it would be a tenth of the price!
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I tried one on at an event last year. Beautiful. I'll never own one but it's my 'euromillions watch' if I ever win!
It is a real stealth wealth watch. Most people looking at it wouldn't realise what it was, me included until a few days ago. Would have to be a safer Watch to wear than a bolder statement that shouts look what I'm wearing...
After reading about the guy who had his AP stolen at 4am after a night out in Birmingham I'm sure this wouldn't have happened with a Credor for both the reasons that no one would know what it was and a Credor owner wouldn't be rolling out of a Birmingham nightclub at 4am
What is stealth wealth? Wearing a £40,000 watch that looks like a £150 watch??
It looks nice and all but is a little underwhelming. There are quite a few Grand Seikos I would pick over this. I am sure it is well made.
I agree. The styling isn't to my taste and I wonder how many people would be salivating all over it if it said Rotary on the dial? I think the Credor branding on the dial is awful and jars in the same way as C Ward.
For everyone complaining about the price of this (beautifully-executed) wristwatch, it's important to keep in mind at all times that luxury goods are all subject to the same rule: on a graph comparing price vs quality, quality and performance increase on a shallow, linear slope, while cost increases logarithmically or exponentially. T'were ever thus.
Worth also bearing in mind that this product is not aimed at most of us, it's aimed at the kind of wealth base that finds £40,000 a trivial sum, spent in a moment with little consideration.
I do love the painstaking execution, but am amused that even at this level of spend, safe, conformist design is de-rigueur.
Aside from preoccupations with wealth or stealth, something that reveals its quality slowly and subtly is good if you wish to spend years being impressed by it, and not so good if you want others to be instantaneously impressed.
Sure.
If one wanted non ostentatious quality, IMO there are a lot of better watches for 40,000.
This enamel dial thingy wouldn’t hold my interest for more than five min, let alone years.
Anyway if OP is happy, that is all that matters. I am assuming he bought it.
I know we are supposed to swoon over stuff like this, but that looks super-boring. At that price point I'd be looking at FPJ, Moser, Voutilainen, et al.
This was my view but I really am going to have to up my education on these a touch
Still couldn’t walk past Tony’s Lange that he posted here a few weeks back.
I think Glashutte also do(or did) some Meissen porcelain dials, but may be wrong..
A very good read.
I had heard of marque but never read much about them.
Initially, I thought who would pay that much money........
But the article has made me reconsider that thought. And the fact that the watchmakers went to see how Philippe Dufour made assembled his magnificent timepieces, speaks volumes.
For me Mr Dufour is the pinnacle of what watch making is all about. It would be end game for me, if I was ever, (which will be never) to own one of his beautiful pieces!
Any Seiko that makes its way out of the Seiko Micro Artist Studio is punching above its weight horologically speaking.
For all those saying this is a bit boring, I wonder what your take is on a Dufour, if it didn’t have his name on it?
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For a watch to punch above its weight ( in this case 40,000) it would have to be far more than this Credor.
As for Dufour, this one has ten times the character of that Credor
I think I'd prefer it with a plain dial - the name means nothing to me and distracts from the rest of the dial, which I'm sure would be lovely in real life.
I guess that’s what you call a Forty Grand Seiko. To be honest I prefer the back, as lovely as porcelain dials are.
Some people like frilly lines in the centre of some dull numerals, some people like unblemished simplicity; some people like production line watches with interesting provenance, some people like handmade objects; some people think that there's a direct correlation between cost and quality, some people understand that different things are priced on different tariffs.
Personally, I would prefer the Credor if it said Seiko on the dial, but I understand that not everyone is as smitten with that word and that logo as me.
And some labor under the impression that orgasmic delight at mention of Credor is somehow a sign of good taste and ability to appreciate finer things.
FWIW, I prefer your enamel watch visually to this. I know they are totally different objects but your old enamel watch has loads more personality.
To me this just crystallises my problem with Seiko. They sell watches costing a few £100's, which are ok, then they sell a few watches that cost a few £1ks (called a Grand Seiko), which are a bit better than OK, and then they sell a few more watches that cost a £10ks (called a Seiko Credor), which are a bit better again. What makes it worse is the mix of Quartz movements Vs their mechanical ones. All very confusing.
Personally I would not shell out £2k on any "new" Seiko irrespective of how good it was or the attention of detail which had gone into making it, simply because at the day it's still just a Seiko.
As for spending £40k on a watch without a complication, crazy. Personally I would go Patek or Lang (or both).
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Once you’ve placed a brand in a particular category, for some reason it’s easier to reject evidence to the contrary than to re-wire your brain to accept it, and change the way you see the brand. That’s why they removed the standard Seiko logo from the dial of Grand Seikos in the end. Preconceptions can be hard to budge. I sympathise, as it’s taken me a long time to appreciate the brand and rethink what the logo means, but their historical models finally convinced me that there was much more to Seiko than what I saw as a child. I’ll admit though, that I do find it easier now that GS have a different logo, and it might be easier to appreciate Credor if there were no connection at all, just its own independent mythology without the baggage. The story is to some extent part of the product, which is good for GS, as they have a good story as well as making objectively high quality watches.
As for not spending >£2k just because they also make cheaper watches though, I’m glad I’m not missing out in that way. At some point you have to look at the actual product and change your own preconceptions to fit the reality, not the other way round.
Well put.
To give this context, I am looking to procure my endgame piece. A full set 16520 white dial Zenith and a blue dial WG 126719 will both go to fund the purchase, so c. £55-60k plus change. I have no interest whatsoever in ALS - they leave me cold (sterile Germanic style); PP - been there, done that; complications - I have no need of a date let alone anything else more involved. The Credor (platinum or RG tbd) or perhaps a SBGZ003 appeal (sadly the 001 is sold out). Residuals are not an issue. This is an emotional purchase.
A risky move, IMO. Hope you don’t regret it.
Good luck,anyways.
If you do this PM me if the Credor is the choice as I may be able to intro you to someone who can 'optimise' the price a bit and swing availability
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Just for clarity there are not many watches I would spend more than a couple of grand on to be honest. Seiko is just one of them. Plus I spend my money on things I like and Seiko simply leaves me cold - I do however still own a 1975 6105, but never wear it because I have better (IMHO) watches available to me.
Credor, might be made from unavailablon, machined by devout Budist monks living on the top of Mount Fiji, it might have a ceramic Dial, fired in a kin burning only the rarest bamboo and panda fur, it even might be lubricated with the tears of a Moby Dick, but at the end of day I still don't like it. It's boring.
You on the other hand are welcome to think otherwise
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Sounds like you are not the best judge of my taste then. Fair enough.Just for clarity there are not many watches I would spend more than a couple of grand on to be honest. Seiko is just one of them. Plus I spend my money on things I like and Seiko simply leaves me cold - I do however still own a 1975 6105, but never wear it because I have better (IMHO) watches available to me.
Credor, might be made from unavailablon, machined by devout Budist monks living on the top of Mount Fiji, it might have a ceramic Dial, fired in a kin burning only the rarest bamboo and panda fur, it even might be lubricated with the tears of a Moby Dick, but at the end of day I still don't like it. It's boring.
You on the other hand are welcome to think otherwise
To be honest it's the GS that make me think otherwise! I like the back of the Credor but it wouldn't be my personal unit of currency to represent £40k, though it would at least be an unusual and discrete choice. Personally, the GS (or at least some of them) make me happy to spend a fair amount on a watch made by Seiko and question what, 'just a Seiko' actually means in practice, instead of questioning the quality of the watch based on the brand name. It's a similar situation with Ford cars - if you had only seen the Mondeo, you could assume the GT40 is 'just a Ford', or you could revise your idea of the brand to include the unexpected information that they also make cars that won at Le Mans.You on the other hand are welcome to think otherwise
The Credor looks lovely to me but that money buys a lot of choice. If I were shopping in that broad price range I would go for this (at 55k) if I could source one....
(To go off topic for a bit) This is a great watch in the metal (a friend is lucky enough to own one) and has bags of personality. The finishing is also excellent.The Credor looks lovely to me but that money buys a lot of choice. If I were shopping in that broad price range I would go for this (at 55k) if I could source one....
BUT I feel it doesn't encompass what Akrivia is really about. The AK-06 is IMO a better representation of the brains behind the brand:
from - https://www.ablogtowatch.com/akrivia-ak-06-watch/
Honda.
NSX?
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Badged Acura in the US for just this reason. Brands have never bothered me one way or another (well not since I was a kid), I am just comfortable with what I like. On the other hand, my wife is always considering such things and it feels exhausting.
That moment when people try to make a point about lack of value-for-money in a luxury watch discussion...
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