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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    I'll be going with the hooked 7, a lot of the unhooked 7 dials are IWC service replacement dials (unless it's the rare white 12 dial).

    Eddie
    It's a bit of a minefield. There are a lot of subtle differences between the different dials.

    I don't think that too many of unhooked 7 dials are IWC service replacement dials.

    I'm pretty sure that all of the mark xi's originally had Radium lume on the dials. From 1963 the MoD arranged replacement of the dials with Tritium ones. An RAF Tritium dial is marked with a T in a circle. The encircled T only appears on the RAF dial versions as the RAAF and RNZAF didn't request it.

    All hooked 7 dials have the circle T and crows foot/broad arrow. The hooked 7 dials also have slightly fatter numbers and use a different type of 8.

    So all of the T dials are replacement dials whether they are hooked 7 or not. That said, I do prefer the much rarer hooked 7 over the non-hooked one.

    The latest IWC service dials have a different style of 7 again. The weird 7. It's often said of the 7 on an IWC service dial that they just can't get it right! These dials also have T SWISS T below the 6 rather than just SWISS. Older service dials have a normal 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    It still needs some work, the minutes hand isn't right, the counterpoise on the seconds hand is too short and it's the wrong 7.



    Eddie
    It is really looking better each time Eddie and I know that it will be done right. Hope your recovery is coming along.

  3. #103
    Would replacing the circle L with the pheon (ie move it to between the pinion and 6 o’clock) work?

    Could even go for the Smiths “fat arrow” (FA) rather than the “thin arrow” (TA). Of course then it no longer looks like a Mk XI

    I hear what you are saying about the dial looking cluttered with Smiths, De Luxe, coronet and pheon all crowded into a small space although I think it’s fine (three line Rolexes anyone?)

    How about just losing the De Luxe?

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    Boobies logo doesn't work for me ... all too cramped "up top".


    I think you had the dial printing spot on in post #1.

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    Really liking the latest render and the idea of using the selected movement.

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    Well the hands look great in the latest render, but I much preferred the absence of the boobs logo personally. Not enough to put me off buying one, admittedly.

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev-O View Post
    Would replacing the circle L with the pheon (ie move it to between the pinion and 6 oíclock) work?
    As a not-purist, that's what I was thinking too. I quite like the elaborate version of the Smiths logo apart from it being too cramped on that version of the dial. The plain-text version tends to look a bit "floaty" to me. One of the things that makes the balance on the IWC dial is that the Ⓣ and the ↑ are equally spaced from the centre so the negative space surrounding the pinion is nice and even. It's interesting how they solved this by just making the "international watch co" text quite small and jamming it up against the 11 & 1. Oddly, it still looks very balanced in spite of the trapped negative space. The Smiths logo has the potential to look even better.

    The other little things I would personally change on this dial is to make the markers at 5-minute intervals just a teeny bit heavier (not too much!) to balance them with the numerals and maybe make the rectangular indices at 3, 6, 9 & 12 a touch fatter - but then again it's hard to tell how that will look when it's not an artist's rendering: the faux shadow effects make it hard to tell exactly how chunky or slim they would really be. I would try to make them precisely the same width as the hour hand lume.

    I also think the hour hand should be slightly shorter so it doesn't interfere with the numerals, as I mentioned already. I think the minute hand should be a bit slimmer too, but we already know that's getting changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by trident-7 View Post
    That said, I do prefer the much rarer hooked 7 over the non-hooked one.
    Interesting details, but to reiterate my non-purist take, I just agree that the hooked 7 just looks nicer.

    On that subject, I think the 4 on Eddie's dial looks a bit off. That horizontal line at the top of the aperture seems incongruous with the other numbers and the IWC at least, doesn't appear to have such a wide 4. I did some googling for other images because the one posted by trident-7 appears to use the same typeface in a lighter weight, but it's hard to tell exactly how the 4 looks, because the second hand is in the worst possible place! It looks like there are variations with and without the flat aperture, but none of them look quite as wide as Eddie's.

    All in all these are fairly minor niggles. This one is shaping up rather nicely.

  8. #108
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    Itís going to be lovely.
    Please may we have it in automatic too?!

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    The render with the smiths de luxe coronet looks ace. Cheers eddie! That one please....

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    I prefer the first SMITHS font with no logo, looks crisper more modern, forward looking branding.
    Rest of the dial in the 2nd render is near perfect.

  11. #111
    Love it! Only issue for me, as others have said, is the lug to lug distance which will leave too big a gap for my taste.. otherwise I think itís fantastic

  12. #112
    Excited to see how thisíll turn out; probably very well given the purchase of a bona fide MkXI... I take it this would be towards the end of 2020, rather than earlier?

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    Shaping up nicely this. Closer to the IWC the better for me. Definitely on the purchase list for next year!

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Der Amf View Post
    36/20 - so weird that not even the 1016 managed to normalise it.
    Arenít the early 1016s 18 or 19mm lugs?

    Might be wrong about that though.

    I do like 36/18 and 40/20 (parallel non-taper strap) but I also like 36 or 38 / 20, esp if the strap or bracelet has a taper to 18.

    What I donít like is anything/22 or anything/16. But I do like the Smiths W10 @ 17.

    Weíre a funny lot on here arenít we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenko View Post
    Spot on! Black dial for me please.

    Any votes for aged lume on this?
    Just what I was thinking. It'd be a buy for me with the aged lume like IWC :0)

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Well I've just bought an original Mk XI to make sure it's done right.

    Eddie
    Has it got aged lume...??? :0)

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