Imho a bit like vapeing. Wants to say Bladerunner, actually says nerd. Good try or ridiculous nonsense?
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Imho a bit like vapeing. Wants to say Bladerunner, actually says nerd. Good try or ridiculous nonsense?
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Aimed at macho environmentalists......an interesting audience!
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150,000 contracts already signed...
150,000 tiny, refundable deposits paid, not quite as impressive.Originally Posted by thieuster
On what point in automotive history was another brand capable of luring in that amount of interested buyers after a bad presentation? Last cars that spring to mind were the original Mini and the Citroen DS back in the 50s. I remember the same 'what ifs' when the Tesla 3 was introduced. Despite production problems and delays. Currently the 3 is the most-sold car in The Netherlands. The truck will go the same route: it will become immensely popular here because it's tax free!
I think that the car is as ugly as ... but I admire the gung-ho attitude of Musk and his team.
Menno
Lets be honest, they'll sell well if they ever come in properly, remember a few years back, folk bought a tesla because they were rare and a talking point, now they're pretty widespread this truck will be the same.
It does look space age, but it'll have the best of tech underneath it, and will be more of an attraction around the world than a porsche or ferrari.
What I meant, but didn't say very well, is that no one has really committed to anything, the buyers can back out and the seller can never provide the goods, Tesla have managed to raise £15,000,000 on a very vague promise, that's impressive, but it's all refundable.
Yeah, the Tesla 3 is the most sold car in the Netherlands.
Not that much of an achievement if you consider how much money they lose on every single one of those cars, you can buy market share if you sell lots of cars below cost of production, financed by a gullible following on the financial markets.
Over its lifetime, Tesla has taken 18bn USD of funding and has 25bn USD of debt on its balance sheet (most recent quarter). Add to that about 2bn it made from selling carbon emission credits and the company has received at least 45bn of external funding. Only very recently has its market capitalisation jumped above that number (engineered by Q3 results which were surprisingly profitable, but which had nothing to do with building cars but was all down to accounting tricks).
Despite its more than lofty valuation, it's difficult to argue that Tesla has created any value for its investors. Besides that, their cars are nearly impossible to repair. But I suppose that doesn't matter for the cult followers.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Aimed at drug dealers and criminals more like it.
They just invented the new scum bag mobile.
I put in my order. It’s so unique and over the top. Strong performance, AWD, etc.
I’m not sure if I want to splurge for the 3 motor or just the 2.
I had high hopes for the new Defender but I was not impressed with the style.
His model 3 and Y are mainstream and will continue to appeal to the masses, the Cybertruck is a game changer and he’s pulled out all the stops.
As for size, it’s a 3+3 and basically the same size as a crew cab Ford F-150 with a 6 foot bed in the back.
The whole thing is crazy, I had to hold a spot.
Almost 200k reserved so far. Of course the deposit is only $100 and refundable, so we will see who completes the order 24 months from now. However at $100 many jumped on board and it’s the talk of the town. That’s a marketing win.
The botched window thing was pretty funny, but again, it got people talking, on the news, etc. Free marketing.
If we're all thinking of the planet and the best use of our diminishing resources, trying to reduce needless/mindless consumption, promoting and embracing cleaner energy and less intensive energy use, why buy/or produce a honking great, heavy steel pick up truck, even if it is leccy powered to get from A to B...doesn't seem especially eco conscious or friendly.
Isn't the big ass truck thing, EV or IC very much a part of the problem/mindset that's a factor in getting the race to the point we're at, after all.
Last edited by Passenger; 26th November 2019 at 21:31.
No.
Americans buy pickup trucks. Just like they own guns.
You may believe it’s a shame as both are responsible for heartache and damage to the planet but you’re not going to change this overnight.
So if you can replace part of the ICE pickups on the road by EV pickups, you’ll be on the right track.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
The USA market consumes 6500 new pick-ups per day, every day.
The safety regs' in most States would let this sell from the get-go.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
But won't they have to design the production model for the strictest state not the laxest?
I'm quite surprised that it would be legal anywhere in the US, maybe I'm out of date but isn't it the country of auto seat belts and chimes? how are they strict on stuff like that but lax on a shape that could cut you in half?
Well clearly it's a shame with tragic consequences, self evident, there's belief then there's facts.
I 'believe' though there's a whole lot of kidology going on here with this vehicles credentials, the silly USP claims but most of all with the notion enough average Joe's will voluntarily handover their ic pickups for one of these and that there's the time left to mount this kind of small scale incremental campaign of consumer behaviour modification when the rainforests/California/Aus are already burning and China, India and others are still charging ahead along exactly the same path the 'developed' world has taken.
Heck where my inlaws live in a burb outside Philly most folks have 3 or 4 or more car garages housing several cars. Homes are I'd estimate typically 5000/ 6000sq ft properties, many are larger and they come with staggering heating/cooling needs... It's the patriotic and American way to consume and go large, it's how to show others you've made it and the facts tend to back up the point that the majority would rather fake it until they make it through the use of credit fuelled spending and consumption, most don't make it. That would be a far more effective lever to pull for consumer behaviour modification, not trying to put more big trucks on the road whether EV or not. Moreover one in the hands of elected Governments.
I can't believe musk flogging a few of these is going to make a significant/ any difference in the remaining time.
If anyone wants to buy one whether to enjoy their Blade runner or eco road warrior fantasy, good luck to them, have fun but don't kid yourself or others it represents more than it is, a drop in an ocean.
Last edited by Passenger; 27th November 2019 at 10:30.
Your point will have a little validity if it’s enforced on the same day all new IC vehicle sales are banned.
In the mean time 150bhp+ EV are a great selling point to lure people away from IC, especially when they come with that sort of autonomy.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
You’ve kind of ridiculed your reasoning right there.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Crash protection/crumple zones seem to have been ignored. I wouldn’t like to be in that truck if it was in a collision; even worse to be hit by it.
Surely they won’t be able to sell it if it doesn’t meet safety standards? This can’t be true
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Biggest chance of getting killed (by it) is the heavy foot on the accelerator pedal. It's way too fast for an ordinary driver (e.g.: me). When you buy a Porsche or Ferrari, the sales rep will advise you, or offers you to take an Advanced Drivers Course or similar to learn to handle the power. I can't see Tesla offering thousands of courses like that to new drivers.
M
It would just crush you, so all good.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
So no different or worse than something like this that is already available then
As per Chris’ post, 6500 new pickups per day. So if it does make a dent on this very large number of big ICE units, it’s a step in the right direction. And Yes China, yes India... And recycling those at the end of their life will not be great either. But it’s one small step towards a temporary solution. Alternatively, the world can sit and wait. I personally prefer when people pull their finger out and come up with answers.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
See point about Governments acting via interest rates to reverse debt/near zero rate fuelled consumption thus slowing the burn rate of irreplaceable resources. Just a thought.
Last edited by Passenger; 27th November 2019 at 10:57.
Governments? Oh that’s fine then, we’re all in good hands, no need to worry.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
aye sad/desperate as it is, they have the kind of 'reach'/ 'means' to work on the required scale, explains doesn't it the focus of Gretas crusade...
I'm liking it more and more - very bold, very different, and will sell by the million.
Anyone got any shots of the interior?
So clever my foot fell off.
I expect that the interior looks as though it was "designed" by a five year old who had eaten too many blue Smarties as well.
Although no trees were harmed during the creation of this post, a large number of electrons were greatly inconvenienced.
You could say that.
I am not disagreeing (even if in this case we’re talking about Trump’s government) but it will only come when more and more entrepreneurs find their public and their customers (= voters) become too many to ignore.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Tesla aside, here in the U.K. I’ve never had any interest in owning a pick-up at all. Zero. I’m not in the building trade, and if I used it for shopping and drove through a built up area my bags would get stolen at the lights. What on earth is the attraction? Or do you need a gun to stop the thieves? Very odd. Another gap between the U.K. and the US!
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Quite they make no sense in the UK and only slightly more in the USA. It's a US marketing trope, selling a combination of nostalgia for life on the open prairies and rugged individualism and macho tough. Works off feeding exactly the sort've nonsense/self delusion that we as a species must grow out of if we are to maximise our chances of surviving a bit longer.
The Aussie’s love a Ute too. They like them a bit sportier though. They’ve never taken off over here though. Maybe because they’re long and not easy to parallel park on a tight street.
I’ve mixed feelings about this Tesla, I’m glad they’ve not just pushed out another bland SUV but this design doesn’t quite hit the spot. Next one could be good though.
Do you think Elon Musk knows Bill Yao?
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Jim.
And having just driven back through rural Norfolk in the pouring rain (in my boring conventional car with a roof over the luggage area as opposed to a hole) I’ve also avoided soggy shopping - not of much concern to the rugged American guy in the dry heat of Arizona with a load of bullets, shotgun shells, weak lager and ‘preppers’ gear in the back - but my Aldi Lamb Rogan Josh, copy of The Times, old flat cap and 2015 copy of the AA road map would have been floating in 6 inches of muddy water and leaves!
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You can get pick ups with retractable waterproof covers.
Not a cult.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I’m sure you can, just don’t see the point of owning a pick-up unless you’re in the building profession - surely there aren’t that many builders in the US?
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Russian humor
You might have to explain that for those of us who don’t read Russian...Russian humor
So clever my foot fell off.
Oh, sorry, that’s embalmed Lenin.
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