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A shame that is not a proper aircraft carrier.............No catapult, no cross deck and no arrester wires.
Thanks for this. Link passed on to a sailor friend on deckOriginally Posted by BRGRSP
A bit off-topic but what's happening to the F35 maintenance plans? I thought Turkey was going to maintain the UK F35s, but haven't they blown it with the S-400 purchase?
Turkey?!
Aren’t they being maintained at Marham?
As said, HMS Prince of Wales is every submarine commander's dream - and so recognisable...
To one day stop being a sun dodger?
Those sneaky guys are always on the hunt. Over the last 10 yrs. I've spent numerous hours on a RIB with a former Dutch Navy sub commander when coaching our kids in their optimists and lasers. Fantastic bloke, phlegmatic character and his one-liners are brilliant. I've heard fantastic stories.
I once asked him how he solved 'low morale' matters. His answer: "Dive and start hunting!" Secondly: "Select the best cook in the Navy for your sub!"
Menno
Is that from the same people who had the Tide-class tanker built by Daewoo in Korea? People ashore were still not over it when I saw the ship in Plymouth in 2018.
It's quite large
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Can't go underwater...
https://youtu.be/O6a_GpUbQNM
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And now she's off...UK Carrier Strike Group Embarks on Collaborative Indo-Pacific Mission:
Operation Highmast represents how UK defence is committed to embracing innovation and advanced technology, while reinforcing the importance of multinational collaboration. It is a unique opportunity to train and develop military interoperability and how allied forces can integrate their assets to advance global security. This deployment, characterised by the presence of world-class vessels alongside fifth-generation aircraft, marks a significant advancement in the Lightning programme...
What I wrote above in 2019: it's every submarine commander's wet dream. And the profile with two turrets makes it much easier to recognise and to focus...
Do you think U.K. hunter killer subs might have a view on that?
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
The UK's 9 vs Russia's 66, let me think.......
I hope so. But...
https://naviesworldwide.com/navy-new...craft-carrier/
The Dutch submarine commander who told how he 'enjoyed' the profile of the Prince of Wales Carrier was a young staff officer on that submarine at the time, back 99. As I wrote a few years back: I spent a lot of time on a RIB with this guy. A great story teller. Later he would become the commander of that sub.
One funny anecdote: "As commander of a sub, I had own cabin and own bed. And when I was woken (to do my turn on the tower) by a crew member, I always got a short status report while still in bed. That included the current weather and weather forecast. And when the weather was bad, I had more trouble getting out of bed... I didn't want to go up on the tower!"
(Fwiw: a large part of the Dutch Royal Navy officers' training is done on board of Royal Navy ships).
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think we are at war with the Netherlands.
A very large part of the Dutch Naval Officers' training is done on Royal Navy vessels. And you're right. But it only emphasizes how a submarine commander thinks. Fried or foe.
Fried is the foe of many of us.
So clever my foot fell off.
Good one. One of the mistakes missed by Grammerly.
(Feel free to ask tips when you want to write in Dutch, I owe you).
What alarms me rather a great deal is the content of the fresh ‘letters of last resort’ that every incoming Prime Minister (Sir Kneelalot in this case) has to write for our nuclear sub skippers detailing what retaliatory strike action has be taken if certain communications criteria is not met in a defined time frame.
I just hope that the latest letters do not instruct our sub skippers to disable missile launch protocols and sail on the surface with hatches open to the nearest Russian naval base to surrender the vessel.
If the UK is nuked and London/Northwood gone, I would hope that the subs would have the instructions to launch the retaliatory strikes but with this PM, let’s say my doubts are strong. The MAD principle is the only thing that has prevented nuclear war to date, long may it continue.
But whether they are 'launch' letters or 'surrender' letters in actuality - makes no difference? It's whether the 'other side' bets on the former being accurate.What alarms me rather a great deal is the content of the fresh ‘letters of last resort’ that every incoming Prime Minister (Sir Kneelalot in this case) has to write for our nuclear sub skippers detailing what retaliatory strike action has be taken if certain communications criteria is not met in a defined time frame.
I just hope that the latest letters do not instruct our sub skippers to disable missile launch protocols and sail on the surface with hatches open to the nearest Russian naval base to surrender the vessel.
If the UK is nuked and London/Northwood gone, I would hope that the subs would have the instructions to launch the retaliatory strikes but with this PM, let’s say my doubts are strong. The MAD principle is the only thing that has prevented nuclear war to date, long may it continue.
i suppose you could say that ‘launch’ letters are the preferred option as there are very strict procedures for a sub skipper to determine that loss of specific comms means that the UK(or parts) have been nuked and if that is the case then ‘Mutually Assured Destruction’ comes into play as all bets are then considered off. Basically you launch first strike ICBM’s at your peril as you know full well that inside a single hour your own country will become a radioactive wasteland.
Even if this was the case (and I am certain it’s not), an even if Trump’s America stood still, I am reassuringly sure that France would retaliate, if only because they were targeted too. (It would be stupid not to, if you were launching a nuclear assault on the UK).
Having said that, other than for some Reform voters, I have seen absolutely nothing from KS that makes me think he could even consider what KK suggested. It sounds more like propaganda from his favourite political newsletter, whatever it may be.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
It’s not only the MAD fear that has stopped escalation in the past it’s the lack of stupid people in power. No matter what anyone thinks Putin et al aren’t daft, the powers all across the world up till now have been kept in check by the grey men behind the scenes until now I fear, the advent of the Trump and Vance crowd and all the yes men foot soldiers behind them makes me slightly uneasy as they seem to be stirring things up with blatant disregard to the principles of governance.What alarms me rather a great deal is the content of the fresh ‘letters of last resort’ that every incoming Prime Minister (Sir Kneelalot in this case) has to write for our nuclear sub skippers detailing what retaliatory strike action has be taken if certain communications criteria is not met in a defined time frame.
I just hope that the latest letters do not instruct our sub skippers to disable missile launch protocols and sail on the surface with hatches open to the nearest Russian naval base to surrender the vessel.
If the UK is nuked and London/Northwood gone, I would hope that the subs would have the instructions to launch the retaliatory strikes but with this PM, let’s say my doubts are strong. The MAD principle is the only thing that has prevented nuclear war to date, long may it continue.
As has been every aircraft carrier since WW2...
BUT, they're the most effective way to provide air support and humanitarian aid around the globe.
While your submariner mate is obviously a good teller of yarns (must go with the lack of sunlight, I've a friend who spent his Navy career on subs and is just the same!), it seems he's never had the chance to 'walk the walk' any more than the vast majority of submariners since WW2...
Rather a shame that KavKav has drawn us into Bear Pit territory with his dribbling right wing nonsense, though.
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I think each branch of the military hang onto a bon-mot that they feel makes them special.
With submariners, it's: "there are only two types of boat - submarines and targets".
I used to eat occasionally at The Bower Inn, in Caithness, owned and run by a fella "Bill Budding" who's claim to fame was that he sank the Belgrano. The main bar was adorned with photos of submarines, penants etc, but in the snug (named "The Sinker Snug") one wall was adorned with a 4ftx3ft blow up of the famous photo of the Belgrano going down with the liferafts in the water.
A bit of research showed that he did indeed launch that fateful/successful torpedo and was quite happy to be known as "Belgrano Bill"
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...m-house-blaze/
Always seemed a bit tacky/tasteless to me.
While the sinking itself may have been worth it in terms of military targets and psychological effects, I am not sure I see more glory in torpedoing a ship than in bombing a city, I.e. there is little the ship can do on its own.
Being a warship makes the target more legitimate than a supply ship but it’s obvious than cargo is just as important to neutralise as a warship.
I have no problem with doing what at the time is considered necessary. I am less convinced by the boasting about it, even if it’s a way to cope with the consequences.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
My nephew is on that boat…. He’s a corporal in the RAF (only 24) and a tech on the fighter planes….
We had a huge bash to see him off and we’ll see him again at Christmas…
It’s a big commitment by the lads and lasses to be away for so long and it feels a little more dangerous now…
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