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    Quote Originally Posted by benwisback View Post
    Iíve managed to convince myself the Tudor Fastrider will be the Monte Carlo of itís day in the fullness of time.

    Theyíre not perfect - but still funky, wearable and a bit different without being silly.

    I reckon will stand the test of time.




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    [QUOTE=benwisback;5249244]These have doubled in price ove here last few years. Not bad.

    still a hell of a lot cheaper than the daytona,been a while but where are these at now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwisback View Post
    These have doubled in price ove here last few years. Not bad.

    still a hell of a lot cheaper than the daytona,been a while but where are these at now?
    Indeed if ever thereís a watch thatís not a sleeper itís the Daytona.

    About six grand for a big block give or take


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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby View Post
    Lucky man
    Its one watch i really want


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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsguy View Post
    Do you think it would be possible for a watch maker to switch worn out original quartz movements for newer generic replacements? Or would there be problems with the fitting the crowns or hands? Obviously this kind of drastic surgery wouldn't be ideal for the lover of authentic vintage watches, but it would be better than giving up on some classic Omega Megaquartz and Zeniths, among others, when the movements finally give up. Also, presumably it wouldn't be hard for the manufacturers themselves to create affordable quartz modules that fit, should they want keep them serviceable and they don't already exist - it sounds like it would take one phone call to a supplier in China to give them the measurements these days!
    Apparently if you send a dead JLC Master Quarter Quartz to the manufacturer they put in a modern quartz as part of the service.



    Of course the reason for my interest in these early quartz is the movement so I'm pleased there are still people around who are able to work on these. There are still plenty of options for keeping these going despite what the resident curmudgeon might say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boring_sandwich View Post
    Not sure if its under valued or a sleeper watch but the Seiko SPB083J1 ďGreat Blue Hole" which I recently purchased seems to punch above its price point and works great on a one piece nato.

    I am not sure if its a keeper as I have realised 3 hander non diver watches are my preference although for the moment I am enjoying it!




    Thats a nice watch, although i dont think "sleeper" means simply punching above its price point, there are tons of watches that do that, and realistically, its very subjective seeing as a 10 quid casio can tell accurate time.

    Sleeper I assume to be a watch that will be in a few years worth at least what its worth now and probably worth a lot more. I think if you find any relatively rare seiko from japan it falls into that category, e.g. i have a sarb059 that people are paying double now what i paid for it 5 years ago. Will it ever be worth 5k (or even 2k), probably not, but percent wise, its doing alright.

    Its harder for sleepers to come out now with the bubble thats going on, every manufacturer has pushed their prices up year on year by relatively high margins. take sinn for example, a 556 was about 600 quid 8 years ago, now its over 1k.

    Rolex are the most obvious case, with 2nd hand prices of some sports steel being higher than retail value, but thats a set of circumstances unique to rolex. There are only a few circumstances i can see for real sleepers to develop
    - some unknown or relatively unknown brand is used in some amazing venture, eg. next trip to the moon.
    - some very high end company wants to compete further down the market so releases affordable versions of its top end watches, think tudor & rolex, but in limited supply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveHarris View Post
    I'm a bit biased but I would say Enicar watches are still very much under the radar. Lots of superb looking watches and quite a few with the venerable valjoux 72 or 726 under the hood too.

    A few examples:-















    We buy Enicar?

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    EniEniEniEniEnicar

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    This was originally about 6-7K.



    Same movement as in Breguet XX. Now you can buy these for less than 2K.

    My blog about the watch

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    Not Vostoks as many claim. I bought one in the end just to prove to myself that they are tatty rubbish and after only a few days I cant change the date, when I wind it up the seconds hand sticks for ages like it is jammed even though I just fully wound it lol. What a load of crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by xellos99 View Post
    Not Vostoks as many claim. I bought one in the end just to prove to myself that they are tatty rubbish and after only a few days I cant change the date, when I wind it up the seconds hand sticks for ages like it is jammed even though I just fully wound it lol. What a load of crap
    I suspect user error here. You need to treat it mean. Vostoks don't like being handled like a nimby, Swiss-made, fancy pants watch. They only understand brute strength and hammers. Once you've mastered 'the knack', a Vostok will never let you down.

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    Better off with the non date Vostocks ime less faffing about, wore one of mine coastering with no problems/anxiety at all, try doing that with one of yer fancy pantsy Swiss gewgaws.

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    These vintage quartz gems, real bargain in most cases and if shown some love they really do shine.


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    The finish on those is phenomenal. Have you had them re-lapped or are they NOS?
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    They went through some makeover although my watchmaker was against it. But he did an amazing job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlton-Browne View Post
    Apparently if you send a dead JLC Master Quarter Quartz to the manufacturer they put in a modern quartz as part of the service.



    Of course the reason for my interest in these early quartz is the movement so I'm pleased there are still people around who are able to work on these. There are still plenty of options for keeping these going despite what the resident curmudgeon might say.
    +1. I've seen that very watch of C-B's in the metal and it's a lovely piece of kit. Serious quality going on. Not a shock as at the time these were the latest thing and the most expensive items in the various company's catalogues so got the best cases, dials and bracelets. Goes for the majority of the very early quartz and electronic stuff. Prices have very definitely gone north over the last ten years. Gone are the days when such watches could be had for a couple of hundred quid, or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny View Post
    We buy Enicar?

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    Im going out on a limb and going to say the current Airking is a potential sleeper. Yea its expensive as it is, but with an new version on the cards, and with the airking being a bit "quirky", but still having it where it counts, it could become very sought after in years to come. If i was of a mind to spend 6k on a watch, it would probably be that.

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    Zenith El Primero De Luca.

    Very limited production numbers for all variants and prices have increased steadily over the years, but will it ever be as appealing as a Rolex Daytona with the same movement.....no.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JimH View Post
    Zenith El Primero De Luca.

    Very limited production numbers for all variants and prices have increased steadily over the years, but will it ever be as appealing as a Rolex Daytona with the same movement.....no.

    Gorgeous dial and lume plots. Reeks of class.

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    Iíve had an 18k Oysterquartz Day Date for a few years now and it has the mahogany dial. I like to think itís the watch that Burt Reynolds (RIP Bandit) would have worn in Boggie Nights as the porno producer. I wore it to the HODINKEE Grand Seiko in Glasgow last month. Jack Forester said that it was the watch that blow him away which was nice. He also said why is everyone wearing Rolexes to a Grand Seiko event. Itís a great in your face watch. My only worry is that servicing bill will be massive. Itís only had 2 batteries since Iíve owned it since 2012.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsguy View Post
    Agreed, wearing mine today and stunned that a Rolex which is directly derived from a Genta design (the Texan) can still be attainable, in a world where 15202STs are £38k!



    These are growing on me and are a bit different to a standard DJ. What are peopleís opinion of the DayDate Oyster quartz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimH View Post
    Zenith El Primero De Luca.

    Very limited production numbers for all variants and prices have increased steadily over the years, but will it ever be as appealing as a Rolex Daytona with the same movement.....no.
    I agree (see post #4)
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    Oris surely deserve a mention in this thread - they've invested a lot in developing both overall quality and their own in-house movements, which has moved them from anonymous mid-tier workhorse into a different league.

    Aesthetics will never be everyone's cup-of-tea, but the quality VS price ratio is arguably unbeatable, and should make them a good investment at today's prices.



    Now all they need to do is charge five times more and strangle supply, and people will start taking them seriously...

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