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    A silly question about terminology

    Just curious, do you prefer - Dive watch, Diver's watch or Divers' watch?

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    Diver’s watch makes most sense to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellgal View Post
    Diver’s watch makes most sense to me.


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    But if a diver owned a dress watch, wouldn't that be the diver's watch? My grammar is not great...

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    I tend to use Dive Watch the most, sounds best to me.

    Although I think sometimes I just refer to them simply as a Diver.
    Last edited by Tetlee; 29th October 2019 at 22:55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafle View Post
    But if a diver owned a dress watch, wouldn't that be the diver's watch? My grammar is not great...
    Not an unfair point. Perhaps capitalisation denoting proper noun?


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    My eBay searches always used the rather incorrect ‘diver watch’ to get maximum hits

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    Dive watch.

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    Dive watch like most other people.

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    +1 for dive watch. It has the benefits of being fewer characters to type, one less syllable to say, and no apostrophe to think about where it goes in relation to the s.

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    Aren't dive watches worn by boxers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafle View Post
    But if a diver owned a dress watch, wouldn't that be the diver's watch? My grammar is not great...
    Technically, yes. But that doesn't help. It's like saying a Nissan Micra is a racing driver's car just because it may be owned by a racing driver.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellgal View Post
    Perhaps capitalisation denoting proper noun?
    No. That's a disgusting habit. It's something narcissists do to inflate their Sense Of Purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by GraniteQuarry View Post
    My eBay searches always used the rather incorrect ‘diver watch’ to get maximum hits
    Agreed. But the most efficient search term only reflects the stupidity of the searching audience. Punctuation is ignored.

    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Dive watch.
    Simplicity is good. And you'd get my vote but I don't think that's the accepted phrase.

    Correct grammar = diver's watch. No need to use the plural form (divers' watch) as usually the subject is a single watch. If we're talking about many divers' watches then you could move the apostrophe but my personal opinion is that that would be self-consciously extravagant.

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    I think dive watch, or "a diver"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete-r View Post
    I think dive watch, or "a diver"
    Don't get me started on the use of speech marks instead of inverted commas.

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    I didn't use a full stop either! Call the Fed's!

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    Pete, do stop - you'll have me opening a bottle of red before 7am. I try to avoid that if poss.

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    Don't get me started on people who say 7am, not 7AM.

    Sorry I'm on the train and bored. Mischief follows.

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    7AM is shouting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetlee View Post
    I tend to use Dive Watch the most, sounds best to me.

    Although I think sometimes I just refer to them simply as a Diver.
    Same

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete-r View Post
    Don't get me started on people who say 7am, not 7AM.

    Sorry I'm on the train and bored. Mischief follows.
    I really dislike it when people use a colon *and* am/pm. It's not 6:45am. It's 06:45 or 6.45am.

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    I tend to say dive watch or diving watch

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    I'm braced for the day when the tweedy East Coast Instagram Hodinkee crowd start calling smart, plain watches dressers.

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    +1 for dive watch.


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    I say diving watch or just diver

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubi View Post
    I say diving watch or just diver

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    Agree, ‘diving watch’ is better English than ‘dive watch’. It’s a watch for diving.

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    A silly question about terminology

    Makes sense (edit) to me. We say driving license, don’t we?

    Interesting footnote, our colonial cousins say driver’s license despite the fact the document is generally called a driver license in most states. Language is alive.


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    Last edited by Ellgal; 30th October 2019 at 09:43.

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    We say driving licence!

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    Diver's refer to their wrist computer as a Dive Computer, not a Diver's Computer so I'm going with Dive Watch too.

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    I think I prefer ‘diverse watches’ !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellgal View Post
    Makes dramas to me. We say driving license, don’t we?

    Interesting footnote, our colonial cousins say driver’s license despite the fact the document is generally called a driver license in most states. Language is alive.

    The item of clothing worn by pilots is known in the UK as a flying suit and in the US as a flight suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post



    No. That's a disgusting habit. It's something narcissists do to inflate their Sense Of Purpose.


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    Really important people seem to use a Full. Stop. After. Each. Word. As. Well. 😂😂😂

    (And before anyone goes looking yes I have done the same in the past!!😂)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    We say driving licence!
    Fair do’s. I imagine there’s a lot of variation across hundreds of millions of people.

    Let me guess..... MA?

    Proves my point really, language is interesting. More than just a tool to convey meaning.


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    Dive watch for me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post

    Correct grammar = diver's watch. No need to use the plural form (divers' watch) as usually the subject is a single watch. If we're talking about many divers' watches then you could move the apostrophe but my personal opinion is that that would be self-consciously extravagant.
    But, you could argue that the particular model of watch has been designed to be sold to, and worn by, many divers not just one. So, divers' watch - a watch for divers not just one diver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Agree, ‘diving watch’ is better English than ‘dive watch’. It’s a watch for diving.
    Or a watch to dive with?

    You say tomato, I say tomato!!

    Doesn’t really work when you type it!!

    But that’s the funny thing about language. Language is often reliant on us seeing the person talking so that we can add their demeanour, inflection of voice and gestures to obtain the intended meaning.

    And language is constantly evolving. When I learnt English I was taught that it should be “an hospital”. The “h” was considered silent and the word “a” should not precede a vowel, so you used “an” but today convention is that it is “a” hospital.

    And let’s not even go to “i before e”.

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    I’m not going to check this first because I like the conversation and find it interesting but I think ‘an hospital’ is still correct when written. Equally, I think that the reason for this is not because the h is silent in the word ‘hospital’ but rather in the spoken letter h itself, as ‘aitch’. I wonder if anyone here knows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Agree, ‘diving watch’ is better English than ‘dive watch’. It’s a watch for diving.
    Date movie or dating movie?
    Swimsuit or swimming costume?
    Walk boot or walking boot?
    Punch bag or punching bag?
    Drive gloves or driving gloves?

    Like most English usage, it's a mess and, as usual, proscriptions in the name of Better English are tenuous.

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    A silly question about terminology

    Quote Originally Posted by Onespeed View Post
    Or a watch to dive with?

    You say tomato, I say tomato!!

    Doesn’t really work when you type it!!

    But that’s the funny thing about language. Language is often reliant on us seeing the person talking so that we can add their demeanour, inflection of voice and gestures to obtain the intended meaning.

    And language is constantly evolving. When I learnt English I was taught that it should be “an hospital”. The “h” was considered silent and the word “a” should not precede a vowel, so you used “an” but today convention is that it is “a” hospital.

    And let’s not even go to “i before e”.

    Yes, a watch to dive with but we don’t say a ‘steer wheel’ or ‘shop basket’.

    Maybe those will come (unfortunately), laziness IMO.

    Edit, just seen previous post!

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    I usually just use 'diver' without the 'watch'.

    E.g. "Oh Christ, do I really need another diver?"

    Otherwise it's dive watch.

    There is no hard and fast rule as long you're understood within the context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post
    But, you could argue that the particular model of watch has been designed to be sold to, and worn by, many divers not just one. So, divers' watch - a watch for divers not just one diver.
    Yes, I see your point.

    I'd still avoid the plural possessive there, though others may disagree.

    It looks like Rolex and Omega avoid it too. That's not saying much though as their pages are littered with errors. I couldn't force myself to read more than a couple of pages.

    I would use your suggestion where a specific watch (as opposed to a model) belongs to two or more divers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellgal View Post
    I’m not going to check this first because I like the conversation and find it interesting but I think ‘an hospital’ is still correct when written. Equally, I think that the reason for this is not because the h is silent in the word ‘hospital’ but rather in the spoken letter h itself, as ‘aitch’. I wonder if anyone here knows.


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    It's a hospital. Not an hospital.

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    dive watch or diver

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post
    But, you could argue that the particular model of watch has been designed to be sold to, and worn by, many divers not just one. So, divers' watch - a watch for divers not just one diver.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    I'd still avoid the plural possessive there.

    I would use your suggestion where a specific watch (as opposed to a model) belongs to two or more divers.
    Exactly.

    A watch made for divers is a divers watch (it takes a common noun because the term doesn't refer to one individual watch but many).

    A watch owned by a diver is a diver's watch, and a watch owned by many divers is a divers' watch.

    However, I suppose it's worth noting that the title of this thread is accurate, and no one's not going to understand what we're on about whichever term is used. There are far, far more egregious abuses of the English language seen on this forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    It's a hospital. Not an hospital.
    An 'ospital, guv?

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    I honestly don't think I've ever used any of those terms, just referred to a watch by it's name.
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    Well there is an official definition of a watch that has passed the ISO 6425 test as suitable for diving and that is 'Diver's'.

    No watch that has not passed this test can have 'Diver's' stated anywhere on the watch. That is why a Casio Frogman is a 'Diver's' watch but a Rolex Submariner is not.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Agree, ‘diving watch’ is better English than ‘dive watch’. It’s a watch for diving.
    Agree with you "Dive watch" sounds like an Americanism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch View Post
    Well there is an official definition of a watch that has passed the ISO 6425 test as suitable for diving and that is 'Diver's'.
    And that is a proper noun, hence the capitalisation.

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