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    Greatest running achievement attempt has started - Kipchoge sub-2 marathon

    The live feed has started for what could be the greatest running achievement. The sub-2 hour marathon...

    21 kph for two hours...

    https://live.ineos159challenge.com/video

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazzler View Post
    The live feed has started for what could be the greatest running achievement. The sub-2 hour marathon...

    21 kph for two hours...

    https://live.ineos159challenge.com/video
    Thanks for the link - watching now. Here's hoping he can do it. I no longer run due to destroyed knees but ran just one marathon many years ago and I can barely comprehend how fast a pace he will be maintaining.
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    It's a ridiculous pace.

    Love the technical planning aspect of it with the pace teams and formations and organisation.

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    Also following it. Agreed on the coordination...that is rather impressive.

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    I hope he achieves it. My best was 3 hour 15 mins, after going through 20 miles in 2 hours.

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    Thanks for the link I’m watching live as well.

    My best time was also 3:15. One thing you don’t appreciate from the TV as they make it look so easy is just what an insane pace that is.

    I really hope he does it. I watched the Nike documentary where he attempted it in Italy and only just missed out by 15 seconds.

    I’m sure with all of the Ineos marginal gains stuff he will do it. Fingers crossed!!


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    It’s also live on Eurosport HD channel 410 if you have sky

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    A friend of mine ran 2.55 at the Berlin marathon a couple of years ago which blew my mind. Sub 2 is just crazy. Incredible effort

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    Wow incredible

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    Brilliant!

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    Thanks for posting. Just caught the last km!!

    What an amazing run!

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    Rather cynical about this. It’s an unofficial record - if the official record is ever broken how will this be remembered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Rather cynical about this. It’s an unofficial record - if the official record is ever broken how will this be remembered?
    As the first person to ever run a marathon distance in under 2hrs.

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    Very impressive. About 4 n half minute mile pace all the way. Bet most of us on Tz couldn’t run 1 Mile that quick

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenlec View Post
    Very impressive. About 4 n half minute mile pace all the way. Bet most of us on Tz couldn’t run 1 Mile that quick
    About 99.9% - a 4.5 minute mile is very, very (very) quick.

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    Run the 100m in 17 seconds ... 422 times in a row

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    I couldn't run for a bus anymore. The only thing that runs now is my nose.

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    I remember school sports day
    No one broke 5min for 1500m

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    I’m going for the record number of Marathons eaten in 2 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Curta View Post
    I’m going for the record number of Marathons eaten in 2 hours.

    That made me snicker . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Curta View Post
    I’m going for the record number of Marathons eaten in 2 hours.
    Now at least I could enter that competition :)
    It's just a matter of time...

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    What a fantastic achievement. Sadly the IAF has no intention of honouring this world-class achievement: too many helpers (41 'hares'). But never mind, he will go down in history as the first man faster than 2 hrs!

    This picture with the helpers running in a 'reversed V formation' tells a lot. Eindhoven Tech University has its own wind tunnel and Jumbo-Visma Cycling holds the key to the complex, so to speak. For once Ineos and J-V teamed up. they'd figured out that running in this formation reduces 85% of the air resistance for the 'guy in the middle'.

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    Hard to see why this isn’t “official”, I mean, the guy ran it - he wasn’t carried! If it was all downhill I’d say ok, not official, but he just had pacers and good conditions. Pacers happen all the time on track events and it’s considered fine for record attempts

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    Hard to see why this isn’t “official”, I mean, the guy ran it - he wasn’t carried! If it was all downhill I’d say ok, not official, but he just had pacers and good conditions. Pacers happen all the time on track events and it’s considered fine for record attempts
    Plus a pace car shining lasers on the floor to indicate required pace, deliveries of water and energy gels instead of having to grab from a table etc.

    I can see why it won't be recognised, but it doesn't take anything away from what an outstanding awesome achievement

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    That is amazingly impressive. The pace, and the maintenance of it over such a distance, is extraordinary!
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    I was doing the maths at what speed he had to maintain over 2 hours. I'd definitely have been able to keep up with him. For around 30 seconds.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    Hard to see why this isn’t “official”, I mean, the guy ran it - he wasn’t carried! If it was all downhill I’d say ok, not official, but he just had pacers and good conditions. Pacers happen all the time on track events and it’s considered fine for record attempts
    He did it. It is a record. However - specially designed route, pace, aero, gel/fluid intake all team organised and timed, rather than down to the competitor.

    So... Most organisations have set requirements for records to stand in their events - simple as that.

    I think it's incredible though.

    I watched hailie gebreselassie go under 2:04 in Berlin - that was probably an even greater achievement to me - but I feel now that 2 mins has gone others will feel that it's achievable and push for it.
    It's just a matter of time...

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    Fantastic achievement.
    I couldn't get over how fresh he appeared just after finishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I was doing the maths at what speed he had to maintain over 2 hours. I'd definitely have been able to keep up with him. For around 30 seconds.....

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    Interestingly, when I used to run a lot (although not distance, only max 5k three times a week on the road) I was in the gym and put the treadmill up to hailie gebreselassie marathon pace - I think I managed about a mile and a half before having to stop, absolutely wrecked! It felt closer to a sprint than a paced run.
    It's just a matter of time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    Hard to see why this isn’t “official”, I mean, the guy ran it - he wasn’t carried! If it was all downhill I’d say ok, not official, but he just had pacers and good conditions. Pacers happen all the time on track events and it’s considered fine for record attempts
    That picture in v-formation shows they're more than the usual 'pacers' on a track. Equivalent of wind assistance which would (if greater than certain speed) make a track 'record' ineligible.

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    On another note...is it just me or the guy looks much older than 34!?

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    4 minute 34 seconds per mile pace. Very few people can run that for 1 mile (forget treadmills they’re really not accurate).

    5k in 14 minutes?
    10k in 28?
    Half marathon in less than an hour?

    2 minutes 17 seconds for 800 metres?

    Find yourself a 400m running track and do 1 lap in 68.5 seconds. Then repeat 104 times.

    I find that speed actually quite hard to get my head around.

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    Excellent post, thanks

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    fantastic achievement but to be fair its not really a genuine marathon , so i dont know maybe it should be a separate record of some sorts.

    you cant compare what he ran compared to a marathon with 1000s of people and bumping and pushing , people blocking your way at the start and even that formation running would never happen in reality .

    still an incredible achievement and an insanely fast pace at the very limits of human endurance, the man is incredible .

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    He did the London Marathon this year in 2.02.37. Still not too shabby...with all of the above in the mix. Phenomenal really!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss13 View Post
    He did the London Marathon this year in 2.02.37. Still not too shabby...with all of the above in the mix. Phenomenal really!

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    yup hes an amazing athlete.

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    Incredible feat. I don't think it matters if it isn't ratified; he still ran it but with nothing to slow him down, like racing or getting drinks. Unless you feel drafting helped, which I suppose it would a little, then he had no help to actually go faster.
    Just read this elsewhere - if its true apparently only 5 out of 51 million park runs have been completed in a faster time than he did. Park run being 3 miles....

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    I would certainly look a lot older than my age if I did that for a living!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Boss13 View Post
    On another note...is it just me or the guy looks much older than 34!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegamanic View Post
    Interestingly, when I used to run a lot (although not distance, only max 5k three times a week on the road) I was in the gym and put the treadmill up to hailie gebreselassie marathon pace - I think I managed about a mile and a half before having to stop, absolutely wrecked! It felt closer to a sprint than a paced run.
    To emphasise your words... (Click on the vid in the article):

    https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a2...marathon-pace/
    Last edited by thieuster; 12th October 2019 at 15:20.

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    He runs at pretty much twice my 5k/10k pace, but for a full marathon. I find that pretty boggling, frankly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilT View Post
    4 minute 34 seconds per mile pace. Very few people can run that for 1 mile (forget treadmills they’re really not accurate).

    5k in 14 minutes?
    10k in 28?
    Half marathon in less than an hour?

    2 minutes 17 seconds for 800 metres?

    Find yourself a 400m running track and do 1 lap in 68.5 seconds. Then repeat 104 times.

    I find that speed actually quite hard to get my head around.
    Go to the gym and the running machine probably tops out at 14/15 kmh.

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    Kudos

    But this is an ineos publicity stunt, nothing more, nothing less..

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    It was to show or convince the goal of 2 hours was achievable- the pace was strictly set as such.

    I expect 2 hours will start to fall under race conditions just as the 4 minute mile was once considered barely possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidL View Post
    Just read this elsewhere - if its true apparently only 5 out of 51 million park runs have been completed in a faster time than he did. Park run being 3 miles....
    That can’t be right can it? I did a walk with my dog the other day and my watch informed me I had done 5 miles in about an hour and a half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowdon View Post
    Kudos

    But this is an ineos publicity stunt, nothing more, nothing less..
    Big success then! It was the headline on every online newspaper today, including the pic of Ineos' logo on the shirts. I even bothered to look up with Ienos does/is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaytip View Post
    That can’t be right can it? I did a walk with my dog the other day and my watch informed me I had done 5 miles in about an hour and a half.
    I haven't investigated but it wouldn't surprise me if it weren't that far out. The park run record is 13.48 I believe and he was almost doing that all the way. The 5000m world track record is 12.37 and around 13 mins on the road. He was doing 14.10 5k splits.

    ETA - by faster time I should have said faster pace - 5k splits
    Last edited by DavidL; 12th October 2019 at 19:23.

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    This is a phenomenal achievement. I think its right its not raecognised IAAF world record due to the differences already mentioned. However he will always be the first man to run a sub 2 hr marathon and irrespective of the pacemakers etc he did physically run it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald Genta View Post
    This is a phenomenal achievement. I think its right its not raecognised IAAF world record due to the differences already mentioned. However he will always be the first man to run a sub 2 hr marathon and irrespective of the pacemakers etc he did physically run it.
    This was a mind boggling bit of running to me, will be interesting to see how it affects official races and how long it’ll take for a sub-2hr race to take place in one.


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    He has been compared to Hilllary, Armstrong and Bannister, and I can see why. Amazing, historical achievement.

    This video adds some perspective; I guess distance running is like racing cars: on TV you simply get no idea of how fast they actually are:

    Last edited by hogthrob; 12th October 2019 at 20:56.

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    Incredible feat. I don't think I could have done it much quicker.

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