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    F4 Phantom over Petra - photo hunt

    There’s a famous photo of an Israeli F4 Phantom over the historical Petra site in Jordan... having told my friend of this very interesting photo, I cannot find it on Google despite about 12 million searches with various different phrases... I think it was during the ‘73 war.

    Does anyone have a link to this photo? Would be much appreciated.

    ETA: The photo is from (presumably) the back seat of the Phantom, showing the ruins and the unmistakeable silhouette of the Phantom’s shadow.

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    I don’t know if you are on Facebook, but I’m a member of this Phantom page, some very knowledgeable people on there and I bet someone will have the photo.

    https://m.facebook.com/groups/430890...rofile_browser
    Cheers..
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    F4 Phantom over Petra - photo hunt

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonM View Post
    I don’t know if you are on Facebook, but I’m a member of this Phantom page, some very knowledgeable people on there and I bet someone will have the photo.

    https://m.facebook.com/groups/430890...rofile_browser
    I’ll ask there, thank you.

    It’s baffling, I’m pretty sure it’s an iconic, well-known photo, and I don’t usually fail to find things on google...

    ETA: the rules are that topics are directly related to the UK Phantoms, so unless you know it’s actually more general than that, I don’t want to wind anyone up.

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    Not sure but it rings a bell for some air fix box art?
    I skied for many years with an ex phantom pilot who really rated it, only nicer one to fly was a hunter, or so he reckoned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Side of The Loon View Post
    I’ll ask there, thank you.

    It’s baffling, I’m pretty sure it’s an iconic, well-known photo, and I don’t usually fail to find things on google...

    ETA: the rules are that topics are directly related to the UK Phantoms, so unless you know it’s actually more general than that, I don’t want to wind anyone up.
    Ah, sorry, didn’t know that, I’m a lurker, not a poster so not that familiar with the set up.
    Cheers..
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    I just google image searched ‘phantom over Jordan’ and I think your image is on the second row of results!
    Cheers..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonM View Post
    Ah, sorry, didn’t know that, I’m a lurker, not a poster so not that familiar with the set up.
    No worries, I’m just surprised I can’t find it!

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    Tremendous! Thank you very much, that was just the one I was thinking of.

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    No worries! I know how frustrating it is not to find stuff you just know is out there somewhere...
    Cheers..
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    Oh, THAT Jordan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Side of The Loon View Post
    There’s a famous photo of an Israeli F4 Phantom over the historical Petra site in Jordan... having told my friend of this very interesting photo, I cannot find it on Google despite about 12 million searches with various different phrases... I think it was during the ‘73 war.

    Does anyone have a link to this photo? Would be much appreciated.

    ETA: The photo is from (presumably) the back seat of the Phantom, showing the ruins and the unmistakeable silhouette of the Phantom’s shadow.


    https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/alc0zd/israeli_phantom_over_jordan/



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    The F4 was a great looking aircraft in all its versions
    Proof that if you give a brick enough power it can go supersonic.
    About 18 months ago I was on the beach in Kefalonia and 2 RF4Es flew over at about 10,000 feet the sound they made was astonishing. It turned out it was one of the last flights by them in Greek Airforce service as they retired them soon after (days)

    Couple of days later whilst sitting on an sailing boat between Kefalonia and Ithaca we were buzzed by a Mirage 2000 doing close to Mach 1.
    He was over head before we heard him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    The F4 was a great looking aircraft in all its versions
    Proof that if you give a brick enough power it can go supersonic.
    About 18 months ago I was on the beach in Kefalonia and 2 RF4Es flew over at about 10,000 feet the sound they made was astonishing. It turned out it was one of the last flights by them in Greek Airforce service as they retired them soon after (days)

    Couple of days later whilst sitting on an sailing boat between Kefalonia and Ithaca we were buzzed by a Mirage 2000 doing close to Mach 1.
    He was over head before we heard him.
    I think the Turks are still using them?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Side of The Loon View Post
    I think the Turks are still using them?!
    They are
    They went through a major upgrade about 10 years ago.
    Still a potent aircraft post upgrade.

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    I can hear and feel the noise just sat in front of my screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petethegeek View Post
    I can hear and feel the noise just sat in front of my screen.
    Similar sounds come from the pic of the U.K Phoon flying between the hangars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpie215 View Post
    Similar sounds come from the pic of the U.K Phoon flying between the hangars.
    That’s a great picture

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    A ‘spirited’ departure from St Athan I think!


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    Another ‘interesting’ Phantom flyby is the one at a Cranwell graduation:

    Blew a fair few hats off on the 3rd pass, and resulted in several chats without coffee...


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    I remember it being referred to as the proof that a brick can be made fly if strapped to a large enough engine.*

    On subject; found the photo under the finger tips first time I pushed some buttons on the keyboard.

    * p.s. sorry Sinnlover; missed your referral to that
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    For anyone interested in the 'aluminum pursuit ship' (you need to pronounce aluminium à l'américaine for the euphony to work), I can recommend F4 Phantom - A Pilot's Story by Robert Prest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete D View Post
    Another ‘interesting’ Phantom flyby is the one at a Cranwell graduation:

    Blew a fair few hats off on the 3rd pass, and resulted in several chats without coffee...


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    I might just have been on the parade square as part of the support Squadron (i.e. the junior squadron, 12 weeks behind those graduating) when 'Tommy' blew over! There were few chats following that; 'Tommy' never flew a Phantom after this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skier View Post
    I might just have been on the parade square as part of the support Squadron (i.e. the junior squadron, 12 weeks behind those graduating) when 'Tommy' blew over!

    I graduated on 65.....happy days (or rather those following Cranwell were)!

    Understand the 'guilty party' then went on to the Nav low flying trg unit at Finningley......a hoot of a job!
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    Brilliant. I've wanted to see that for a while. Legendary! Thanks for posting.

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    The F4 Phantom was our best friend when I was a U.S. Marine infantryman in Vietnam during the sixties. They were extremely BADASS!

    https://www.military.com/video/aircr.../5302912586001

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacifichrono View Post
    The F4 Phantom was our best friend when I was a U.S. Marine infantryman in Vietnam during the sixties. They were extremely BADASS!

    https://www.military.com/video/aircr.../5302912586001
    Along with the Huey...
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Along with the Huey...
    ...and "Puff the Magic Dragon!"





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    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacifichrono View Post
    The F4 Phantom was our best friend when I was a U.S. Marine infantryman in Vietnam during the sixties. They were extremely BADASS!

    https://www.military.com/video/aircr.../5302912586001
    Semper Fi, @pacifichrono. Where were you at? I was active duty from '88 to '92 with VMFA-112 at Naval Air Station Dallas, and was one of the last USMC F-4 plane captains. Some photos:

    If you want to read about flying Phantoms in combat, try to find a copy of "Phantom Over Vietnam: Fighter Pilot, USMC" by John Trotti. It's worth tracking down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    I can't count the number of times I flew in a Chinook chopper in Vietnam. We tended to change locations every 2-3 weeks, so if it was too far of a march, Chinooks carried us to our next firebase, or dropped us into our next active Operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by williemays View Post
    Semper Fi, @pacifichrono. Where were you at? I was active duty from '88 to '92 with VMFA-112 at Naval Air Station Dallas, and was one of the last USMC F-4 plane captains.



    If you want to read about flying Phantoms in combat, try to find a copy of "Phantom Over Vietnam: Fighter Pilot, USMC" by John Trotti. It's worth tracking down.
    Oo-rah right back atcha, @williemays. I spent all my Vietnam time in "I Corps," near the DMZ, north of Da Nang: mostly at Cam Lo, the Rock Pile, Con Thien, Dong Ha, and the mouth of the Cua Viet River. Stateside, I was at Pendleton and MCSC Barstow.

    I was scheduled to be released from active duty on 1/28/68, when on 1/23/68 the USS Pueblo was seized by North Korea. Initial word was that all enlistments were frozen. Fortunately for me, they let releases go through, even though Commander Lloyd Bucher and his Pueblo crew were held as POWs for almost a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacifichrono View Post
    Oo-rah right back atcha, @williemays. I spent all my Vietnam time in "I Corps,"...
    I was a skinny high school kid who spent his four-year peacetime enlistment in the 4th MAW in Texas. I was active duty but never made it to the fleet. Roosevelt Roads was as far "overseas" as I went. So I have the utmost respect for Marines like you, especially Vietnam grunts. I doubt there are many people who could begin to understand what you must have experienced.

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