I hope someone could clarify somthing regarding chimeny positions etc of stove pipes.
This situation is that I've returned home from work to find next door has installed a wood burner in his garage. Now I have no problem with that other than the position he has deemed acceptable for the stove pipe with its practically on the boundary fence just above the fence line
Now I'm aware if part J regs and have looked all over for clarification regarding the positioning of a "outlet" in relation to the boundary fence or boundary line. Part J says nothing about this and concentrates on stoves with in a dwelling more so and distance from other buildings and openings?
But surely to me you cant simply just plonk a stove outlet as he has that close to the fence and neighbouring garden? Other information is the place he has chosen the pipe is pretty much in my apple tree directly inline with it so the top of the flue is about 2 foot from the "canopy" of my tree and lower growing conifers my side of the fence.
I'll try to upload a photo to better explain. Obviously I'm a bit peeved because I feel as though its going to negatively impact on my own garden and enjoyment of it.
Last edited by Neal666; 6th September 2019 at 21:03.
Last edited by Neal666; 6th September 2019 at 21:01.
Doesn’t seem right to me. Just had a wood burning stove put through planning, flue has to extend a certain height above the roof line etc:
http://www.woodburningstovesdirect.c...tallations.htm
Also there was something about being more than at least 1m from boundary.
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Also, that looks like single wall flue, which therefore means it will roast both your fence and his gutter.
The outlet is too low (for the ridge of his building, let alone any other adjacent buildings) and too close to the boundary.
Not a good installation
I hope you have a good tumble dryer.
Thank you so far gents, I was concerned I was making a mountin out of a mole hill. Clearly no consideration has been given to us. I have 2 small children who love being out in the garden now I'm concerned they are going to stink of smoke. Not to mention the worrie of embers lighting my tree or conifers
Struggling to still find a definitive distance it can be from the boundary though
At least it's within reach so you can squirt some expanding foam down it. Oops, did I say that ;-)
Originally Posted by broxie
it has crossed my mind, aswell as filling it with water
What a dick
Should give the local council a call. Even if all you do is speak to someone in planning for info
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It seems pretty clear that you don't really speak to this "neighbour" for want of a better term.
How about you knock on his door and explain that you're less than impressed with this item maybe prior to calling the council ?
Obviously, if he acts like or is a dick, council it is, pronto
This does not look right at all. I would very much doubt your neighbour gives a toss at the moment, so be prepared for a serious conversation with them, then call the local council for clarification.
The ironic thing is, we do actaully speak. We dont socialise as such but I "thought" we where generally pleasent in a neighbouring way. A polite knock on the door with his intentions would have been nice and a chance to discuss it and possibly suggest an alternitive arrangment.
I can only come to the conclusion he is aware it was going to be a problem
The mind boggles how people really are so selfish and have little regard for others. I'm constantly reminding the kids to not be too bousterous outside for the fear of annoying the neighbours.
Not absolutely, you'd be surprised how little forethought some folk don't give when on a mission (in this case, to get his stove idea up and running)
Either reggie
I would find out where I stand prior to any planned conversation. I would like to know my options before negotiating. Just me
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Yeh this is where I'm as aswell, im reluctant to go around without the facts, I need to verify this distance from boundary that surely there must be. I know it's not a legit install
I've took another couple of pics
Expanding foam, really????
Last edited by Neal666; 7th September 2019 at 12:58.
It's a bit tricky as Document J doesn't detail this particular arrangement but I suspect that it's non-compliant on a couple of grounds: the flue doesn't look 4.5m tall & the section above the roof line doesn't look like it's 1000mm tall.
Document J is here:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...F_ADJ_2010.pdf
Look here as well:
http://www.bfcma.co.uk/download.aspx
The height above the roof line is (I think) option B in diagram 17 page 31. It should be 1000mm.
The overall flue height is covered in section 2.8, page 30.
I can't find any definition of distance to boundaries for wood burner chimneys, only for gas fired stoves.
You really need to ask your local Building Control for their advice but you could also contact this company who might be able to offfer a view.
https://www.stovefitterswarehouse.co...r-the-chimney/
I've just seen your other pictures & that's not compliant. Building Control are the people to contact if you want to take it further.
The link given in post 3 clearly explains the position in terms of termisation points.
In the absence of another building within 2300mm (horizontally), the diagram location B is appropriate,
So those are your requirements, 2300mm (horizontally) from the nearest point on his pitched roof, at least 1000mm above ther oof surface and at least as high as the ridge.
One could argue that the wooden fence is also an easily ignitable surface, so the termination needs to be (in addition) 1800mm from it.
I would also say that the use of the single wall spiral wound section next to your fence is totally inappropriate, High temperature next to flammable material.
Also, trying to seal that material into the wall with expanding foam is a bit silly, to say the least.
Dave
Signs of scorching on the foam if you look closely.Yeh this is where I'm as aswell, im reluctant to go around without the facts, I need to verify this distance from boundary that surely there must be. I know it's not a legit install
I've took another couple of pics
Expanding foam, really????
Oh my, that’s definitely a rather shoddy job and most absolutely definitely not up to the required specs.
Sadly, my experience with local council building enforcement with things like this has not been overwhelmingly positive.
On the upside, that wall will be nice and damp soon where rainwater runs down the outside and directly into the block work.
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Last edited by JasonG; 7th September 2019 at 17:18.
Yeh I have noted that, i have been looking and come across this. Thanks for the link below.
Distance to combustibles, un-certified (which it probably is) it's got to be 3x the internal diameter away? I'm assuming we can class a fence as combustible material
I would ask him if he couldn't perhaps site it on the opposite wall which would be in his garden (which he obviously didn't fancy, I wonder why?) as you're not happy with it. If he gets at all bolshy then go the official route, and say well you did ask nicely first.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Over the years I've had neighbours who seemed quite nice but turned out to be exactly the opposite over matters affecting others including boundary issues. I recently had my neighbour telling me I shouldn't walk my dog on neighbouring farmland even though I have the owners permission. A simple two word reply ensured we understand each other perfectly now.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Just to point out it's 1000m OR as high as the ridge, not AND.The link given in post 3 clearly explains the position in terms of termisation points.
In the absence of another building within 2300mm (horizontally), the diagram location B is appropriate,
So those are your requirements, 2300mm (horizontally) from the nearest point on his pitched roof, at least 1000mm above ther oof surface and at least as high as the ridge.
However the rest of the installation is such a shocker it's fairly moot.
Just a little bump to see how you have got on with this.
Any update
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I have looked and cant find a definitive answer to the boundary distance however there is distances to combustables. I haven't gone any further at the minute because I'm waiting to speak the neighbours first, he installed it then has been working away since!
How would the local fire brigade safety officer feel about this I wonder?
That flexible pipe is flue liner, which is for the inside of a chimney. The angle of the (incorrectly used) flue pipe is wrong, should be 45 degrees through the wall.
The glue in question doesn’t pass through the weather surface.
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