Reply With QuoteOr way over the top for a watch that isn't right.
A number of matters, but as a starter look at the length of the hour hand.
Puis, regardez la mienne:
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rolex-Sub...-/312735998876
Just came across this. Am I right in thinking that £75000 is way below current prices for one of these?
Or way over the top for a watch that isn't right.
A number of matters, but as a starter look at the length of the hour hand.
Puis, regardez la mienne:
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Last edited by Haywood_Milton; 3rd September 2019 at 09:41.
Not one I'd recommend ;-)
I'm no expert but the price seems low given that I read a Milsub sold for $120,000 US a while back. 0552 is the correct RN code for the time but the NSN should have 13 digits including "99" the system identifier for the UK. In the normal numbering convention, 975/79 would mean the 975th piece of a 1979 contract - the blurb says it's a 1975 piece. Finally, I can't see a Crowsfoot / broad arrow marking.
Just my tuppence worth, accompanied by the giant caveat that both my military watches are RN CWCs from a later period & I claim no specialist knowledge of Milsubs, just the things that I'd expect to see on a military watch.
Seller is new, less than 12 months. He's got 100% feedback, but only on 141 of 159 transactions...
He seems happy for it to be inspected, recommends it in fact & suggests collection as it's more secure.
Hmm, a mixed bag I think. I'd have hoped for more provenance, photos, Rolex/RN/MOD papers etc, but I don't know what's usual for these sales,if there's such a thing as usual.
ETA: Mr Milton has spoken - that's good enough for me. Case closed m'lud.
Last edited by Speedy2254; 3rd September 2019 at 09:44.
Case seems artificially beaten up to make it not look so new - doesn't seem like general wear and tear
there is no substitute for expertise !Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton
Or way over the top for a watch that isn't right.
A number of matters, but as a starter look at the length of the hour hand.
Puis, regardez la mienne:
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Indeed, the case back looks like someones just rubbed circles with some sandpaper, how on earth can a case back get so roughed up!
Do be aware that a genuine military issue Submariner may often show a distinctive "rippling" below the webbing of the nylon strap.
Years of sand, salt and other contaminants serve as effective abrasives with the small amount of play the fabric allows.
This post is in no way intended to validate the eBay piece.
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Strange isn't it.
These fakers do not seem to understand the process. This type of effort is just lazy.
Getting massive details wrong like hand length is just pathetic.
But also, the applied ageing is just so amateur.
They do not understand that the damage is the rarer occurence, and that daily use is in fact a polishing process rather than a damaging process.
A single occurence with abrasive materials may cause damage. This is the exception.
The rule is wear and tear. And that rounds off chamfers, reduces the depth of scratches and erases the crispness of a case with very soft erosion.
And the wear on this example is the exact opposite. It is a perfectly healthy case with some shonky texture applied to it.
If they are going to try and scam people out of thousands of pounds, they should at least put hundreds of pounds of thought and effort into it.
In fact, it is better that they don't bother, it is easier to spot.
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EDIT for post #8 from Haywood- And NATO strap scarring would have been the perfect addition to this case, if you were trying to fake it, but what they did instead was attack the caseback in movements 10-20mm in diameter, quite impossible to generate whilst wearing the watch
Last edited by sweets; 3rd September 2019 at 10:31.
I absolutely accept what you say, you are the expert, however this doesn't look to me like the kind of damage that you explain.
The distinctive rippling usually looks more like this:
than this:
But as you've already explained probably more wrong with the watch than the sandpapering!
In the very words of mine which you quoted it was surely clear that I was not endorsing the wear on the eBay watch posted by the OP.
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Last edited by Haywood_Milton; 3rd September 2019 at 11:39.
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