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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    Quality is seldom cheap
    Someone has to pay for the repeated warranty visits to the showroom while they try in vain to fix the car you purchased and transform it into the one you thought you had bought/had been promised....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maysie View Post
    Air-con was utterly useless, mine was one of the last ones with the front vents and they were far more effective. Open windows are a given, otherwise my shoulders didn't fit.
    One thing I never learned was the amount of stuff I used to loose, we used to take the top of the doors off and forget that anything and everything on the dash made a quick escape on every corner, wallets fags lighters scattered about everywhere never to be found again.

    On a serious note though I found a stash of 70s short wheel base petrol ones in Africa last year but they wouldnít part with any of them. Was just like an old war film parked up under canopies hardly used about 30 in total all working and maintained well, had a play with one in the hills and it was so refreshing having something that basic again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maysie View Post
    Someone has to pay for the repeated warranty visits to the showroom while they try in vain to fix the car you purchased and transform it into the one you thought you had bought/had been promised....
    Never owned a Fiat.....
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    The warranty is not enough
    Scrap and let die
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    Wow, you guys have so put me off this. May try a G Wagen.😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyman View Post
    Wow, you guys have so put me off this. May try a G Wagen.
    Just got to find an extra £100k over the Defender for the privilege.

    I was tempted by the new one but on looks alone it wasn’t worth the hype for me.

    I’ll stick to my old one

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    I quite like it in the darker colour too. But a closer inspection would be required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex L View Post
    Just got to find an extra £100k over the Defender for the privilege.

    I was tempted by the new one but on looks alone it wasnít worth the hype for me.

    Iíll stick to my old one

    Untitled by Alex L, on Flickr
    That is very nice. G Wagen wise, I was thinking 2 or 3 years old, £65k or so. My 2019 Wrangler serves as my back to basics truck.
    Last edited by Skyman; 28th August 2019 at 20:06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkJS View Post
    I'd have to see one in the metal before making a proper judgment.

    Not my most popular of opinions, but I do wish every Diesel Land Rover Defender ever built before say 2012 (along with almost every other Diesel JLR product in fact) was wiped off the face of the earth. Every Defender I see these days is continuously kicking out a huge plume of smoke whilst making a horrendous racket. Every single one of them - young(ish) or old.
    Enter the Spanish Santana with its Defender-ish model with the Iveco engine.

    I really like the look of the Defender, especially the 110. About 10 yrs ago I wanted to purchase one but was veto'ed by my wife: "... no car with LandRover on our driveway. I've worked long enough in Pakistan, India and Afghanistan to know that the only proper car is a LandCruiser."

    That was the end of my Landy adventure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex L View Post
    Ha ha good plate!

    Although I daresay youíve tinkered a bit along the remap lines and actually no slouch?

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    I've been privileged to have seen the new Defender un-camouflaged and it's gorgeous. I'll be after one when released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davide View Post
    I've been privileged to have seen the new Defender un-camouflaged and it's gorgeous. I'll be after one when released.
    Are you on crack?

    Or dealing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davide View Post
    I've been privileged to have seen the new Defender un-camouflaged and it's gorgeous. I'll be after one when released.
    ''Privileged'', methinks you're taking this just a might bit too seriously.
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    ''Privileged'', methinks you're taking this just a might bit too seriously.
    Quite possibly - but Iím just suggesting those whoíve taken against it without seeing it are bring unwise.

    Remember that LR were selling hardly any Defenders when it was withdrawn suggesting it was not what people wanted to buy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by davide View Post
    Quite possibly - but Iím just suggesting those whoíve taken against it without seeing it are bring unwise.

    Remember that LR were selling hardly any Defenders when it was withdrawn suggesting it was not what people wanted to buy.

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    The defender was outdated and over priced, these days a Japanese pick-up at around £20k is a better proposition, I guess the new model is just a way of cashing in on past glories.
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    Quote Originally Posted by davide View Post
    Quite possibly - but Iím just suggesting those whoíve taken against it without seeing it are bring unwise.

    Remember that LR were selling hardly any Defenders when it was withdrawn suggesting it was not what people wanted to buy.


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    The demand for the Defender was massive especially over the last few months of production but then again we were very rural based so a bulk of our customers were farmers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    The defender was outdated and over priced, these days a Japanese pick-up at around £20k is a better proposition, I guess the new model is just a way of cashing in on past glories.
    Out dated maybe but stick a set of mud pluggers on it and it'll go anywhere a Japanese car will go with ease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    The defender was outdated and over priced, these days a Japanese pick-up at around £20k is a better proposition, I guess the new model is just a way of cashing in on past glories.
    Yes indeed. The new one is not aimed at that market although its aims are durability and unbeaten off-road capability.

    Time will tell us if theyíve achieved that but I suspect most buyers wonít get it muddy despite its abilities.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky Four Fingers View Post
    The demand for the Defender was massive especially over the last few months of production but then again we were very rural based so a bulk of our customers were farmers.
    I suspect that was people wanting the last few. Sales figures overall latterly were shockingly low.

    Yes Iíve heard of farmers preferring the Defender to Japanese etc pickups.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GraniteQuarry View Post
    Ha ha good plate!

    Although I daresay youíve tinkered a bit along the remap lines and actually no slouch?
    Thanks, yes itís had the JE Engineering remap with larger intercooler so circa 180+bhp - itís still very slow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex L View Post
    Thanks, yes itís had the JE Engineering remap with larger intercooler so circa 180+bhp - itís still very slow
    Nice! I had the BAS150 kit in my 2016 Landmark, never got around to fitting the cooler and going to 170.

    Ok not fast but pokey enough to surprise those who assumed it was Farmer Joe at the wheel

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    Quote Originally Posted by guinea View Post
    Think it look alright. What did people actually expect?
    A utility vehicle. Something the army could and would buy for field use.

    What we have is just another shiny SUV. LR already make a load of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lammylee View Post
    Mercedes managed to re-engineer the G-Class to overcome refinement issues that dated it and keep the iconic design aesthetics, pity Land Rover couldnít do the same.
    Spot on. The G-Wagen looks more Land Rover-like than this new Defender. If Mercedes were able to update the G-Wagen without losing its iconic looks then one would have hoped and expected that LR could have done the same for the Defender.

    But no, we get another not-really-utility-at-all-SUV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markrlondon View Post
    A utility vehicle. Something the army could and would buy for field use.

    What we have is just another shiny SUV. LR already make a load or those.
    They do mate, it’s called JLTV (army learnt its lesson with soft skinned Snatch LRs in Iraq and Afghanistan)
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    Quote Originally Posted by VDG View Post
    They do mate, it’s called JLTV (army learnt its lesson with soft skinned Snatch LRs in Iraq and Afghanistan)
    Depends on the use, doesn't it. Only a minority of vehicles need to be armoured for patrol purposes. A general purpose, cross-country utility vehicle doesn't generally need armour and that's the kind of role where Land Rovers used to be ideal -- the Army had tens of thousands of Defender variants in that sort of role. But it doesn't seem likely that the Army is going to have tens of thousands of these new Defenders in any role.

    Giving Defenders and variants light armour made sense for certain scenarios but (in retrospect) never made sense for Iraq where IEDs could be enormous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyman View Post
    That is very nice. G Wagen wise, I was thinking 2 or 3 years old, £65k or so. My 2019 Wrangler serves as my back to basics truck.
    Well that didnít go quite to plan. Was going to wait until the Defender reveal in a few days, but today saw me order a new, spec-amendable Merc G 350d (aka ďPanzerĒ) for delivery in three months. Should be epic and somewhat more reliable than the JLR product - which I do not doubt will have a certain appeal, but not for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simesman View Post
    No way should they call that a Defender.
    Nailed it.

    I had a 90CSW for 5 years.
    Bought it new, lost £1100 in depreciation.
    Rear heated window went tits up a few times, other than that, it was 100% reliable.

    That new thing though, is a bag of arse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyman View Post
    Well that didnít go quite to plan. Was going to wait until the Defender reveal in a few days, but today saw me order a new, spec-amendable Merc G 350d (aka ďPanzerĒ) for delivery in three months. Should be epic and somewhat more reliable than the JLR product - which I do not doubt will have a certain appeal, but not for me.


    Not the AMG for me though. I am not an oil sheikh.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyman View Post


    Not the AMG for me though. I am not an oil sheikh.
    Oh, are you not ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post
    Oh, are you not ?
    No, just your average pauper.

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    I saw a tv program on the build of the G-wagen fairly recently.
    Doubt thereís a better built car on the road tbh -made in the Steyer plant in Austria, I think.
    Except maybe a Unimog....

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    I quite like it but Iíve always wanted an original Defender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draftsmann View Post
    All of the above duly acknowledged. I love mine and wonít be trading ďupĒ for the hideous replacement model any time soon.
    This is where defenders should have kept their boxey, utilitarian look. Not this round crap that they've done. Which is a shame as the other cars in the range that they have all look great. Just think they've missed the mark on this one.

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    The v8 Anniversary models are avail to order of the old defender.... £150k - a snip.

    I believe the Hamster has one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    This ^^^^ just another 'pumped up' school run SUV, JLR will sell loads as Tamara and Tristan carriers.
    Fully agreed

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    Well, it started life as a cross between a tractor and a car but mainly tractor. One vehicle for everything, sort of thing. Not sure there's too much call for that sort of vehicle today. This is just a marketing/branding exercise leveraging the "Defender" name. I'm not sure I expected anything different to what's arrived.

    I think you have to put it in the SUV/Chelsea tractor box and judge it like that.

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    Look at what farmers are driving these days. Even pickup trucks are bulbous, air-conditioned palaces.

    I was a huge fan of the Discovery 4 (hate the 5) and I see the new Defender in this light. The D4 is still quite popular with farmers and others who work on the land so the Defender should work out well, if not quite in the same way.

    I would buy one if the price was right.

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    Full reveal at German Motor Show next week

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOAT View Post
    I saw a tv program on the build of the G-wagen fairly recently.
    Doubt thereís a better built car on the road tbh -made in the Steyer plant in Austria, I think.
    Except maybe a Unimog....
    Apparently 80% of cars made are still on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyman View Post


    Not the AMG for me though. I am not an oil sheikh.

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    Please say you went for that colour, thatís awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyman View Post
    Apparently 80% of cars made are still on the road.
    Yes thatís true. They stay wherever they die, because theyíre too heavy to be towed away......!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex L View Post
    Please say you went for that colour, thatís awesome
    I did indeed. Olive metallic.

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    I'd probably opt for Rubellite Red Metallic, reminds me a of one a girlfriends dad had in almondine red some years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catch21 View Post
    Well, it started life as a cross between a tractor and a car but mainly tractor. One vehicle for everything, sort of thing. Not sure there's too much call for that sort of vehicle today.
    Surely vehicles in that category (albeit in modern terms) sell very well: Hi-Lux, other pickups of all sorts, Patrols, Landcruisers, Shogun/Pajero. I recognise that these vehicles cross categories somewhat but they all go where Defenders once went and do what Defenders do/did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simesman View Post
    No way should they call that a Defender.
    Yes! The G wagon from Mercedes is recognizable no matter the day of production.
    Should have done that with the Defender

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    Quote Originally Posted by martyloveswatches View Post
    Yes! The G wagon from Mercedes is recognizable no matter the day of production.
    Should have done that with the Defender
    It does seem odd that they didn't do this, when clearly Mercedes were able to do so with a very similar vehicle.

    But Land Rover does seem to have a strategy of making all their models look at similar as possible! I'm all for a family style but my impression is that they have taken it way too far.

    I can tell the FF RR apart from the others and I think I'll be able to tell the new Defender apart (although its front end says Disco to me), but all the others are good-looking but so similar as, for me, to be indistinguishable: It is a Range Rover Discovery Sport Velomobile or a Evocative Not-Freelander, or what? ;-)

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    I donít like it. However it is more environmentally friendly and if you were to run someone over the damage would be less

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyman View Post
    Apparently 80% of cars made are still on the road.
    A bit like triggers broom though ;-) Saying that the option to easily (home enthusiast) replace every part is one of the attractions and one of the reasons I had for series/defender landrovers over a 15 year period. I think the days of the home mechanic being able to sort his defender are gone with the new model.

    On the good side I hope the new model will make a lot of the current yuppy 'old style' defender owners sell up and move to the new model, lured by the fancy connectivity/multi-media/luxury and driver aids the youngsters seem to like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffcotton View Post
    I donít like it. However it is more environmentally friendly and if you were to run someone over the damage would be less
    Anyone daft enough to get in the way of mine is likely to come off worse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by solwisesteve View Post
    A bit like triggers broom though ;-) Saying that the option to easily (home enthusiast) replace every part is one of the attractions and one of the reasons I had for series/defender landrovers over a 15 year period. I think the days of the home mechanic being able to sort his defender are gone with the new model.

    On the good side I hope the new model will make a lot of the current yuppy 'old style' defender owners sell up and move to the new model, lured by the fancy connectivity/multi-media/luxury and driver aids the youngsters seem to like.
    Apologies, I was talking Merc Gs. I would imagine the ratio for Defenders, rebuilt or otherwise, would be much less.

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