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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    People will be asking for the plastic transportation boxes they come in next or to make sure the outer white cardboard sleeve is present!
    Even better, the original bag with the jewellers name on that the watch was taken home in from original purchase, this is known as the collectors full set, my 14060 has this which makes it worth at least £10 more than other standard full sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    IMHO bezel protector and Tag makes next to no impact on value. Especially the Tag. Warranty card is of course important. I never even check if the tags come with mine. Bezel protector can easily be gotten off ebay. But why does bezel protector matter if the watch isn't new upon resale anyway? Would someone seriously NOT buy a Rolex that came with warranty card etc but didn't have the bezel protector? People will be asking for the plastic transportation boxes they come in next or to make sure the outer white cardboard sleeve is present!
    Very true I donít recall even bothering to check when I bought mine until I read people actually posting this stuff on the internet and actually seeing WTB for such stuff though as I say, the same could be said about the box, an empty box yet itís worth a few quid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick P View Post
    Sorry but you are taking a one sided view.

    In order to survive, Rolex need to protect their brand image from the tyre kickers who want to buy the product on the cheap. This was happening quite badly a couple of years ago. The most popular question in watch forums was along the lines of where can I get a discount and how much should I get.

    That was doing Rolex no favours at all.

    Today after 18 months or so of cutting back on volumes, Rolex have successfully reversed the situation. Today buying a Rolex demands that you either have to wait for it or pay above RRP if you want it today. If you go to a Grey Dealer and pay a premium over RRP, you will get the full set with no restrictions.

    If you go to an AD, you will have to wait and when you eventually get it, have restrictions imposed upon you. It is entirely your choice which way you go.

    The main thing is that Rolex are now selling to either the wealthy or to an enthusiast and not to some tyre kicker.

    Not only does this benefit Rolex and their distribution chain, it benefits the customer by keeping the financial value and the integrity of the product intact.

    Only tyre kickers are upset and sorry but that is their tough luck.
    You bet I'm taking a one-sided view.

    I have no horse in this race, but this thread's title alone is making me cringe. (I assume that's what someone else meant when he said he was 'unaffected but annoyed').

    I find it sad that fellow forum members, who probably are likeable chaps otherwise, turn into rather irrational, obnoxious and aggressive individuals when the practices of Rolex and their ADs are criticised. I don't care in the slightest what Rolex 'need to do' but I do see customers humiliated to an unthinkable degree -- and proud of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodia77 View Post
    This.



    With a few silvers and what's left of your dignity.
    Hardly much/any dignity in pointless hand wringing about these matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert75 View Post
    Very true I donít recall even bothering to check when I bought mine until I read people actually posting this stuff on the internet and actually seeing WTB for such stuff though as I say, the same could be said about the box, an empty box yet itís worth a few quid.
    Although the box, if it comes with the watch, is likely to be worth paying extra for to normal folk who only have a couple of watches and who probably keep their watches in the box, when not being worn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    or to make sure the outer white cardboard sleeve is present!
    Ive had someone refuse an unworn sports Rolex that was an absolute headache to get hold of because the white outer sleeve wasn't present.
    It had to be ordered in from the other side of the bloody world and he rejected it in store because it wasn't complete.
    Sold it a couple of days later and never did tell the guy that there were more white outer sleeves out the back than I can shake a stick at.

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    I understand how boring this is, Iíd argue itís slowly rotting parts of the forum.

    However Iíd argue itís neither ADs or Rolexís fault. Theyíre both ultimately trying to get watches too the right people. Although itís clearly not working.

    The biggest problem is speculators, non watch enthusiasts desperate t lo bag a sports Rolex for an immediate profit. Thatís why the countless, how do I get on a list, how do lists work, how to I build a relationship are so tedious and transparent. There may as well be a sticky Ď how to a make an immediate 5k by buying a watch? Fine, do it but be honest and keep it away from people who enjoy watches in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodder View Post
    I understand how boring this is, Iíd argue itís slowly rotting parts of the forum.

    However Iíd argue itís neither ADs or Rolexís fault. Theyíre both ultimately trying to get watches too the right people. Although itís clearly not working.

    The biggest problem is speculators, non watch enthusiasts desperate t lo bag a sports Rolex for an immediate profit. Thatís why the countless, how do I get on a list, how do lists work, how to I build a relationship are so tedious and transparent. There may as well be a sticky Ď how to a make an immediate 5k by buying a watch? Fine, do it but be honest and keep it away from people who enjoy watches in general.
    Well put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verv View Post
    Ive had someone refuse an unworn sports Rolex that was an absolute headache to get hold of because the white outer sleeve wasn't present.
    It had to be ordered in from the other side of the bloody world and he rejected it in store because it wasn't complete.
    Sold it a couple of days later and never did tell the guy that there were more white outer sleeves out the back than I can shake a stick at.
    Would he not have accepted one of those outer sleeve boxes instead?

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    I guess that it wasn't offered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robsmck View Post
    I guess that it wasn't offered.

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    Not sure why it would not be. Unless he was bit of a ......!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyman View Post
    Not sure why it would not be. Unless he was bit of a ......!
    The fact he wouldnít buy it without the white outer suggests he was...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodder View Post
    I understand how boring this is, Iíd argue itís slowly rotting parts of the forum.

    However Iíd argue itís neither ADs or Rolexís fault. Theyíre both ultimately trying to get watches too the right people. Although itís clearly not working.

    The biggest problem is speculators, non watch enthusiasts desperate t lo bag a sports Rolex for an immediate profit. Thatís why the countless, how do I get on a list, how do lists work, how to I build a relationship are so tedious and transparent. There may as well be a sticky Ď how to a make an immediate 5k by buying a watch? Fine, do it but be honest and keep it away from people who enjoy watches in general.
    Absolutely nailed it....

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    So to rationalise and be the devilís advocate for a moment, why then when I buy a thirty year old Rolex, do I want the same tags and original punched papers? Oh, and inner/outer box plus other peripherals. For me, because it is part of that overall experience of vintage. So, why not the same for new pieces?

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    Quote Originally Posted by verv View Post
    Ive had someone refuse an unworn sports Rolex that was an absolute headache to get hold of because the white outer sleeve wasn't present.
    It had to be ordered in from the other side of the bloody world and he rejected it in store because it wasn't complete.
    Sold it a couple of days later and never did tell the guy that there were more white outer sleeves out the back than I can shake a stick at.
    Blimey! Crazy irrationality there. I've had a couple of people on SC threads lose interest in SS Rolex Sports I've listed when they find out the original AD isn't a UK one. Once on an unworn Sub ND that was 10% below UK list! Like what the heck difference does the AD's location make with a worldwide warranty?!!? In this case it was Gassan in Schiphol Airport - hardly an unknown entity. I'll bet nobody cares now - this was a couple of years or so ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senwar View Post
    The fact he wouldnít buy it without the white outer suggests he was...
    Was kinda my thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Blimey! Crazy irrationality there. I've had a couple of people on SC threads lose interest in SS Rolex Sports I've listed when they find out the original AD isn't a UK one. Once on an unworn Sub ND that was 10% below UK list! Like what the heck difference does the AD's location make with a worldwide warranty?!!? In this case it was Gassan in Schiphol Airport - hardly an unknown entity. I'll bet nobody cares now - this was a couple of years or so ago.
    Sadly these days, the word Rolex brings out the worst in people.

    Idiots defending the policies (various depending on the dealers).

    Idiots claiming that the retention of various bits that the buyer is entitled to somehow strengthens the market/brand.

    Idiots claiming various nonsense about waiting times, purchase history and some bizarre prevention strategy for people asking for a deal on a multi-thousand pound watch.

    The situation has become ridiculous to the point that it is like a disease - it's a watch, there are other watches available. If you view it as the pinnacle of watches then you are way off the mark, seriously. Rolex are grooming a certain market - do not become it's next convert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    Sadly these days, the word Rolex brings out the worst in people.

    Idiots defending the policies (various depending on the dealers).

    Idiots claiming that the retention of various bits that the buyer is entitled to somehow strengthens the market/brand.

    Idiots claiming various nonsense about waiting times, purchase history and some bizarre prevention strategy for people asking for a deal on a multi-thousand pound watch.

    The situation has become ridiculous to the point that it is like a disease - it's a watch, there are other watches available. If you view it as the pinnacle of watches then you are way off the mark, seriously. Rolex are grooming a certain market - do not become it's next convert.
    All may well be true but one fact remains, Rolex are one of the few brands out there that have always managed to maintain to a large extent their value. Something even the average non watch enthusiast has recognised which is why they always seem to be the go to watch for people retiring, promotion etc something to hold onto. A fact Rolex are only too aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert75 View Post
    All may well be true but one fact remains, Rolex are one of the few brands out there that have always managed to maintain to a large extent their value. Something even the average non watch enthusiast has recognised which is why they always seem to be the go to watch for people retiring, promotion etc something to hold onto. A fact Rolex are only too aware of.
    Maybe, but the customer base they held over the years (myself included) are over this and the 'dance' that is required is dull.

    When I see somebody with an old Rolex I smile, the same does not occur when I see a current model being worn.
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    An aside re 'full-set'

    Hi

    Just read through the responses and found the phrase 'full-set' interesting.........

    Is there a 'full-set+' - just curious if a (service) warranty card from Rolex in Switzerland adds tad more to whatever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Low-Key View Post
    Hi

    Just read through the responses and found the phrase 'full-set' interesting.........

    Is there a 'full-set+' - just curious if a (service) warranty card from Rolex in Switzerland adds tad more to whatever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    Maybe, but the customer base they held over the years (myself included) are over this and the 'dance' that is required is dull.

    When I see somebody with an old Rolex I smile, the same does not occur when I see a current model being worn.
    But is that the watches or the people wearing them?

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    A very vivid imagination youíve got there Sir , keep on taking the tablets.
    I don't think that's in any way imagined. This stuff happens.

    Obviously for a reason... but it's all getting daft now.

    I understand why all these things happen. What they attempt to achieve and what they attempt to halt, but if the true enthusiasts are honest, it's spoiling the hobby.

    I've phoned rolex twice and both times they expressed astonishment at the idea that anything would be denied a customer... yet the AD was quaking in fear...

    ...we are all grownups... we know the deal.

    I'm off to put my SD back in its coffin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    When I see somebody with an old Rolex I smile, the same does not occur when I see a current model being worn.
    I wear a current model Rolex. I didn't jump through hoops, buy lots of expensive jewellery or PM watches, groom a relationship with an AD, pay over the odds on the secondary market or join a possibly non-existent waiting list. I walked into the shop, haggled a discount and walked out with the watch on my wrist, along with the warranty card and all the other bits and pieces. I was asked whether I wanted the stickers removed as a courtesy (I did) and the 'AD experience' was over in about 15 minutes once the bracelet was resized.

    I've enjoyed wearing it everyday since because it's a watch design I've long admired, and I've appreciated Rolex's no-fuss after-sales service when I've needed it.

    It'd be nice if critics of the company and its practices didn't tar all 'recent' Rolex owners as profit-chasing, AD-fluffing, trend slaves. Please.

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    To any normal person this must seem richly comic. You buy a Rolex or you don’t. You pay an excess or you don’t. Either way, Its just a mass-produced watch.
    Anyone who buys, say, a ceramic Daytona, soon realises it’s nice but pretty ordinary. Same with a Patek 5711. Nothing particularly special.
    None of these products lives-up to the hype. How could they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    I wear a current model Rolex. I didn't jump through hoops, buy lots of expensive jewellery or PM watches, groom a relationship with an AD, pay over the odds on the secondary market or join a possibly non-existent waiting list. I walked into the shop, haggled a discount and walked out with the watch on my wrist, along with the warranty card and all the other bits and pieces. I was asked whether I wanted the stickers removed as a courtesy (I did) and the 'AD experience' was over in about 15 minutes once the bracelet was resized.

    I've enjoyed wearing it everyday since because it's a watch design I've long admired, and I've appreciated Rolex's no-fuss after-sales service when I've needed it.

    It'd be nice if critics of the company and its practices didn't tar all 'recent' Rolex owners as profit-chasing, AD-fluffing, trend slaves. Please.
    Ok - shame the forum generally does not present the situation in this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    Maybe, but the customer base they held over the years (myself included) are over this and the 'dance' that is required is dull.

    When I see somebody with an old Rolex I smile, the same does not occur when I see a current model being worn.
    I wonder (as an owner of a vintage and modern Rolex) is that more of a nostalgia than anything else? When I look at a vintage Rolex is it really so good that its over x3 the value of say an Omega of the same age? Probably not but still, I doubt any vintage Rolex owner is complaining. Did I do a "dance"? No, to be honest. I asked, I ordered, I waited, I got a call, I went in and paid my money and walked out with a watch. Pretty much like I have no doubt many other people who are happy customers.

    Honestly it baffles me all this stuff over hang tags and bits of the packing if I didnt know they were worth anything I probably would have tossed them in the bin ages ago. In fact reading about stickers and bracelets.... When I went in I specifically asked him to resize the bracelet. It was my watch why on earth would I want it hanging off my wrist?

    While I love Rolex and appreciate that I may have something that will hold its value I also appreciate brands for their history and contribution to this hobby such as Zenith, Glashutte etc.... I guess that would be the difference between the WIS and the casual buyer but I still understand what the hold is that Rolex have on the general customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    Maybe, but the customer base they held over the years (myself included) are over this and the 'dance' that is required is dull.

    When I see somebody with an old Rolex I smile, the same does not occur when I see a current model being worn.
    I have two current models.

    Neither would command a price over rrp I believe. I bought them because I like them, not to make a profit or because they were in demand. I think they are particularly well made watches.

    I also have some older models, mainly because I like them too.

    I don't see why people have this seemingly fashionable attitude, of turning their noses up at others who like Rolex watches as though they are in some way so gauche.
    Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    Ok - shame the forum generally does not present the situation in this way.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    .......

    When I see somebody with an old Rolex I smile, the same does not occur when I see a current model being worn.
    Always ask 6 digit wearers if it's a real Rolex. They like that.

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    So is this now standard practice at all Rolex ADs? Or just a Goldsmiths policy

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    Always ask 6 digit wearers if it's a real Rolex. They like that.
    Is this what it has come to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMT2 View Post
    So is this now standard practice at all Rolex ADs? Or just a Goldsmiths policy
    Happened last time I bought a new Rolex, March this year IIRC, family owned AD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas View Post
    Always ask 6 digit wearers if it's a real Rolex. They like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by RAJEN View Post
    Is this what it has come to?
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    Seems like 6 digit wearers are the equivalent of 'new money'. Apparently!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    I wear a current model Rolex. I didn't jump through hoops, buy lots of expensive jewellery or PM watches, groom a relationship with an AD, pay over the odds on the secondary market or join a possibly non-existent waiting list. I walked into the shop, haggled a discount and walked out with the watch on my wrist, along with the warranty card and all the other bits and pieces. I was asked whether I wanted the stickers removed as a courtesy (I did) and the 'AD experience' was over in about 15 minutes once the bracelet was resized.

    I've enjoyed wearing it everyday since because it's a watch design I've long admired, and I've appreciated Rolex's no-fuss after-sales service when I've needed it.

    It'd be nice if critics of the company and its practices didn't tar all 'recent' Rolex owners as profit-chasing, AD-fluffing, trend slaves. Please.
    Thatís more or less my experience. I floated by an AD a few years ago, had a chat with the watches guy, tried on a few things, asked about Rolex, had a Submariner brought out for me, I tried it on and I said I liked it and I fancied one. AD simply said the one Iím holding was reserved earlier that day, but the next one to come in was mine if I wanted it.

    Couple of weeks later the same guy called, theyíd had a delivery and if I still wanted it, he had a Submariner for me. I asked if it could wait to the weekend, he said it could. The next Saturday the deal was done.

    There was no discount on mine, instead I got a whole slew of goodies to go with it. Some hats from other brands, a Patek wallet (which I have used every day since) and a promise Iíd go onto their VIP list and be invited to the odd event, which they made good on. To this day Iím invited to any events.

    I still have the watch, I wear it all the time and Iím amazed at how much people pay for them now.

    I find this ongoing business all rather unsavoury. The attitude of Rolex, the attitude of the dealers and the irrational attitude of buyers and enthusiasts alike on all side of the argument. I suppose itís easy for me to say wearing my Submariner as I type this, but I donít get it.

    I think if people got this passionate, this wound up about things that mattered, weíd live in a better world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSTW View Post
    Thatís more or less my experience. I floated by an AD a few years ago, had a chat with the watches guy, tried on a few things, asked about Rolex, had a Submariner brought out for me, I tried it on and I said I liked it and I fancied one. AD simply said the one Iím holding was reserved earlier that day, but the next one to come in was mine if I wanted it.

    Couple of weeks later the same guy called, theyíd had a delivery and if I still wanted it, he had a Submariner for me. I asked if it could wait to the weekend, he said it could. The next Saturday the deal was done.

    There was no discount on mine, instead I got a whole slew of goodies to go with it. Some hats from other brands, a Patek wallet (which I have used every day since) and a promise Iíd go onto their VIP list and be invited to the odd event, which they made good on. To this day Iím invited to any events.

    I still have the watch, I wear it all the time and Iím amazed at how much people pay for them now.

    I find this ongoing business all rather unsavoury. The attitude of Rolex, the attitude of the dealers and the irrational attitude of buyers and enthusiasts alike on all side of the argument. I suppose itís easy for me to say wearing my Submariner as I type this, but I donít get it.

    I think if people got this passionate, this wound up about things that mattered, weíd live in a better world.
    Pragnell's by any chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSTW View Post
    Thatís more or less my experience. I floated by an AD a few years ago, had a chat with the watches guy, tried on a few things, asked about Rolex, had a Submariner brought out for me, I tried it on and I said I liked it and I fancied one. AD simply said the one Iím holding was reserved earlier that day, but the next one to come in was mine if I wanted it.

    Couple of weeks later the same guy called, theyíd had a delivery and if I still wanted it, he had a Submariner for me. I asked if it could wait to the weekend, he said it could. The next Saturday the deal was done.

    There was no discount on mine, instead I got a whole slew of goodies to go with it. Some hats from other brands, a Patek wallet (which I have used every day since) and a promise Iíd go onto their VIP list and be invited to the odd event, which they made good on. To this day Iím invited to any events.

    I still have the watch, I wear it all the time and Iím amazed at how much people pay for them now.

    I find this ongoing business all rather unsavoury. The attitude of Rolex, the attitude of the dealers and the irrational attitude of buyers and enthusiasts alike on all side of the argument. I suppose itís easy for me to say wearing my Submariner as I type this, but I donít get it.

    I think if people got this passionate, this wound up about things that mattered, weíd live in a better world.
    Thatís the way it should work. Iíve always fancied a Sub and planned to get one for my 50th in a couple of years time. If itís still like this though I wonít bother getting involved in the silliness. Itís only a watch and thereís plenty of nice alternatives out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMC41 View Post
    Thatís the way it should work. Iíve always fancied a Sub and planned to get one for my 50th in a couple of years time. If itís still like this though I wonít bother getting involved in the silliness. Itís only a watch and thereís plenty of nice alternatives out there.


    Youíve always fancied a sub , but itís only a watch and thereís plenty of nice alternatives out there ?

    A bit contradictory at best .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluehase284 View Post
    Pragnell's by any chance?
    Actually yes, they were George Tarratt back then, but the same people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster73 View Post
    Youíve always fancied a sub , but itís only a watch and thereís plenty of nice alternatives out there ?

    A bit contradictory at best .
    If itís only a watch, then it doesnít matter if itís contradictory either, no?

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    When the Sea Dweller 116600 was still in production, I really fancied one. I still do to be honest, only the certainty of being killed by my wife if I buy one prevents my having one.

    Back when they were still in production, one day I was in Leicester and in a moment of uncharacteristic optimism, I wandered into Goldsmiths and struck up a conversation with the kid on the Rolex desk. We got to talking about watches, he was wearing his fatherís Explorer, I was wearing my Submariner - we talked about that for a bit. I told him I dive and that I was sure Iíd be one of the few customers he had who could claim to have got a Rolex diver wet. We talked about diving and I showed him a video of a dive down to military helicopter Iíd not long ago done where he could clearly see the Submariner I was wearing, on the dry suit, on the wreck. He may have been bored out of his mind but he seemed polite and interested.

    Conversation turned to my visit and I said I was thinking seriously about a Sea Dweller. Almost immediately, he said he knew of one in group stock at another store and he could get it. A few days later he called me back to say he had it and I arranged to go in a few days later.

    I saw the watch, tried it on and was ready to buy but to my lasting regret, my wifeís very clear direction that nobody would find my body popped into my head and I jibbed out of it. I wish Iíd bought it, it is the watch that got away.

    Still, back then this was a rare model apparently. Nobody had them, there were waiting lists. One conversation later, there was one in front of me, ready to buy.

    I know that now isnít then and that things have changed but I find it very hard to believe that demand for something most people donít want and canít afford has shot through the roof by so much in the last few years that there arenít any anywhere. I find it easy to believe that dealers try to weed out chancers and want to sell to the right people for them and for the brand.

    Iím not saying I have a magic formula, but what I would say is that if ever I want something that is meant to be in demand, I donít go in asking for it the same way everyone else does. Iím not a big spender, Iím not a celebrity or a VIP but I think saying I want X, Y or Z inside five minutes isnít going to get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSTW View Post
    When the Sea Dweller 116600 was still in production, I really fancied one. I still do to be honest, only the certainty of being killed by my wife if I buy one prevents my having one.

    Back when they were still in production, one day I was in Leicester and in a moment of uncharacteristic optimism, I wandered into Goldsmiths and struck up a conversation with the kid on the Rolex desk. We got to talking about watches, he was wearing his fatherís Explorer, I was wearing my Submariner - we talked about that for a bit. I told him I dive and that I was sure Iíd be one of the few customers he had who could claim to have got a Rolex diver wet. We talked about diving and I showed him a video of a dive down to military helicopter Iíd not long ago done where he could clearly see the Submariner I was wearing, on the dry suit, on the wreck. He may have been bored out of his mind but he seemed polite and interested.

    Conversation turned to my visit and I said I was thinking seriously about a Sea Dweller. Almost immediately, he said he knew of one in group stock at another store and he could get it. A few days later he called me back to say he had it and I arranged to go in a few days later.

    I saw the watch, tried it on and was ready to buy but to my lasting regret, my wifeís very clear direction that nobody would find my body popped into my head and I jibbed out of it. I wish Iíd bought it, it is the watch that got away.

    Still, back then this was a rare model apparently. Nobody had them, there were waiting lists. One conversation later, there was one in front of me, ready to buy.

    I know that now isnít then and that things have changed but I find it very hard to believe that demand for something most people donít want and canít afford has shot through the roof by so much in the last few years that there arenít any anywhere. I find it easy to believe that dealers try to weed out chancers and want to sell to the right people for them and for the brand.

    Iím not saying I have a magic formula, but what I would say is that if ever I want something that is meant to be in demand, I donít go in asking for it the same way everyone else does. Iím not a big spender, Iím not a celebrity or a VIP but I think saying I want X, Y or Z inside five minutes isnít going to get it done.
    That's certainly an excellent way of letting a receptive AD know that the watch would be in good hands. May help with an independent- with the big chains the SS allocations are often agreed at group level now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster73 View Post
    Youíve always fancied a sub , but itís only a watch and thereís plenty of nice alternatives out there ?

    A bit contradictory at best .
    No itís not, thereís no contradiction at all. It is only a watch and whilst Iíd like to own one at some point Iíll cope if I donít. When the time comes if itís still the same iíll just buy something else. Not difficult to comprehend is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMC41 View Post
    No it’s not, there’s no contradiction at all. It is only a watch and whilst I’d like to own one at some point I’ll cope if I don’t. When the time comes if it’s still the same i’ll just buy something else. Not difficult to comprehend is it?
    Put your name on some lists now, but be prepared to take one early....don’t turn one down is my advice (you’d likely beat the odd price increase too).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    That's certainly an excellent way of letting a receptive AD know that the watch would be in good hands. May help with an independent- with the big chains the SS allocations are often agreed at group level now

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    Iíve had a better experience at smaller chains or independents than at larger national chains. WoS and Goldsmiths would be the biggest? Iíve not really found them to be very knowledgeable or particularly friendly, bar the odd individual here and there. I donít doubt that turnover of staff is higher in the larger chains and so it fosters a very different culture in the staff.

    Itís almost ironic that with this talk of Rolex streamlining their distribution, which it seems may or may not be true, that their customers get, certainly in my experience, better service at the smaller chains and independents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyman View Post
    Not sure why it would not be. Unless he was bit of a ......!
    He was exceedingly rude and a little bit on the "I've got rolex and you're a mere salesgirl so can only dream of them" side which truthfully is a rarity as most people are dead pleasant and will chat watches over a coffee/beer while they're looking.
    It was a green dial Daytona right before it got hodinkeed.
    Could've supplied 10+ at market rate but he had a fixed budget at 3k less so I'd spent a good week scouring and badgering suppliers to get the price down. Succeeded and had one sent over.
    On arrival I had the "I told you I wanted a full set, the outer sleeve is missing, I want -1k as you've failed to supply complete goods yadda blah.
    Very sorry sir, refund in full, put the watch into stock at market rate, and someone infinitely less irritating walked out the door with it complete with white sleeve a few days before the damned thing exploded into the 50k bracket.
    They moved up virtually overnight so I kinda hope that he shafted himself. All it would've taken was a "I was hoping to have, have you got?" and he could've left happy.

    A few people since then have wanted the sleeve but if I cant guarantee arrival with it I just say that I have plenty and will make sure the sets are as complete as possible for them. It's really not the drama that some people treat it as.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verv View Post
    He was exceedingly rude and a little bit on the "I've got rolex and you're a mere salesgirl so can only dream of them" side which truthfully is a rarity as most people are dead pleasant and will chat watches over a coffee/beer while they're looking.
    It was a green dial Daytona right before it got hodinkeed.
    Could've supplied 10+ at market rate but he had a fixed budget at 3k less so I'd spent a good week scouring and badgering suppliers to get the price down. Succeeded and had one sent over.
    On arrival I had the "I told you I wanted a full set, the outer sleeve is missing, I want -1k as you've failed to supply complete goods yadda blah.
    Very sorry sir, refund in full, put the watch into stock at market rate, and someone infinitely less irritating walked out the door with it complete with white sleeve a few days before the damned thing exploded into the 50k bracket.
    They moved up virtually overnight so I kinda hope that he shafted himself. All it would've taken was a "I was hoping to have, have you got?" and he could've left happy.

    A few people since then have wanted the sleeve but if I cant guarantee arrival with it I just say that I have plenty and will make sure the sets are as complete as possible for them. It's really not the drama that some people treat it as.
    I like that story. Thanks.

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    Things will continue to get desperate and clearly only resellers interested in a quick buck will be troubled. Those who are genuine collectors or enthusiasts will simply buy or leave the product.If you want it then take it if it's a hassle leave it.

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    There is no clear policy, It wasn't that long ago a picked up a Deep Blue DSSD, fully stickered, bezel thingy, coffin and all paperwork. They did insist on keeping the white hang tag though. Didn't bother me, however the past few I have bought have all come in different configs.

    Still its a watch at RRP, would rather that and miss out on an irrelevant bit of plastic.


    Feel a bit dirty now posting on this thread, I will be chiming in a price rise thread next.

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