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    Seiko SKX or Orient Mako/Ray??

    Over the last couple of years Iíve had about 4 SKXís, dunno what it is but I seem to get bored of them very quickly and flip them. I kind of regretted flipping my most recent one, a J version that had the best alignment and best timekeeping Iíd had on an SKX, but not enough to make me want to go back in for another.

    Last week went to remote Wales for a lot of adventuring and water sporting with the kids. For a little holiday beater I managed to pick up a Mako II off SC for under £100, put a curved end rubber strap on it and have to say Iíve been far more enamoured with it than the SKX;



    I get that the SKX is both ISO certified and something of an icon. But I feel the Mako II is much better value for money. A new SKX will cost you north of £250 these days; a new Mako II or Ray can be bought on Amazon for about £120. I think the finish is much nicer; you get applied markers, an applied logo, a signed crown and a nicely framed day/date window.

    Crystal wise Iím not sure Hardlex offers anything better than the mineral found on the Orient. In lume the SKX wins hands down, no question about that. Both offer in house movements, but the Orients gives you hacking and hand winding. The stock bracelets that come with either are nothing to write home about, hence me changing the Mako to the curved rubber. The bezel markers on the Mako are a bit weedy looking, that would be my main change if I was updating it. The proportions are good though - 41mm case, 47mm lug length, 22mm lug width. Lugs are nicely curved too.

    Iím really enjoying this watch so far and as a value proposition I think itís very hard to beat. Iím not saying itís miles better than the SKX, Iím saying I donít think thereís really anything in it at all and when you think a new one of these is at least half the price of a new SKX, it makes you question what else youíre getting for your money with Seiko.



    Incidentally has anyone seen the new SKX influenced Seiko 5ís? Are we expecting these to replace the SKX? To me they are aesthetically pleasing but essentially a Ďdive styleí watch, not a proper diving tool watch like the SKX.


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    Thumbs up for Orient

    I agree about the Orient. Iíve had the odd Orient before and been delighted with the quality.

    Also, those are great photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidj54 View Post

    Incidentally has anyone seen the new SKX influenced Seiko 5ís? Are we expecting these to replace the SKX? To me they are aesthetically pleasing but essentially a Ďdive styleí watch, not a proper diving tool watch like the SKX.


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    Yes Ive seen the skx inspired sport 5s.

    I think they look great and if priced competitively will sell well.

    100m wr and a handwind hacking skx esque look.

    My opinion is that the srp turtle has succeeded the skx and that some of the skx production processes have been modded to produce the sport 5 line.

    The sharkey skx ive pictured is a good way to stay with a diver variant of the skx if a screwdown crown is a deal breaker.

    Other thing is these sport 5 models give loads of mod options so its a win win.

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    What is the difference between the Orient Mako movement and the Seiko for AR-15?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidj54 View Post
    Incidentally has anyone seen the new SKX influenced Seiko 5’s? Are we expecting these to replace the SKX?
    No. They are not a replacement. The turtle is a replacement for the skx.
    The new seiko 5's are heavily styled on the skx but they are not dive watches and not aimed at people who want dive watches.
    The marketing campaign looks to be aiming at teens & students who want a watch that looks classic but has some nice colors and textures to go with different clothes/shoes. Its not aimed at divers or people who want ISO certification.

    Quote Originally Posted by magpie215 View Post
    Yes Ive seen the skx inspired sport 5s.

    I think they look great and if priced competitively will sell well.

    100m wr and a handwind hacking skx esque look.
    Retail starting at 280 euros, which is a bit steep IMO for what they are. They are no doubt well put together, and stylish (if what they are floats your boat of course), but they cost more than an SKX!
    That said, they seem to slot nicely into seikos new pricing strategy, below prospex. They are probably worth the asking, but one of the key things that defines seiko (at least for me) was that you got more than what you paid for, the item was of a quality that belied its price. Now we are getting products whos quality reflects the price. Thats fair i guess, but it means less value for consumers and that seiko has lost something that was part of its make up.
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    Where is the curved-end rubber strap from please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson_smyth View Post
    Retail starting at 280 euros
    Who pays mrsp on Seiko.

    Im thinking when the initial rush dies off and the prices even out they could.be a great buy.

    There are a couple I'd certainly consider buying.

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    Orient you say. I love mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colin t View Post
    Where is the curved-end rubber strap from please?
    Echo that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post
    Echo that...
    It was just from eBay, took a chance on one and it fit nicely

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F382652349344

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    Quote Originally Posted by colin t View Post
    Where is the curved-end rubber strap from please?
    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F382652349344

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidj54 View Post
    It was just from eBay, took a chance on one and it fit nicely

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F382652349344
    Thanks

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    Tempting for £10....

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    I have the Gen 1 Orient Mako in blue.

    Cracking little watch, and my go-to for all holidays. A more refined option than the SKX, with the sunburst dial & applied fixtures.

    No hacking or hand-winding, but that doesn't bother me.

    The hollow end-links on the Gen 1 are a bit of a pain, but I've managed to sort the infamously stiff bezel. Strangely, I rather like the odd date-pusher button.

    I've given it some fairly brutal treatment, but it's kept on running well.

    Incredible value for the £105.91 (inc. delivery) I paid for it new, back in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidj54 View Post
    Over the last couple of years Iíve had about 4 SKXís, dunno what it is but I seem to get bored of them very quickly and flip them. I kind of regretted flipping my most recent one, a J version that had the best alignment and best timekeeping Iíd had on an SKX, but not enough to make me want to go back in for another.

    Last week went to remote Wales for a lot of adventuring and water sporting with the kids. For a little holiday beater I managed to pick up a Mako II off SC for under £100, put a curved end rubber strap on it and have to say Iíve been far more enamoured with it than the SKX;



    I get that the SKX is both ISO certified and something of an icon. But I feel the Mako II is much better value for money. A new SKX will cost you north of £250 these days; a new Mako II or Ray can be bought on Amazon for about £120. I think the finish is much nicer; you get applied markers, an applied logo, a signed crown and a nicely framed day/date window.

    Crystal wise Iím not sure Hardlex offers anything better than the mineral found on the Orient. In lume the SKX wins hands down, no question about that. Both offer in house movements, but the Orients gives you hacking and hand winding. The stock bracelets that come with either are nothing to write home about, hence me changing the Mako to the curved rubber. The bezel markers on the Mako are a bit weedy looking, that would be my main change if I was updating it. The proportions are good though - 41mm case, 47mm lug length, 22mm lug width. Lugs are nicely curved too.

    Iím really enjoying this watch so far and as a value proposition I think itís very hard to beat. Iím not saying itís miles better than the SKX, Iím saying I donít think thereís really anything in it at all and when you think a new one of these is at least half the price of a new SKX, it makes you question what else youíre getting for your money with Seiko.



    Incidentally has anyone seen the new SKX influenced Seiko 5ís? Are we expecting these to replace the SKX? To me they are aesthetically pleasing but essentially a Ďdive styleí watch, not a proper diving tool watch like the SKX.


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    For the price that looks really good.

    I've never been able to make my mind up about the SKX.

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