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    Quote Originally Posted by vortgern View Post
    To update the thread I did receive a refund yesterday (after a wait of two weeks).
    That's great news, but let's be fair it's only part of the news we all want to hear.

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    Advice required on a difficult situation

    Good news; just a shame it had to take so long.
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    Great to hear you got your money back but after all that it must feel like you've had to earn it back in wages for all the work.

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    Glad it has been sorted for you. Still a bit stressful.


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    Sounds like it might have been a payday loan then.
    Regardless is good that you eventually got your money back and if it’s the seller I think it is, they are well worth avoiding in future.

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    Advice required on a difficult situation

    Can you leave a post in H&V, as it would be good for all to know who this was so they can make an informed decision before dealing with?

    As an aside, a very embarrassing show from one individual in this thread.
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    Great news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt8500 View Post
    Can you leave post an H&V, as it would be good for all to know who this was so they can make an informed decision before dealing with?

    As an aside, a very embarrassing show from one individual in this thread.
    This 100% I would never want any dealing with this person.

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    Glad for you. Undeserved worrying.

    I hope the vagueness over the seller doesn't result in the 'innocent' being suspected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky Four Fingers View Post
    This 100% I would never want any dealing with this person.
    Aye, you can see the voodoo doll coming out tonight for a poke with a needle as he didn't get his way with vortgern losing his money!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vortgern View Post
    To update the thread I did receive a refund yesterday (after a wait of two weeks).

    I have donated £20 to the fundraiser in appreciation of the help and support of the majority of members here.
    Glad you got your money back, with regards to issues like this, I think a full Villain post is needed to protect the rest of the community.

    Next time it might be more money or worse no refund at all..

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    Glad you got this sorted. Must be a relief

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    Glad this is resolved.

    Posting in H&V would enable the seller to give his version of the story and provide an explanation.

    All very strange, the ‘payday loan’ theory sounds implausible but possibly the seller was selling the watch to raise funds quickly, when the watch gave problems it put him in a difficult situation if the money had been used. We don’t know the full story, the only way the seller can hope to redeem himself is by giving his side, which I hope he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walkerwek1958 View Post
    the ‘payday loan’ theory sounds implausible but possibly the seller was selling the watch to raise funds quickly, when the watch gave problems it put him in a difficult situation if the money had been used. We don’t know the full story, the only way the seller can hope to redeem himself is by giving his side, which I hope he will.
    That's very glass half full. This wouldn't be the first instance of a payday loan scenario playing out on SC, if that's what it turns out to be.

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    Pleased for you Vortgern - Trust is everything on this forum along with the need for good communication from people we deal with

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    Quote Originally Posted by vortgern View Post
    To update the thread I did receive a refund yesterday (after a wait of two weeks).

    I have donated £20 to the fundraiser in appreciation of the help and support of the majority of members here.
    What a relief and well done for handling it well and for the fundraiser contribution.

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    Good to hear you got your money back, I second/third the notion re H&V post.

    Nice gesture to chip in to the Fundraiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walkerwek1958 View Post
    Glad this is resolved.

    Posting in H&V would enable the seller to give his version of the story and provide an explanation.

    All very strange, the ‘payday loan’ theory sounds implausible
    I would say the exact opposite, it sounds extremely plausible. I don’t think for one second it started out that way, but delaying repaying effectively turned it into an interest free payday loan. Even more so considering that one of his excuses was not having enough money in his account to refund the OP.

    I agree though after asking for advice on a thread here and getting 6 pages worth of responses the OP should post in H&V. Firstly to hopefully ensure no one else loses out by not be aware of what’s happened - at least they can make an informed judgement before choosing to deal with the seller. Secondly as you say, to give the seller a right of reply should he choose it.

    It’s having 3 different and totally varied excuses that doesn’t stack up and whatever the real reason, we’ll never actually know regardless of what we may be told - there’s a very small outside chance it could have been all 3.

    Anyway glad the OP has his money back.

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    I raise my glass for a toast to you. Well done, and very relaxed management of the situation
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    I’m glad this has resolved as it should, OP. I’ll add my voice to the chorus asking for a full H&V post; aside from those whose posts commend them to such a list, it’s really helpful to know other members whose behaviour fails to measure up. I’ve never had an issue on SC and I don’t want to start now.

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    Glad you got it sorted and well done for keeping your dignity in the process, despite the totally unnecessary dialogue from another member intended to gloat on the situation. Memories are long on the forum.

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    Relieved to hear that you get your money back. That sort of misbehaviour can be quite damaging to the general level of confidence most of us here enjoy in the integrity of the TZ-UK marketplace for goods, and services.
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    I'm glad this got sorted Vortgern

    It leaves a bad taste regardless and should serve to remind us all how trustworthy people can be until they are not.

    Someone who can't be trusted with upwards of 1k should be named.

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    I'm curious to understand the point of this thread as quite clearly the seller comes across as a chancer that many would sooner not deal with, but we still await a name, or did I miss that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    I'm curious to understand the point of this thread as quite clearly the seller comes across as a chancer that many would sooner not deal with, but we still await a name, or did I miss that?
    It wasn't difficult to trace back. I've PMd you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    I'm curious to understand the point of this thread as quite clearly the seller comes across as a chancer that many would sooner not deal with, but we still await a name, or did I miss that?
    Yes it appears you did miss that number 2. He was named early on in this thread. This is what made me livid. The guy was given no time to defend himself. Vortgern did the same to me a few months ago having refused to discuss the matter privately first by phone or email. I have repaired hundreds of watches for members of this forum over the last nine years and can count complaints on one hand. In my case I was accused of returning a cheap Rotary watch not working after I had spent a considerable time getting it right.
    I don't want to see anyone lose money on a deal but I still feel that the OP rather rushed to publish the seller, causing a public storm on what used to be a reasonable forum, when the matter may well have been amicably sorted between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    Yes it appears you did miss that number 2. He was named early on in this thread. This is what made me livid. The guy was given no time to defend himself. Vortgern did the same to me a few months ago having refused to discuss the matter privately first by phone or email. I have repaired hundreds of watches for members of this forum over the last nine years and can count complaints on one hand. In my case I was accused of returning a cheap Rotary watch not working after I had spent a considerable time getting it right.
    I don't want to see anyone lose money on a deal but I still feel that the OP rather rushed to publish the seller, causing a public storm on what used to be a reasonable forum, when the matter may well have been amicably sorted between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    And yes ... I'm delighted that liar lost his money
    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    I don't want to see anyone lose money on a deal
    So which is it?

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    So which is it?
    Basicallly it's an apology without actually apologising. The kind of apology where you realised you've dropped a large one. The kind of apology when you were a little kid and your mum makes you apologise to your little sister for gobbin in to her cornflakes. The kind of apology where you apologise but you don't really want to......you know the one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky Four Fingers View Post
    Basicallly it's an apology without actually apologising. The kind of apology where you realised you've dropped a large one. The kind of apology when you were a little kid and your mum makes you apologise to your little sister for gobbin in to her cornflakes. The kind of apology where you apologise but you don't really want to......you know the one.
    Or the kind of apology where you still blame the customer for having the audacity to criticise your work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    Vortgern did the same to me a few months ago having refused to discuss the matter privately first by phone or email. In my case I was accused of returning a cheap Rotary watch not working after I had spent a considerable time getting it right.
    That’ll be the one where you charged him double the estimated cost because you had to buy a second movement, having damaged the first by trying to squash it into a space too small for it to fit.

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    The thread that keeps on giving.
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    The OP clearly doesn’t want to hoist the seller onto the scaffold in H and V. Anyone who wants a private lynching can do so by using the sellers name, the model of watch disclosed earlier in the thread and the search facility to reach the sales post in question. Wouldn’t it be better to move on from this sewer of a thread?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    I don't want to see anyone lose money on a deal but I still feel that the OP rather rushed to publish the seller, causing a public storm on what used to be a reasonable forum, when the matter may well have been amicably sorted between them.

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    OP didn’t publish the seller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    Yes it appears you did miss that number 2. He was named early on in this thread. This is what made me livid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    I still feel that the OP rather rushed to publish the seller, causing a public storm on what used to be a reasonable forum, when the matter may well have been amicably sorted between them.

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    Please show where in this thread I have named the seller.

    I started this thread to ask for advice without naming the seller. I have received advice. I have made a small donation to the fundraiser in appreciation of the help and support I received.


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    The guy was given no time to defend himself.
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    The seller was given time to refund me and has made fair restitution in the given timescale.

    As far as I am concerned the matter is now sorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    Vortgern did the same to me a few months ago having refused to discuss the matter privately first by phone or email.
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    I did discuss privately with you by email on 5 May, 7 May and 8 May. You emailed back on 8 May and out of the blue accused me, your paying customer, of having an ‘extremely ungrateful attitude’. Only then did I post here asking for advice. If you hadn’t decided to insult me I would not have posted here.

    You then published my customer data online without consent, called me a liar online several times before admitting you had no evidence for making that statement, and left voicemails at my place of work.

    On 28 May I donated the £95 which you refunded me to the fundraiser to resolve the matter.

    On 10 August you posted that you saw ‘Karma at work’ when my £1375 was not refunded, and you twice again accused me of being a liar without providing any evidence.

    On 11 August you posted:

    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    I'm delighted that liar lost his money.

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    I am really not the one ‘causing a public storm’ here.

    Webwatchmaker, I am prepared to put all of this behind us and move on in return for your apology and a donation by you to the fundraiser.

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    That’ll be the one where you charged him double the estimated cost because you had to buy a second movement, having damaged the first by trying to squash it into a space too small for it to fit.[/QUOTE]

    Absolutely. The original movement was obsolete and the replacement advertised as a substitute did not fit. OP was made aware of the extra time and cost involved and agreed to it. I was happy describing the problem I had with the first movement.
    'No good deed goes unpunished' is the bottom line here. When the watch was returned it was working.
    The point being that I was published without first having any opportunity to resolve the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vortgern View Post
    I did discuss privately with you by email on 5 May, 7 May and 8 May. You emailed back on 8 May and out of the blue accused me, your paying customer, of having an ‘extremely ungrateful attitude’. Only then did I post here asking for advice. If you hadn’t decided to insult me I would not have posted here.

    You then published my customer data online without consent, called me a liar online several times before admitting you had no evidence for making that statement, and left voicemails at my place of work.

    On 28 May I donated the £95 which you refunded me to the fundraiser to resolve the matter.

    On 10 August you posted that you saw ‘Karma at work’ when my £1375 was not refunded, and you twice again accused me of being a liar without providing any evidence.

    On 11 August you posted:




    I am really not the one ‘causing a public storm’ here.

    Webwatchmaker, I am prepared to put all of this behind us and move on in return for your apology and a donation by you to the fundraiser.
    OK. I'm happy to put this matter behind us as well and apologise for saying that I hope you lose your money. That was spiteful. Since you claim the watch still does not work I will look at it again to see why, as it is of great sentimental value to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    OK. I'm happy to put this matter behind us as well and apologise for saying that I hope you lose your money. That was spiteful. Since you claim the watch still does not work I will look at it again to see why, as it is of great sentimental value to you.

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    Christ Brendan, would you just stop it? You started off so well in that post but had to throw in a smart-arse dig at the end. Why are you so intent on destroying any shred of a good reputation you might have left?

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    because he REALLY can't see what a complete dick he has made of himself , and believes it's EVERYBODY else!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Hotel View Post
    Christ Brendan, would you just stop it? You started off so well in that post but had to throw in a smart-arse dig at the end. Why are you so intent on destroying any shred of a good reputation you might have left?
    Ask Vortgern ! He told me though of little value it was of great sentimental value as it reminded him of a watch he had owned. No smart ass dig whatsoever.

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    Brendan. You're getting members chipping in here now, myself included, that have had NO dealings with you whatsoever in the past. That in itself should be telling you something.

    I'm fairly sure most everyone who's read this or the previous posts on the same subject will have made their minds up one way or the other by now.

    Continually repeating yourself ad infinitum, insulting the TZ membership, childish ha-ha's about mis-spelt words, spiteful comments that are retracted then reasserted; apologised for then re-stated.. It comes across as vindictive, and possibly a little unstable.

    You seem utterly bent on having the last word, with no regard or perception of the consequence. You've gone at pains to tell us you don't need anyone on this forum's business, yet here you are, and you must have spent an inordinate amount of your time over the last few days posting and re-posting what amounts to the exact same comments and accusations.

    Anyone who was going to take your side (if that's what you're hoping) will have 100% done so by now. It really is time to end the vendetta and move on, for your own sanity as much as ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcleminson View Post
    Brendan. You're getting members chipping in here now, myself included, that have had NO dealings with you whatsoever in the past. That in itself should be telling you something.

    I'm fairly sure most everyone who's read this or the previous posts on the same subject will have made their minds up one way or the other by now.

    Continually repeating yourself ad infinitum, insulting the TZ membership, childish ha-ha's about mis-spelt words, spiteful comments that are retracted then reasserted; apologised for then re-stated.. It comes across as vindictive, and possibly a little unstable.

    You seem utterly bent on having the last word, with no regard or perception of the consequence. You've gone at pains to tell us you don't need anyone on this forum's business, yet here you are, and you must have spent an inordinate amount of your time over the last few days posting and re-posting what amounts to the exact same comments and accusations.

    Anyone who was going to take your side (if that's what you're hoping) will have 100% done so by now. It really is time to end the vendetta and move on, for your own sanity as much as ours.
    Read post #288.

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    FFS, Brendan, time to put the spade down now, son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vortgern View Post
    Please show where in this thread I have named the seller.

    I started this thread to ask for advice without naming the seller. I have received advice. I have made a small donation to the fundraiser in appreciation of the help and support I received.





    The seller was given time to refund me and has made fair restitution in the given timescale.

    As far as I am concerned the matter is now sorted.
    Bad form not to name the seller. All very well thanking TZ for support but w/o naming him others are going to have to go through this.
    You may have a satisfactory outcome but it was a far from satisfactory deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    Read post #288.

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    I did Brendan. But I also read posts #202 and #241

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    OK. I'm happy to put this matter behind us as well and apologise for saying that I hope you lose your money. That was spiteful. Since you claim the watch still does not work I will look at it again to see why, as it is of great sentimental value to you.

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    But you don’t apologise for calling the OP a liar without any evidence?

    Edit. And I don’t mean the the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Webwatchmaker View Post
    The guy was given no time to defend himself.
    The thread has been started on the 6th of August. It is now the 15th. The guy has had enough time to defend himself: 9 days to be precise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Bad form not to name the seller. All very well thanking TZ for support but w/o naming him others are going to have to go through this.
    You may have a satisfactory outcome but it was a far from satisfactory deal.
    This. Irrespective of the reasons given for the watch being damaged etc, the seller spent the money before the deal was complete.

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