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    Advice required on a difficult situation

    UPDATE

    To update the thread I did receive a refund on 13/08/2019 with fair restitution (after a wait of two weeks) and I consider this now sorted.

    Outcome of thread posted here:
    https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...776-thebuffoon

    I have donated £20 to the fundraiser in appreciation of the help and support of the majority of members here.

    ORIGINAL POST

    Advice required on a difficult situation please.

    I sent well over £1000 by bank transfer on Wednesday 31 July for a watch on SC.

    I received a reply that the seller wouldnít be able to post until Thursday but that he would send tracking Thursday when posted. This was fine with me.

    I never received the tracking and by the afternoon of Friday 2 August it was clear nothing was going to be delivered that day.

    I messaged the seller on Friday afternoon and was told the watch had been knocked out of his hand by his dog while he was packing it and it had stopped and he had therefore not sent it.

    I was a bit surprised that the seller hadnít bothered to contact me about this on Thursday and had let me wait for a delivery all Friday morning.

    I replied that a refund would be best in the circumstances and gave my bank details.

    I didnít hear anything at all Saturday.

    By Sunday afternoon I still hadnít heard anything so I sent my bank details again.

    On Sunday evening I received a reply that the seller didnít have enough in his account to refund me in full but would pay me back on Tuesday.

    I texted the number he gave me this afternoon and received a reply 2.5 hours later that he is just waiting for his mother to die.

    He has my sympathies, I donít want to bother someone at a difficult time, and I donít expect to be a priority in those circumstances, but how long am I now supposed to wait?

    My gut is now telling me to report this to the Police. Not something I want to do, but my only alternative is to put my trust in a stranger who has already given me three different reasons why I donít have either a watch or a refund.
    Last edited by vortgern; 16th August 2019 at 10:55.

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    Poor form, seller should just pay up and move on, no excuses just deal with it. Sorry you are having to deal with this, it's totally unfair.

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    I agree, it sounds like bull to me as well (the dog one especially). Even if true, it's not difficult to process a refund, takes a few mins. [I'm not belittling any difficult situation, I've had my own, including my mum's passing.]. I suspect the police (even if interested in a private sale) would tell you to wait a little longer.

    Good luck. Keep us posted.

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    The police wonít be interested, certainly not now and probably never unless the person concerned has a history as a serial fraudster.

    At this point as frustrating as it is you really need to sit tight. If there is something dreadful going on in the personís life then naming and shaming at this stage would be premature and in my opinion unfair.

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    Tough situation to be in for (both) of you.

    As others have said, the police won't be interested, at least yet.

    Sit tight, try and get some or set some specific timeframes in place with him.

    Good luck.

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    Sounds like rubbish if you ask me. Either way, unnaceptable to spend the funds before the transaction is complete.

    I doubt the police will care.

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    Who is the seller? Perhaps somone here knows them personally

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    The watch was purchased on SC? Name them here then.

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    Sounds very poor to me. No excuse for not refunding. If not able to transfer immediately, I would be going to collect in person, but thats just me...

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    Without outing Him how well regarded is He on the forum?That May give You an indication of whether His word is good or not .

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    Is it the buffoon's MM300?

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    Sorry to hear this, very frustrating. It's always hard dealing with this sort of thing as on one hand you want to believe the stories and on the other if your well enough to be selling a watch you should be able to deal with a refund. Not a lot you can do at the minute except hang on
    Last edited by awright101; 6th August 2019 at 18:45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seadog1408 View Post
    Is it the buffoon's MM300?
    Certainly seems to be the obvious contender.

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    I think the advice you have received so far to be absolutely spot on. Further, if the seller has feedback in the H&V section, you might believe his somewhat strange-but-could-be-true excuses. Either way, you should also get a better feeling from his previous posts.....after all, he must have more than 250 to be allowed to sell on SC. Whilst spending the cash before dispatch is poor form, if his mother is waiting for the Reaper, he may not be his usual self. Cut him a few days slack before any further action.


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    OP:
    I would suggest the setting of a deadline, e.g. x days and letting the seller know that, whilst you sympathise with his situation, he must either have the watch in your hands/refund of your money by then otherwise you will commence legal action and post the details in H&V here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seadog1408 View Post
    Is it the buffoon's MM300?
    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post
    Certainly seems to be the obvious contender.
    If so, he has sterling and voluminous feedback in H&V. Can't imagine him jeopardizing that for a bit over a grand.

    Hope the situation gets resolved for both parties.

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    As has already been said due to reasons / excuses given you should give more time before pursuing further. However a bank transfer takes no time at all and from experience no matter what was going on in my life I would want to get this off my plate.

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    3 different stories.... Each escalating the excuse level? B.S.

    No consistency to that line of stories at all.

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    Certainly a seller to avoid by the sounds of it
    The first and right thing he should do is return your monies

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    100% .....think I used the same dog story before when I was lying.

    That said , I was only 10 and said it ate my homework rather than wagged its tail , knocked a £1000 watch out my hands and broke it , just before my mother took ill

    I seriously hope I am made to eat my words ......but I deffo think 1 word ; "Jack-a-feckin-nory"


    Quote Originally Posted by jukeboxs View Post
    I agree, it sounds like bull to me as well (the dog one especially). Even if true, it's not difficult to process a refund, takes a few mins. [I'm not belittling any difficult situation, I've had my own, including my mum's passing.]. I suspect the police (even if interested in a private sale) would tell you to wait a little longer.

    Good luck. Keep us posted.

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    You sent by BT then nothing the Bank or the Police will do all you can hope it comes good if not just out the seller on the forum

    Good luck hope it turns out right.
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    Do you have his name and address?

    If so, 7 day warning letter and then issue Court proceedings for return of the monies due.

    I can help you draft if needs be.

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    Set him a deadline with threat to escalate legally if not resolved; someone here will have his address if you don't have it.

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    Ah, the old sick and/or dying relative. You can't beat the classics!

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    Seems a bit odd to be selling a watch whilst your mother is in a life threatening condition. Unless that all happened suddenly in which case it clearly will be your priority.

    Seems remote to me that there is an accident during despatch and also just at that time the sellers mum becomes seriously ill? Guess itís possible .....


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    Itís up there with the member who claimed his teenage son had accessed his account here and posted a watch for sale with the poster taking umbrage at well intentioned comments about the provenance of the watch.

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    Sounds like a payday loan, except it's past payday. Report to Police I'd say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyE View Post
    3 different stories.... Each escalating the excuse level? B.S.

    No consistency to that line of stories at all.
    Agreed.

    Set a deadline for payment within 48 hours.

    If no payment report to the police and out him on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vortgern View Post
    I received a reply that the seller didnít have enough in his account to refund me in full
    Who spends the money before they know the watch has arrived safe and sound? Who spends the money knowing that the watch is never going to arrive?

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    Sounds like heís getting the excuses from a country & western song . Bet the dog dies next and his wife is leaving.....

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    Next he will be telling you you need to wait until his inheritance comes through.

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    ďdidnít have enough in his account to refund me in fullĒ does it for me! How does that work when youíve just been paid for a watch?

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    No excuses for not immediately refunding you in this case. You should immediately report this as a fraud and disclose the sellers identity to the forum. Disgraceful behaviour on the part of the seller


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    Quote Originally Posted by spud767 View Post
    Sounds like a payday loan, except it's past payday. Report to Police I'd say.
    Due to the timing I think this is the case, too many excuses, see if a local member could pop in

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    Quote Originally Posted by David_D View Post
    ďdidnít have enough in his account to refund me in fullĒ does it for me! How does that work when youíve just been paid for a watch?
    Not making excuses but simply reasoning that he may have been overdrawn to some extent when the finds were received. However, sounds like too many other things going on. Who knows what's true other than the seller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kungfupanda View Post
    Do you have his name and address?

    If so, 7 day warning letter and then issue Court proceedings for return of the monies due.

    I can help you draft if needs be.
    Because of the list of reasons, ^^^^ this, and thatís a kind and helpful offer.

    You have been very considerate and thatís to be applauded but I think it borders on acquiescence now. If it was me I would send a friendly but firm final message, a day to refund or youíll start the reclamation process as above.

    I lost my mother over the course of a fortnight earlier in the year, thereís always ten minutes to do a bank transfer.

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    If you have his number to text, you could try ringing him. You could offer your sympathies for his situation, but also tell him you need either the watch or your money back.
    Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway.

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    You've been ripped off regardless of his personal situation. Put the name and the facts and a link to this in H+V and people can make their own minds up and decide if they want to deal with him.
    It's there to protect the members in these exact situations.

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    Itís very easy to find out his full name, where he works, title at work, work mobile number and work email address.

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    Well I would say You now have plenty of good advice so keep us informed of the outcome

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    Maybe jumping to conclusion, but you quoted OP without comment

    https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...-SBDX017J-OHPF

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    Many thanks for the replies and advice.

    I have via text message given the seller a further period to refund me, and informed him that Iíll begin legal action and post details in H&V if I donít have my £1375 refund by then.

    Iíll update this post / H&V if there are developments.

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    I’ve been through some shit over the last few years but that’s no excuse for this sort of behaviour. If he’s going through bad times that doesn’t give him the right to steal your money or mess you about. It’s a 2 minute job to return your money. He’s added to my “list”. Hope you get this sorted quickly.
    I think you should make a H&V post whether or not he sorts this out so others know what they may be dealing with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vortgern View Post
    Many thanks for the replies and advice.

    I have via text message given the seller a further period to refund me, and informed him that Iíll begin legal action and post details in H&V if I donít have my £1375 refund by then.

    Iíll update this post / H&V if there are developments.

    It shouldnít be you having to jump through hoops to ensure your money is refunded to you. I donít understand how the seller could say he didnít have the funds to refund you so soon after you transferred the cash. He shouldnít have considered the funds his until you received the watch and confirmed you were happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabiscuit View Post
    I donít understand how the seller could say he didnít have the funds to refund you so soon after you transferred the cash.
    If the money was transferred into an account with an unauthorised overdraft, only the credit balance would be available for refund. I reckon this is what happened. Name and shame.

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    I suspect

    The police would not deem this a criminal matter and are likely to suggest it is a civil dispute.

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    Very poor form, it sounds like every time you back him into a corner another bigger excuse comes out, when I have had family upset in the past I just want to clear the decks and not have any hassles, not sure why you would mount more pressure on yourself buy keeping a watch and someones money if its true about his mother.

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    I read the bit about the dog and the fact that he never contacted the buyer to let him know what had happened, that to me is enough to convince me the seller is full of crap. Even if it was true with the dog, without fail I would have let the seller know and refunded, it only takes seconds with online banking to transfer money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    , when I have had family upset in the past I just want to clear the decks and not have any hassles, not sure why you would mount more pressure on yourself
    This. Why make life harder when you have enough problems as it is.

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    Two things never fail to amaze me in cases like this. One, the pathetically tiny £ value for which some people will destroy their reputation; and two, that these characters think they'll ever get away with it on this forum.

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