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    Boiler gone - Repace? With what?

    My central heating boiler (heat only, not a combi) is now obsolete and has to be replaced. With what I ask? Do I have a modern gas boiler or should I go electric heating, or something else? All suggestions welcomed. No rush to change as the heating will not (hopefully) be required until late September/October.

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    Replace with a Gas boiler, I recommend a Worcester or valiant.
    Last edited by CaptainSlow; 8th July 2019 at 19:00.

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    Vaillant with a 7 year warranty

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    Iíd say stick with the gas boilers, Worcester Bosch or Vaillant are market leaders and both worth fitting, Ideal are making some better boilers again and some of their range come with a 10 year warranty as standard.


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    With renewables in the ascendant then it's tempting to suggest ground source heat pump. Surely the difference between electricity and fossil fuels is only going one way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owl1 View Post
    Vaillant with a 7 year warranty
    Just last week had one fitted £850. all in.
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    Just last week had one fitted £850. all in.
    £ 850 all in fitted ? Was there any dents on it where it'd fallen off the back of a lorry perhaps ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    Just last week had one fitted £850. all in.
    So he supplied the boiler and fitted it for free 😄

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    A lot of plumbers I know have moved away from Vailiant and Worcester. I have just had a ideal vogue max combi fitted, not cheap but hopefully worth it. Boiler has stainless steel heat exchanger and a 12yr warranty

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    My next Gas boiler would be an Intergas , it has Open therm tech built in which a lot of the smart thermostats support too.

    10 year warranty too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post
    £ 850 all in fitted ? Was there any dents on it where it'd fallen off the back of a lorry perhaps ??
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSlow View Post
    So he supplied the boiler and fitted it for free 
    Lolz, some of us don't get our legs lifted, Ian looks after all our rentals, an annual gas check and boiler service is less than £50.00
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    Please donít use £850 fully fitted as a guide, as pointed out most good boilers cost £850 at least for a good output.

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    The type of building or part-building and the nature and pattern of usage are likely to be relevant factors.

    For example I have an Edwardian house in London divided into two maisonettes, one of which I use for typically between 1-5 nights per month, as I live overseas. The building has solid brick walls which weíve insulated from the inside and is double glazed. If I relied on central heating alone Iíd have the choice between heating it while Iím away at great cost, or returning to a freezing house in winter which would take quite a few hours to warm up, or possibly resorting to some sort of smart remote control system. As it is, I use an Everhot electric heat storage cooker which keeps the kitchen warm and the entire maisonette aired and at a temperature where, even if I arrive with snow on the ground, I can fire up the (gas) central heating, go out for dinner, and return to a comfortable home.

    Worth asking as some people do work away or divide time between different homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    Lolz, some of us don't get our legs lifted, Ian looks after all our rentals, an annual gas check and boiler service is less than £50.00
    Which model did you get installed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagletower View Post
    Which model did you get installed?
    Alpha e tec28, 7 Yr warranty, into a Victorian cottage.
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    We have a Viessmann. Had it around 7 years with no probs. Stainless steel heat exchanger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    Alpha e tec28, 7 Yr warranty, into a Victorian cottage.
    its not a Vaillant, in the post you quoted the poster has mentioned a valiant to which you quoted , you had one flitted £850 last week. Secondly they retail for around £750 so he charged you £100 for fitting? You can sure as hell bet he didn’t power flush the system for that .

    It’s not a realistic install price- no one else is getting bent over by paying over £100 for install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagletower View Post
    its not a Vaillant, in the post you quoted the poster has mentioned a valiant to which you quoted , you had one flitted £850 last week. Secondly they retail for around £750 so he charged you £100 for fitting? You can sure as hell bet he didn’t power flush the system for that .

    It’s not a realistic install price- no one else is getting bent over by paying over £100 for install.
    Indeed it isn't, my error and profound apologies, the charge per invoice, boiler £550.
    Fitting £300. now I understand that you're desperate to make a point from the edgy tone of your post and whilst you may be gas engineer and feel that somehow its your duty challenge the installation costs, I am simply the landlord and am hardly qualified to take part in your argument, reading the install guide confirms that its been flushed as per BS7593.
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    Indeed it isn't, my error and profound apologies, the charge per invoice, boiler £550.
    Fitting £300. now I understand that you're desperate to make a point from the edgy tone of your post and whilst you may be gas engineer and feel that somehow its your duty challenge the installation costs, I am simply the landlord and am hardly qualified to take part in your argument, reading the install guide confirms that its been flushed as per BS7593.
    Edgy tone? Don’t be so sensitive.


    PS I am not a gas engineer. However even without being one , charging 300 quid to install a boiler abandoned flush an old system considering the cost of just the chemicals doesn’t make your plumber much if any money. He’s either doing it for pocket change, or not doing it what he’s stated or you’re being liberal with the truth
    Last edited by eagletower; 8th July 2019 at 23:09.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagletower View Post
    Edgy tone? Donít be so sensitive.


    PS I am not a gas engineer. However even without being one , charging 300 quid to install a boiler abandoned flush an old system considering the cost of just the chemicals doesnít make your plumber much if any money. Heís either doing it for pocket change, or not doing it what heís stated or youíre being liberal with the truth
    Have a good evening.
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy67 View Post
    With renewables in the ascendant then it's tempting to suggest ground source heat pump. Surely the difference between electricity and fossil fuels is only going one way.
    When I replaced the gas boiler in my previous house with a new Vailiant gas boiler the job cost £1800.
    The GSHP in my new ECO house cost £12,000 to install.
    A service by Vailiant was £70. For the heat pump its £395!

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    Alpha e tec28, 7 Yr warranty, into a Victorian cottage.
    Iíd keep a bucket under the boiler if I were you.

    Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    Just last week had one fitted £850. all in.
    Good deal . I have had 2 fitted over the years (in separate houses obviously ) never had a problem ..Touch wood .

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    Had mine changed today. Baxi 630. Nearly £2k in all
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    Have you considered an Air Source heat pump system and using PV or Economy 7 to power it. Gas is sooo 20th Century plus it's Planet friendly

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSlow View Post
    Replace with a Gas boiler, I recommend a Worcester or valiant.
    This, I was quoted c. 2k for new boiler, fitted and system flush recently.

    At 17 years old, its just a matter of time before our boiler packs up and I wanted a heads up re likely replacement costs. Hopefully it will go another couple of years yet but Iím not holding my breath!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyO View Post
    This, I was quoted c. 2k for new boiler, fitted and system flush recently.

    At 17 years old, its just a matter of time before our boiler packs up and I wanted a heads up re likely replacement costs. Hopefully it will go another couple of years yet but Iím not holding my breath!
    Should have called Ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by mart broad View Post
    Should have called Ian
    Ian has done two gas certificates for us today
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagletower View Post
    PS I am not a gas engineer.
    Sorry to be so anal, but I studied at university for 4 years to get an engineering degree. And then it took me 9 years practising to become chartered.

    The guy/gal who fits you boiler is a not an engineer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by noTAGlove View Post
    Sorry to be so anal
    Thatís o.k everyone has the right to be shitty now and again.

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