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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    20% looks good to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinCRC View Post
    Original (left), +20% (right).

    Thanks Martin, much appreciated.

    The +20% as it fills the space better / is more proportionate and also, being larger, is more legible.

    As for whether it is closer to the originals . . . well, there's a lot of variation there!

    I've got a number of 1950s De Luxes in front of me and the size of the SDL text varies considerably.

    On the ones where it is smaller it looks too small.

    (I wonder if Smiths didn't shout their name on the dials either because it wasn't a prestige marque (and from a distance could pass for any number of Swiss makes) or -- more likely -- good old British modesty. The originals whisper, if not downright mumble, their simple English surname; Edde's @ +20% says it clearly without shouting.)

    But on others it is considerably larger -- and, to my eye, looks better, looks "right"

    So 20% for me -- although if you could do a 15% I'd love to see it just to be sure.

    I really, really like this -- certainly on the lower three lines of text the 20% is spot on.

    For a quick look at a number of originals see here:

    https://www.smithswatches.com/collec...eluxe-1?page=1

    and compare the various A4xx models
    Last edited by Rev-O; 18th June 2019 at 22:00.

  4. #104
    20% looks very good, 10% fine too... shaping up to be a very impressive watch IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    I enlarged the logo and text on the dial and here they are side by side. I think the lollipop is in the right position, the end of the lollipop just touches the edge of the sunken dial circle.



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    I much prefer the +10%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post


    Can you do this with just the boobs? That would be spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Curta View Post
    Can you do this with just the boobs? That would be spot on.
    Good grief. I'd never noticed that before. Once seen...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    I much prefer the +10%.

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    Agreed, I really don’t like 20% on the lower three lines, nor
    DE (big gap) LUXE, nor bracelet. Nice looking watch, but a leather strap watch for me.


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    Last edited by BillyCasper; 18th June 2019 at 22:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCasper View Post
    DE (big gap) LUXE
    Yes the spacing between the two words should be maybe 1.5 the spacing between the letters.

    But the +20% looks bang on to me and, without wishing to pull rank or make any appeal to authority, I have seen A LOT of Smiths De Luxes, probably as many or more than anyone else here.

    I don't know much about much but I know a bit about them.

    Which reminds me, there's a facebook group page here:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/261717824304503/

    and a Smiths forum here:

    https://www.mwrforum.net/forums/foru...Vintage-Smiths

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    Its ironic that Eddie as a small brand can get something so right, in the above peer review. Whilst Seiko (slightly higher turnover) get it so wrong!

    Lovely job Eddie clean and timeless.

    https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...st-looks-wrong

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    Too late for changes now, it's off to production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Too late for changes now, it's off to production.

    Eddie
    Good!

    Something is always better than nothing and “A poem is never finished only abandoned”

    You can go on refining and redacting forever, with ever diminishing returns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Too late for changes now, it's off to production.

    Eddie
    When will they be likely available for purchase and do you have an idea of pricing yet?


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    Eddie
    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    That looks stunning,I like the strap as well.

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    Can't wait to pick one up!

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    Didn't like it on the bracelet.
    Thought the colours were odd and not in harmony.
    Knew then its not for me.



    The I saw it on the brown leather strap, something I never wear a watch on.
    It works, perfectly!
    I'm in :)

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    That's the sample strap I had made and when it arrived, I thought it was too dark. The strap that's now in production will be a lighter reddy brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwest76 View Post
    That looks stunning,I like the strap as well.
    Completely agree, will you be offering that strap with the watch Eddie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    That's the sample strap I had made and when it arrived, I thought it was too dark. The strap that's now in production will be a lighter reddy brown.

    Eddie

    Dark looks great, based on that photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 459GMB View Post
    Dark looks great, based on that photo.
    I agree, even though I personally would prefer it on the bracelet.
    Last edited by abraxas; 20th June 2019 at 19:06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 459GMB View Post
    Dark looks great, based on that photo.
    Easy to darken with some boot polish if you like.

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    That's a superb looking watch Eddie, 100% winner I'm in

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    Looks great, love the lume shot and the strap, although I am less impressed with the roller buckle.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas View Post
    I agree, even though I personally would prefer it on the bracelet.
    The bracelet is a must. Loved it. I hope that's still the primary offering.

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    Looks good on both the bracelet and the strap.

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    That looks really good. Great work.

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    I've even come round to the wide spacing between DE and LUXE

    Frankly the originals look odd now, with their more-than-a-letter-but-less-than-a-word spacing that they seem to have.

    It is two words and should be rendered thus, not as one-and-a-half words.

    I has been interesting looking so closely at so many old Smiths dials. I'd never really realised that there was so much variation in those three words on two lines but there is and there seems to be no "standard" or "majority" or "right" version.

    I really hope this looks as good in real life as it looks on the screen.

    And, please, can nobody put this on a NATO? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev-O View Post
    And, please, can nobody put this on a NATO? Thanks
    I'm gonna put mine on a tartan Perlon.

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    Looks far batter on a strap to me.

    I have a new black Perlon waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    Looks far batter on a strap to me.

    I have a new black Perlon waiting.

    What's your favourite perlon Velorum ?

    I have the Eulit Kristalls and the Panamas in all the available colour options. Superb strap options for vintage (or vintage-looking) watches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 459GMB View Post
    I have the Eulit Kristalls and the Panamas in all the available colour options. Superb strap options for vintage (or vintage-looking) watches.
    I knocked together a vintage/modern photo comparison, here:

    https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...oto-Comparison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    Looks far batter on a strap to me.

    I have a new black Perlon waiting.
    Beige or White Perlon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    Looks far batter on a strap to me.

    I have a new black Perlon waiting.
    Uhhh, would it be black John? ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas View Post
    Beige or White Perlon?
    :)
    Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!

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    Perlon schmerlon. Dark brown leather for this watch.

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    It´s not making it any easier to choose between the 2 white options, the red, white and blue Brexpedition version, is ticking all the right boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 459GMB View Post
    What's your favourite perlon Velorum ?

    I have the Eulit Kristalls and the Panamas in all the available colour options. Superb strap options for vintage (or vintage-looking) watches.
    Eulit Panama is my favourite. The Krystak is OK but a bit thin and I dont like the weave of the Palma. Also - it has to be the old style buckles, they may look a bit flimsy but Ive never had one fail and I love the adjustability.

    Aside from Perlon I think that the Expidition would look good on a TSS Atlas vintage style in tan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    I think that the Expidition would look good on a TSS Atlas vintage style in tan.
    Those are such great straps for the money


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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    Perlon schmerlon. Dark brown leather for this watch.


    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinCRC View Post
    Original (left), +20% (right).

    I like the +20% larger logo and text also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post






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    The leather strap looks wonderful on this watch. Well done 👍

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    The originals (A453 and A404) came on brown leather straps but could be "supplied with expanding bracelets" instead if wanted.

    These were the stainless steel Fixoflex ones without a clasp that were sprung and had excellent depilatory properties.

    The sub-seconds A404 was introduced in 1953 (there is a similar prototype from 1951/2, before such innovations as De Luxe and a stepped dial had been invented) and is the definitive, almost ubiquitous Smiths. It was in production until at least 1964 although after about 1954/5 they used the the smaller, unsigned case with 16mm lugs rather than the full-fat Dennison Aquatite with 18mm lugs.

    The centre-seconds A453 from 1953 has more complicated history and underwent at least two major revisions. These are often called "Antarctic" watches due to their use on an expedition there.

    I could bore for England on Smiths watches so I'll stop now.

    tl;dr brown leather strap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev-O View Post
    The originals (A453 and A404) came on brown leather straps but could be "supplied with expanding bracelets" instead if wanted.

    These were the stainless steel Fixoflex ones without a clasp that were sprung and had excellent depilatory properties.

    The sub-seconds A404 was introduced in 1953 (there is a similar prototype from 1951/2, before such innovations as De Luxe and a stepped dial had been invented) and is the definitive, almost ubiquitous Smiths. It was in production until at least 1964 although after about 1954/5 they used the the smaller, unsigned case with 16mm lugs rather than the full-fat Dennison Aquatite with 18mm lugs.

    The centre-seconds A453 from 1953 has more complicated history and underwent at least two major revisions. These are often called "Antarctic" watches due to their use on an expedition there.

    I could bore for England on Smiths watches so I'll stop now.

    tl;dr brown leather strap
    You're not boring me. Keep it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    You're not boring me. Keep it up.
    I am very interested as well,we need more of this kind of thing.

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    Yep, an interesting read, do go on.
    Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!

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    Eddie, on the brown leather it looks superb, the final vintage touch especially with the roller buckle. Totally brilliant work.

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    It will be difficult to resist this watch, it is very handsome, particularly on the leather. A brilliant job of walking the fine line between creating something genuinely new with reference to revered watches of the past. It also leaves room for a manual wind with sub seconds in the future......!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gav View Post
    Eddie, on the brown leather it looks superb, the final vintage touch especially with the roller buckle. Totally brilliant work.
    With you on the brown strap. But, sorry, I disagree about the roller buckle, it is a modern steam punk affectation.
    No vintage watch strap ever had a roller buckle.
    Horse bridles and dog's collars, sure, but watch strap? No. The roller is there to allow an easy cinch up to a high tension (without damaging the leather), but that is not something you want on a watch strap.
    Just my opinion, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    With you on the brown strap. But, sorry, I disagree about the roller buckle, it is a modern steam punk affectation.
    No vintage watch strap ever had a roller buckle.
    Horse bridles and dog's collars, sure, but watch strap? No. The roller is there to allow an easy cinch up to a high tension (without damaging the leather), but that is not something you want on a watch strap.
    Just my opinion, of course.
    Dave
    I agree. Also looks like it'll keep catching on sleeves etc. I'll be swapping the buckle out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    With you on the brown strap. But, sorry, I disagree about the roller buckle, it is a modern steam punk affectation.
    No vintage watch strap ever had a roller buckle.
    Horse bridles and dog's collars, sure, but watch strap? No. The roller is there to allow an easy cinch up to a high tension (without damaging the leather), but that is not something you want on a watch strap.
    Just my opinion, of course.
    Dave
    My Laco B-Uhr on original strap.



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    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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