Just back from the game and absolutely gutted.
We have played cracking football all season, our game, and had some tough luck but the VAR on our second goal just takes the biscuit.
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Just back from the game and absolutely gutted.
We have played cracking football all season, our game, and had some tough luck but the VAR on our second goal just takes the biscuit.
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Peller has been sacked
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I thought VAR was to correct clear and obvious errors, and if it was used for that purpose it would be a good thing. But, if an error is only found by looking at multiple camera angles in slow motion for three minutes how can the error be clear and obvious. The same with offsides, if you have to pause the replay and overlay with gridlines before zooming in on a bootlace the error is not clear and obvious. The way it’s working at the moment is totally destroying the flow of the game for players and fans alike.
Onto much more important matters, Watford are back! We seem to have finally got the right coach in Nigel Pearson and he’s getting a team that hasn’t played well since Easter looking like they might pull a great escape out of the bag this season. I’ll enjoy it whilst it lasts, he’ll probably be sacked at the end of the season when we bring in another hapless European!
You brought up Tevez v Barton like it had some bearing on VAR . That’s where I went with that one.
No Liverpool bias ? OK . I’m actually not a City fan then .
You’ve mentioned a number of times that de isions go for you and against you and it evens itself out over a season but it doesn’t.
VAR wasn’t introduced to stop people whinging about referees decisions. You have completely made that up . As other folk on here have mentioned, it was brought in to stop clear and obvious errors .
Which it hasn’t done . In fact it has made them far far worse.
The handballs by TAA and Soyoncu (sp) were almost identical . One was given, one wasn’t . By the same referee . Both decisions were backed up by VAR . If you won’t see that the game is being manipulated then great, back in your bubble.
And then you say “ It’s just a game “ like it’s a Sunday morning amateur kick about.
It’s a multi billion pound industry with hundreds of millions of people watching every week that is being manipulated by a faceless organisation who have nobody to answer to . It’s a disgrace.
By the way, it might be City fans at the moment turning out but if this thing carries on in its present guise, loads more will drop it too.
Yes it was to correct clear and obvious decisions that refs were making that made people constantly say that the refs are shite.
The Trent and Soy were not identical as a City player handballed it first ( I still think it was a pen as I've said ).
As for the faceless organisation that's manipulating games.
Come on have a word, there's no conspiracy going on.
If Liverpool win the league this year and city don't then it's because liverpool have been the better side and vice versa.
Yes, that was a poor decision, and I say that as a Spurs fan.
It's killing the game, no question about that; I also fail to understand why instructions haven't yet been issued to revert to the original intention - that is, to address clear and obvious refereeing errors. None of this one centimetre b*llocks.
I quite like the suggestion of one VAR "appeal" for each side, which I'd couple with unlimited use for goal-line verification... that would do it for me.
What I don’t get about offside is why the line isn’t drawn at ground level ,as in your feet position,it’s ridiculous to say your arm was in front by 6 inch ,when we all know you can’t score with your arm .
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But you can score with your head, shoulder, chest - and, it appears, according to VAR, your armpit!
Didn't see it but, as you say, as you can't score with the arm, I thought your arm couldn't be offside.
I've said before, with the speed of the game and the ridiculous margins they are seeking to measure, the resolution of the images and "frame rate" of the video they use are completely inadequate for the job.
When it comes to offsides, I think the VAR controversy is more likely caused by the actual LAW no longer being fit for purpose. When something like offside is an objective decision (like armpits being offside, for example), then VAR is correctly identifying offsides, but the spirit of the law (ie stop goalhanging) and the ‘bigger picture’ of entertaining the fans are being lost.
My personal preference would be for the law to be changed so that there needs to be daylight between the defender and the attacker in order for an offside to be given, and for VAR only to be used when the linesman has raised the flag.
For technology to be accepted it really does need to be at least 99% accurate and inline with the spirit of the rules and the game- if we can’t achieve this then bin it.
A lot of Rangers fans calling for VAR at the moment
Or even telling the poor so and sos who have actually paid a fortune to attend the game what's going on would be good!
There are some clips circulating on Twitter of A League (Australia) games where the referees are "mic'd up" so there is communication about what's happening.
VAR strikes again!!
Goodness me.
It's certainly continuing to be controversial
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Absolute comedy, both clear goals.
I am a lifelong Liverpool fan, but I can see how someone could feel that there is a bias from the first half of today's game v wolves. The non handball is fair enough, but again offside decided on mm. It's football, not watch cases.
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Weve had the same though. Manes goal two weeks more on side than that one , and on Boxing Day at least three goals were checked off for less margins than that.. it is stupid and I hate VAR, but at least its consistently ridiculous
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I am no fan of VAR for marginal (mm) offsides.
- & the Liverpool - Wolves game is doing nothing to win me round.
It has benefited Liverpool again today - I don’t think that’s a conspiracy - just coincidence.
But it does take something from the enjoyment of the game - even as a neutral.
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So, why didn’t VAR spot the handball by VanDijk?
https://streamja.com/j54O
Problem is that the continued controversy could end up detracting from what could be a fantastic season for Liverpool and instead of it being remembered as a great season of football, instead marred by all of these contrivesies
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VAR goes in city's favour, I thought that didnt happen ?
We will all look back on this is years to come and laugh about it maybe even ' theGoat'.
Wonder what the refs make of all this? They still appear to get stick even though its out of their hands
The point of Goal Mouth technology and VAR was to remove obvious mistakes made by the officials and reduce the bitiching and whinging by pundits and some fans. Yet now we have many of the same voices still bitching and moaning.
No idea what the answer is, however its no longer being used to remove obvious mistakes, its now being used to referee infinitely small mistakes, which no human would be able to cope with in real time. Crazy stupid technology for something which is supposed to be game.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
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Did the Ref just assist Man City with that goal lol? Seemed to ping off the ref back to City who then scored. The Blades are furious
What a day of controversy
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Current VAR winners and losers.....
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/engl...mpression=true
It’s not hand ball if the ball touches the hand having deflected off another part of the body.
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-...and-misconduct
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It is an emotional, fast paced game, agonising over millimetres and killing the excitement of great goals being scored is against the spirit of the game.
The technology is good for goal line situations and issues missed by the officials but it is being used forensically here to punish attackers body shape as they attempt to stay on the shoulder of the last defender.
When you have pundits, managers, players and fans all in open rebellion, something is not right.
So its confirmed there isn't an conspiracy against City and we can confirm VAR is shite in its current form.
Last time im going to mention VAR and hope it doesn't detract from Liverpools success this year.
I think since Vincent Kompany was put in charge of VAR City have definitely been getting some dodgy decisions. The other night at Wolves was a disgrace and last night the ref is helping them.
At least it should shut the hard done by brigade up for a while.
No surpise to find the Blades bottom of that league or to see that last night's game was given to a referee from Manchester whose internvention handed City the lead.
FWIW clear and obvious errors, by their difinition, should not need; slow motion, frozen frames or more than 20 seconds to manifest themselves.
The most bizarre thing I’ve seen/heard was the MOTD pundits suggesting that Manchester City should have stopped play or not gone for goal, when the referee didn’t touch the ball, on the grounds of “fair play” and “spirit of the game”. Has that happened ever, anywhere in competitive football??
Yes - no less clear than if you look at the video of the Lallana "shoulder" or the Wolves "offside"...…..but they were decided by stills and overturned decisions so why not this?
I also saw the interview with Van Dyke after the game - decidedly sheepish when asked if it had touched his arm
Fair play? Spirit of the game?
Paolo Di Canio of West Ham v. Everton 20.12.2000.
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