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    Ford vs Ferrari

    This looks interesting. Directed by the fella who made Logan and a couple of A listers in the cast too - Christian Bale, Matt Damon.




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    Never knew about this! Should be a cracker

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    Ford won!
    They won the battle, but lost the war.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    They won the battle, but lost the war.....
    I don't understand that, they set out to beat Ferrari at la mans because Ferrari reneged on the sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    I don't understand that, they set out to beat Ferrari at la mans because Ferrari reneged on the sale.
    The ´war´ was winning at Le Mans and that they did in capital letters.

    One coúld make a case though for it all starting with Ford wanting to have a proper sports car range. It subsequently derailed because of Ferrari and after squashing all in Le Mans they never pursued the original purpose. Basically they never fought that war. The ´Pantera by Ford´was a .... well, an interesting marketing experiment resulting in a reliable exotic.
    Quite cool that is lived for 21, 22 years till well into the níneties!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    They won the battle, but lost the war.....
    Indeed. Revenge is a dish best served on the opposition's home turf. Daytona 24 Hours 1967. Ferrari 1-2-3.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    They won the battle, but lost the war.....
    Ford wanted to buy Ferrari, they couldn’t. They beat them in a race but they still couldn’t buy Ferrari, hence my comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    Ford won!
    Spoiler alert! (front and rear)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonK View Post
    This looks interesting. Directed by the fella who made Logan and a couple of A listers in the cast too - Christian Bale, Matt Damon.

    Let's hope the cars / graphics are more accurate representations than the movie poster.
    Note the missing rad duct splitter for starters.

    But seriously looking forward to it all the same.

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    Is this the same movie as Le Mans 66? Presumably just a different title for US vs European audiences


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    It appears to be:


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    Quote Originally Posted by stuie-t View Post
    Is this the same movie as Le Mans 66? Presumably just a different title for US vs European audiences


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    Correct. But not sure why. Maybe Americans don't recognise Le Mans as easily.

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    It's a film made for the masses, not a documentary, and a thoroughly enjoyable film at that.

    I've been to Le Mans on a good number of occasions and have a reasonable handle on Ford's race history at the circuit, I couldn't give a jot about the liberal use of artistic license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardShark View Post
    It's a film made for the masses, not a documentary, and a thoroughly enjoyable film at that.

    I've been to Le Mans on a good number of occasions and have a reasonable handle on Ford's race history at the circuit, I couldn't give a jot about the liberal use of artistic license.
    Or as www.autosport.com puts it:

    ...In the same way that this review won't cut much mustard with Mark Kermode, Le Mans '66 probably doesn't fulfil hardcore motorsport fans and their idea of the perfect racing film. But this Autosport writer isn't a full-time film reviewer in the same way that Mangold isn't competing in club meetings at Snetterton.

    So, enter the cinema with a pinch of salt, enjoy the beautiful images on screen and be grateful that the story of Ford versus Ferrari and the career of Ken Miles are getting some deserved high-profile recognition, and opening up motorsport to the mainstream..

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    I saw this last week, it is an enjoyable watch and really does paint Ferrari as the bad guys, but being Hollywood I'm sure you'll be expecting that.

    There's not much to be enjoyed in the film unless you are a petrolhead and find the underlying true story interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanST150 View Post
    I saw this last week, it is an enjoyable watch and really does paint Ferrari as the bad guys, but being Hollywood I'm sure you'll be expecting that.

    There's not much to be enjoyed in the film unless you are a petrolhead and find the underlying true story interesting.

    Anyone going should imo first read https://www.sportscardigest.com/1967...-race-profile/

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    The Top Gear/Grand Tour programme still does something well: I thought this piece on the Ford vs Ferrari story was excellent.

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    This DVD is worth a fiver of your hard-earned


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    The ´american best in the wold´ around the GT40 and Cobra, spilling over to the Mustang is imo nauseating.
    And that is just cars...
    Blinkered morons.

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    Christian Bales accent though...

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    I went to see the film last night and greatly enjoyed it.

    Oddly, it wasn't the race scenes that struck me as the best part (I don't think they're as good as those in Rush, for example, and some seemed a tad over dramatised), although the finale at Le Mans is very well portrayed on and off track, I think.

    The relationship between Miles and Shelby was excellently portrayed, there was definite chemistry between Bale and Damon, and the actress playing Miles' wife was pleasantly understated in her performance (except in one scene). The young actor playing Peter Miles was also very good, I thought.

    One of the things that really impressed me were the scenes of the 1966 Le Mans circuit. The pits looked totally realistic, although, of course, they are now long gone and it seems they constructed a replica for it.

    This article - https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ford-v-ferrari - explains a lot about the locations used (Try not to laugh when you read about 'Le Mans Village', although I guess compared to the horrible urban sprawl that is LA, it's not far off).

    Which brings me to the only thing that really jarred - There's a scene where Miles sets off from his hotel by the Cathedral and, seemingly, walks to the circuit. It's not impossible, but it's a bloody long walk!

    It's quite a funny flim, too, at times, which quite surprised (and pleased) me.

    I can live with less than 100% accurate replica cars and missing out the year Miles raced for Ford at Le Mans and didn't win, because the story is a good one, worth telling and it's told well, within the confines of a 2.5 hour movie, yes there's plenty of 'artistic licence', but the heart of the story is there and true.

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    Easy to pick up on inaccuracies with films like this......

    Quote Originally Posted by snowman View Post
    Which brings me to the only thing that really jarred - There's a scene where Miles sets off from his hotel by the Cathedral and, seemingly, walks to the circuit. It's not impossible, but it's a bloody long walk!
    but yes - that one made me smile too.
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    I went to see it, having been to Le Mans 7 times with the boys we thought it would be nostalgic

    8-40pm showing last Thursday there was 7 of us and 2 others in the huge cinema at Braintree, that should have told us everything we needed to know

    I though it was dull as dishwater, although some of the others thought it was OK, no one was raving that’s for sure


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    I saw it with two pals last night, we've all been in to racing forever. We enjoyed it on many levels, it is a good fictionalised account of a great story.. Excellent acting, story telling and evocation of the period. Small spoiler coming up, I wouldn't have put that last scenes in, I think a simple on screen message about what happened would have been just as effective and I'd have left the cinema uplifted by the victory rather than upset. I think, as a father, the fact that his son was present at his death had a particular impact on me.
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    Saw it last week. A good, enjoyable film but as usual history has been massaged to fit a narrative, not something I'm overly bothered by.

    Netflix is currently pushing a ford / ferrarri documentary as well as one focusing on Shelby, this is one of the things I really like about Netflix, they have some good motoring and music documentaries. The Koenigsegg one is great as is the one regarding Rush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy67 View Post
    I saw it with two pals last night, we've all been in to racing forever. We enjoyed it on many levels, it is a good fictionalised account of a great story.. Excellent acting, story telling and evocation of the period. Small spoiler coming up, I wouldn't have put that last scenes in, I think a simple on screen message about what happened would have been just as effective and I'd have left the cinema uplifted by the victory rather than upset. I think, as a father, the fact that his son was present at his death had a particular impact on me.
    For what it's worth, Peter gave an interview to lemans.org and attended the film's premiere...piclink.


    Edit See also this Youtube link...where the director also expounds on the film making process, his aims and objectives etc.
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    Recorded 12/10/97 (not sure if that's US or UK format):


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    Not particularly bothered if the movie accurately depicted history but was an enjoyable one. Would suggest watching it on Imax/Dolby Atmos cinemas - the sound of those cars were heaven to my ears

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheesycake7 View Post
    Not particularly bothered if the movie accurately depicted history but was an enjoyable one. Would suggest watching it on Imax/Dolby Atmos cinemas - the sound of those cars were heaven to my ears
    it was dubbed

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