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Thread: Don't fit shoulderless bars to watches without drilled lugs

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    Don't fit shoulderless bars to watches without drilled lugs

    Customer ordered a PRS-10 (drilled lugs) and a 2-piece nylon strap. Because he ordered the strap with the watch, I supplied shoulderless bars with the strap. He fitted it to his CW ceramic and then tried to get it off but when he couldn't release the springbars with a springbar tool, he used brute force.



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    Oops.

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    Ouch! I assume thats it for the watch?

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    Seems excessive


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    Nothing a bit of superglue can't fix.

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    Lucky it was just a Christopher Ward.

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    Well, he won't make that mistake again.

    Out of interest, how could he have removed these without breaking the lugs?

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    Surely brain should have engaged and thought that the bars should have been cut before that level of force was used...

    Also I am not sure if I'm more impressed at your spring bars, or disappointed in the CW case quality!

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    Reply from Christopher Ward, "They all do that Sir".

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    Rookie error

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    I don't think there is anything wrong with shoulderless bars as such,more the person and how they go about removing them.I know of folks who fit them,use nato's and if they have to remove them for whatever reason they use snips.

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    A cautionary message indeed but yet another opportunity to have a dig at Christopher Ward. I doubt there is a ceramic cased watch in the world that would stand up to someone trying to remove shoulderless bars.

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    One of those frustrating "if all else fails, read the instructions!" Moments

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    Next time send him one of those.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jocke View Post
    Next time send him one of those.

    Exactly.They look severe but you just do one cut with the snips and remove the broken bar.Another problem was the ceramic case and there was stories years ago of similar damage to Iwc's etc..when they got knocked on door edges.

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    The solution if it happens again: nato strap.


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    He broke off two of the lugs?

    Nothing like doing a proper job...

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    one of the reasons I will never buy a ceramic cased watch is that, rightly or wrongly, I feel they are susceptible to damage like this if knocked against anything or dropped

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    Is he by any chance green and wearing ripped jeans!

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    You buy a brittle watch...

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    Just out of vulgar curiosity, were they seeking restitution from anyone?

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    Ouch bet he could have cried

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    CW will be able to replace the case.

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    Surely a bit of common sense would have you thinking that Id rather sacrifice the bars than the actual watch?!! Snip, snip, snip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jukeboxs View Post
    Well, he won't make that mistake again.
    Having already done it twice - two lugs down on that watch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabiscuit View Post
    Lucky it was just a Christopher Ward.
    That was my first thought too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabiscuit View Post
    Lucky it was just a Christopher Ward.
    Yeah, he probably meant to do that so as not to damage a perfectly good springbar.

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    I had no idea they where so weak, so whats the point of making watches with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    He broke off two of the lugs?

    Nothing like doing a proper job...
    It could be said that he just loved the symmetry of the watch.

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    Don't fit shoulderless bars to watches without drilled lugs

    Eddie now should market these springbars as unbreakable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbongo View Post
    You buy a brittle watch...
    Yes, it's worrying that the lugs gave way before the springbars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluehase284 View Post
    Also I am not sure if I'm more impressed at your spring bars, or disappointed in the CW case quality!
    Quite!

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    get the dremel out and flog it as an exclusive pocket watch conversion
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    Funny but sad.
    Lesson- a fool, a ceramic watch watch case and shoulderless bars is not a good combination.
    There is no question that a ceramic watch case is somewhat brittle and under certain circumstances prone to breaking/shattering. But there are several upsides to it. Companies like Omega make ceramic cases that are more 'shatterproof' but not 'foolproof'. A fool with a hammer can do a lot of damage to a ceramic watch case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Customer ordered a PRS-10 (drilled lugs) and a 2-piece nylon strap.
    As an aside, I bloody love that pairing. Suits the watch way better than the supplied NATO, IMO.

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    I've wondered about these shoulderless bars for a while now. I had a look through the archives and saw quite a bit of discussion, but i couldn't really find an answer to where you might choose to use shoulderless bars OTHER than for fitting a NATO. What's their advantage, when fitting bracelets or heavy leather straps, if anything?
    thank you vm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jools View Post
    Yeah, he probably meant to do that so as not to damage a perfectly good springbar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john_coburg View Post
    I've wondered about these shoulderless bars for a while now. I had a look through the archives and saw quite a bit of discussion, but i couldn't really find an answer to where you might choose to use shoulderless bars OTHER than for fitting a NATO. What's their advantage, when fitting bracelets or heavy leather straps, if anything?
    thank you vm.
    Main reason for fitting is so that the shoulder of a regular springbar would not get snagged on the strap and pop out.As you say they get mainly used for nato straps - there are stories of both springbars popping but have always found that difficult to believe or let's say extremely unlikely.The advantage of a nato is the watch will be safe if one pops out anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    ..., he used brute force.
    Twice! You would have thought after one lug snapped off, he might have rethought his approach.

    I do feel sympathy for him, having fitted them once to my Speedmaster. I managed to get them off without damaging the watch, and then flung out every shoulderless springbar I had in the watch box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jools View Post
    Yeah, he probably meant to do that so as not to damage a perfectly good springbar.
    Not just me who doesn't get the CW thing then.
    It was understandable when they were starting out and their watches were 300 ish, they compared favourably with their competition.
    Now they have priced themselves into a market that out guns them, they just don't make sense.
    Not that anything in the Veblen world of watch pricing makes any sense what so ever of course.

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    Well they're good enough for Dr Roger W. Smith obe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmbob View Post
    Well they're good enough for Dr Roger W. Smith obe.

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    This thread is losing the spring bar/ceramic theme and has an increasing content of CW bashing. As a happy owner of CW Id like to declare in their favour. Thank you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by robbie View Post
    As a happy owner of CW Id like to declare in their favour. Thank you.
    Are you on crack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amcneill View Post
    Main reason for fitting is so that the shoulder of a regular springbar would not get snagged on the strap and pop out.As you say they get mainly used for nato straps - there are stories of both springbars popping but have always found that difficult to believe or let's say extremely unlikely.The advantage of a nato is the watch will be safe if one pops out anyway.

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    So what are you meant to use for a NATO strap on a lug without drilled holes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_coburg View Post
    So what are you meant to use for a NATO strap on a lug without drilled holes?
    Depending on how close the bars sit to the case, some will fit shoulderless anyway as you can swap out NATOs easily and then if wishing to go to straps or bracelet, just treat the bars as disposable and cut them out.

    It's more challenging when the bars sit so close to the case as to mean you have to remove them every time you want to change any strap including NATOs!

    What I do is just fit normal spring bars and take the risk that the strap may catch the shoulder or flange and disengage it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_coburg View Post
    I've wondered about these shoulderless bars for a while now. I had a look through the archives and saw quite a bit of discussion, but i couldn't really find an answer to where you might choose to use shoulderless bars OTHER than for fitting a NATO. What's their advantage, when fitting bracelets or heavy leather straps, if anything?
    thank you vm.
    I've found changing straps (leather or bracelet) can be easier when a watch has drilled lugs (with which you can use shoulderless spring bars), as you just have to poke through the hole to dislodge the spring bar. Less risk of scratching the lugs, if you're careful.

    And they're flanges, not shoulders. According to some, anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by john_coburg View Post
    So what are you meant to use for a NATO strap on a lug without drilled holes?
    As hughtrimble mentioned, you can just slide the NATO out and cut the bars to remove them, they're cheap enough.

    Always a good idea fitting shoulderless bars with NATO, it's very possible for both flanged bars to give way together if your watch head gets caught on something and is pushed or pulled abruptly enough to cause the NATO to flick them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_coburg View Post
    So what are you meant to use for a NATO strap on a lug without drilled holes?
    Natos were meant to be used with solid (or welded) bars. They are not meant to be used with stepped spring bars. People have been taking risks and getting away with it... but that doesn't make it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amcneill View Post
    Main reason for fitting is so that the shoulder of a regular springbar would not get snagged on the strap and pop out.As you say they get mainly used for nato straps - there are stories of both springbars popping but have always found that difficult to believe or let's say extremely unlikely.The advantage of a nato is the watch will be safe if one pops out anyway.

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    This is actually incredibly easy to do. I tried it a few years ago with a Rolex 5513 on a nato (back when they were a divers watch not an investment portfolio!) and if you grab the watch (as if it got snagged on something) and pull it with any kind of force, both springbars get caught on the nylon edge of the nato and just pop right out. I tried it on various watches and its easy to replicate, especially if the Nato is damp or wet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mtagrant View Post
    Having already done it twice - two lugs down on that watch...
    True that! I didn't pay enough attention, thought they were on the same side.

    I was assuming the bolt cutters above were in jest, but it does appear you guys actually snip your spring bars. I live and learn...

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