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    You know you'll be back; this place is like crack.... ;-)

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    You are better than the stuff that has annoyed you Paul, seriously.
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    Call it a day if you need to, but it's a loss for the forum.

    This place would be a touch nicer if everyone answered the question I ask myself before I respond to a post...

    'Do I want to be a guy who argues with people on the internet?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave O'Sullivan View Post
    I stopped looking at the Bear Pit a few months ago and find the forum a far better experience now.
    ^^ this. I did the same as Dave and aside from posts in SC going wrong the overall experience is far better....

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    Do I want to be a guy who argues with people on the internet?'
    Definitely this. There's keyboard warriors on every forum and there can be an unpleasant pack mentality but in the it takes two to have an argument and we all choose to post what we do.

    Have some time away and come back on new terms. The forum is worse for losing anyone with your level of subject knowledge/expertise.

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    I have mentioned a few times before that if you only have bad/abusive things to say then say nothing at all.

    Personally I don't get dragged into feeble arguments no more on here, I have been down that road and it just leads to lots of time being wasted with no valuable outcome, I just read, laugh, judge the person being an idiot as an idiot and move on, trouble is they probably are not idiots but fellow watch enthusiasts that are not seeing the wood for the trees.

    If you really thought to yourself do I need to post this? is it going to help? will it p$$s someone/the forum off? will I look pathetic? will people not want to interact with me and add me to ignore?

    If you think any of the above then really you shouldn't post it, I'm trying to take this route and its much more relaxing.

    As has been mentioned, the ignore button should be used more if you cant read a post without reacting, if you cant see it then you cant react and the argument dies and the idiot starts to become segregated, I have no one on ignore but as I said I can just click past and laugh but its a good tool that should be used more.

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    I echo what others have said Paul. Take a break & pop in again once youíve had a rest. I never go in the BP and donít contribute much these days, but still enjoy a flick through watch talk & the G&D.
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    Sorry to see you go Paul, I have enjoyed your posts over years.

    I would eco some of the comments further up the post advising a break rather that a permanent departure.

    There are always a small number, and luckily it is a small number, of aggressive and largely ill-informed members who seem to post nothing but negative comments or constantly bait others. They seem to enjoy being provocative and very rarely have anything of value to add to a discussion. Luckily they tend to get board after a while and wander off to find some one else to annoy or pull the wings off a fly.

    It would seem to be the price of having an open forum and on balance, IMHO, one worth paying.

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    Sorry to see you go PaulÖ

    Thereís some really embarrassing stuff on this forum from certain postersÖ. I donít engage with them though

    I donít tend to go into the bear pitÖ.

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    The Bear Pit is fine and largely amusing if you take into context what it is, if on the other hand you want to post defamatory things or argue and insult other members then yes it can be nasty.

    Its like walking into a pub and throwing your weight around, someone is going to have a pop at you! But if you sit back, have a bit of light hearted banter and stay out of trouble you'll have a good time..

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    The BP is largely fine in small doses, it's The Draft Thread that leads to the nastiness. The original intent of that thread has been completely lost and now it's simply a place people go to sling mud around. Behaviour breeds behaviour and I believe that thread alone has created a significant amount of the nasty, pathetic behaviour we see here regularly now. It can't be a coincidence that TZ was a nicer, more friendly place pre-Draft Thread.

    I'm sure, and I hope, that your absence will be temporary Paul :)

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    In my view the Draft Thread, as it was initially intended, was a good idea. Its a shame its ended up as it has. I kind of think that even if it had not been created another thread would have ended up being used for similar purposes.

    I suspect even the most unpleasant posters are actually OK in real life - its just that the febrile atmosphere of an unmoderated and largely consequence free on line environment can bring out the worst in many people. I don't post that often on there but look back at some of my past contributions with acute embarrassment.

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    The bus made them vote Leave. Facebook advert made them vote Trump The Draft Thread makes resident trolls savage fellow members.

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    I'm another one who's sad to hear this Paul. Your posts are always interesting and informative. But I get where you're coming from - I stopped posting for a while and now post far less than I used to, but for different though equally compelling reasons. Though I do still log in regularly and brows those threads that look to be of interest, even if my responses are more sporadic.

    Ultimately it is the forums loss when knowledgeable people like yourself feel driven to leave it.

    Hope to see you back here when you've had time to unwind and refect on the better aspects of TZ-UK, there are more good folk here than there are argumentative and awkward buggers.

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    I'm sorry to see you go, Paul. I left another forum as a very long-time member for a similar reason: an increase in toxicity resulting from member turnover.

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    Do what you need to do mate, we have all needed or taken a break from here but its undeniably great less the minority
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    Sad day.

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    Sorry to hear it Paul, I've appreciated your advice on working on mechanisms. Hope you will stop by every now and then.

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    Agree with the sentiment of other posters, I'm relatively new and signed up to learn more about watches. First post I got told not to let the door hit me on the way back out. Classy. I'm thick skinned and glad I stayed about as the wealth of knowledge here is incredible.

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    The forum reflects the world outside, lots of people got more vehement/ have less availability for dialogue, while horology as such turned mostly into a rich man's farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    The Bear Pit is fine and largely amusing if you take into context what it is
    Exactly, although it does overstep the mark at times. Think of the BP as TZ-UK's Jeremy Kyle show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewatchbloke View Post
    Exactly, although it does overstep the mark at times. Think of the BP as TZ-UK's Jeremy Kyle show.
    I think the problem is that certain people take their own brand of bile outside of the BP. It appears no forum is safe from some of the keyboard warriors here which is a shame given that it is the minority that spoil things for the majority.

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    Members do need to keep their Bear Pit head separate from their rest of the forum head as 95% of members have no interest in the Bear Pit squabbles of old men with nothing better to do. It is totally wrong that Bear Pit fun and feuds spill out of the Bear Pit into the more well mannered and interesting areas of the forum.

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    Take time out if you want to - just as it should be.

    Oddly this thread got me to pop into the BP for the first time in ages - Even made a rare post in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewatchbloke View Post
    Exactly, although it does overstep the mark at times. Think of the BP as TZ-UK's Jeremy Kyle show.
    And look what happened there.....

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    Hope to see you back here in due course, Paul. You are one of the most valuable contributors here.

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    It can be a bit that way, and I havenít participated in a fully active way in quite some time, mainly because of the childish abuse which can be commonplace in the Pit. That said, Iím still here, still visit regularly and usually enjoy 90% of what I read - I still have good friends here (albeit virtual ones) and pick up good advice on a regular basis.

    Enjoy the break Paul, I know itís hard but the best way of staying out of the mud-slinging is to not become involved. Easier said than done with some characters on the internet, but itís the way of sanity for me at least.

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    I've enjoyed your posts. They are very knowledgeable. I hope that you fare well.

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    I always try and post on forums as if I were speaking to someone in real life (which you are by way of a faceless medium really), Iíd love to see some of the troll types speak the same in real life! Itís usually this type that wouldnít say boo to a Sloworm.

    Must admit I donít get the bear pit either as itís just a soup of venom and only serves to fluff up chests. I wonder what is wrong in peopleís lives that they feel the need to be so nasty, perhaps bullied themselves or maybe unable to integrate socially in real life so donít have that compassion.

    Kill them with love is the only way. Iíve often replied to trolls on YouTube comments and itís quite surprising how many delete their own comments, edit them or apologise. The internet gives people anonymity and Iím sure they donít realise theyíre speaking to another human being half the time. If the YouTube comments were real world conversations weíd all just be shouting and swearing at each other in the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jameswrx View Post
    I always try and post on forums as if I were speaking to someone in real life (which you are by way of a faceless medium really), Iíd love to see some of the troll types speak the same in real life! Itís usually this type that wouldnít say boo to a Sloworm.

    Must admit I donít get the bear pit either as itís just a soup of venom and only serves to fluff up chests. I wonder what is wrong in peopleís lives that they feel the need to be so nasty, perhaps bullied themselves or maybe unable to integrate socially in real life so donít have that compassion.

    Kill them with love is the only way. Iíve often replied to trolls on YouTube comments and itís quite surprising how many delete their own comments, edit them or apologise. The internet gives people anonymity and Iím sure they donít realise theyíre speaking to another human being half the time. If the YouTube comments were real world conversations weíd all just be shouting and swearing at each other in the streets.
    Agree with all this, I was always told look for evil and you will find evil, not a bad adage. I suppose itís like stepping into a boxing ring and crying when you get thumped, good luck anyway.

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    I see this thread start whilst i was on holiday , i could nt reply as internet was bad !

    i hope you will come back after a break, as I can only echo other members comments that your knowledge and help will be missed.

    By the way Whats the Bear pitt! Is it only available to members with a certain post count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbo12 View Post
    I see this thread start whilst i was on holiday , i could nt reply as internet was bad !

    i hope you will come back after a break, as I can only echo other members comments that your knowledge and help will be missed.

    By the way Whats the Bear pitt! Is it only available to members with a certain post count?
    You really don't want to know. Really, honestly, truthfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griswold View Post
    You really don't want to know. Really, honestly, truthfully.
    Now ! I really want to know. I think im missing out 😃

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbo12 View Post
    Now ! I really want to know. I think im missing out 
    Picture an episode of Jeremy Kyle comprised solely of middle aged men goading each other and swearing.

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    It's a no rules apply sub forum that you need a higher post count to access.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbo12 View Post
    Now ! I really want to know. I think im missing out 
    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    Picture an episode of Jeremy Kyle comprised solely of middle aged men goading each other and swearing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluehase284 View Post
    It's a no rules apply sub forum that you need a higher post count to access.



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    As I said, you really don't want to know. Really, honestly, truthfully.
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    Action in the Bear Pit isn't too bad unless you deliberately setout to annoy someone. I think the real problem arises when people forget to leave the Bear Pit behind when they are in the open forum.

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    The Bear Pit itself is fine, and a good idea to keep spats out of the main forum.

    Itís the opposing groups who have sworn a mafia like oath to continue a generation spanning vendetta against their perceived enemies thatís the problem.

    We need less vendetta and more omertŗ in my opinion...

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    Paul/Walkerwek1958,

    Your posts have been substantive and your contribution highly valued.
    Ask yourself if this place continues to be rewarding or is just habitual.
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    Thanks to everyone for letting me know. I did wonder why I couldn't find it in sub forums and using the search
    Will have a look once my post count is there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbo12 View Post
    Thanks to everyone for letting me know. I did wonder why I couldn't find it in sub forums and using the search
    Will have a look once my post count is there
    I'd happily flog you my access if it were transferrable.

    I successfully managed to avoid posting there twice this morning, now if I can only just stop being drawn to it via the 'new posts' list I will feel a lot more relaxed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooks View Post
    The Bear Pit itself is fine, and a good idea to keep spats out of the main forum

    The problem is that the protagonists follow each other around the other sub fora.

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    The problem is that the BP rules are somewhat outdated, they should prolly read along the lines:

    "If you want to express strong views, then do it here at your own risk. If you get savaged by the resident trolls I'll just hose the place to moisten your remains so the bottom feeders won't choke on the hard bits."

    Oh, and while we at it, can we rename it to Jeremy Kyle corner?
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    Time to call it a day.......

    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    The problem is that the protagonists follow each other around the other sub fora.
    This is what causes all the problems, spats and nastiness in other parts of the forum. Many times Iíve read a thread and bang out of the blue a vendetta post followed by another etc.

    If these peeps could keep it in the draft thread then all would be good.

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    [/COLOR]Oh, and while we at it, can we rename it to Jeremy Kyle corner?[/QUOTE]

    Maybe get him in as a Mod seeing as hes between jobs at the mo.

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