The way I saw that happenning...again I could also be wrong in my recollection...Originally Posted by CardShark
He was on the way to the talk show - at which point he escaped the police. He then did the show, came out with all the revelations...I assume (not in the film) that he was then restrained by security at the studio and taken by police from there (this was all on live TV, so assuming police despatached directly)...and in the meantime all the vigilante jokers march the streets in recognition of their hero...and then next scene...joker in police car...
^Yes, that’s how I saw it too. He was busted out of the police car because of his recent TV appearance...! He was on his way to the studio when the police got lynched on the train.
However that’s not to say he didn’t imagine the whole lot from Arkham of course.
Joker 2 anyone!?
Phoenix has already said it’s likely and he’d like to do it. I’m exiting the cinema I didn’t want a sequel but now I’d love one.
Ah, that order of events makes more sense.
I really am going to have to watch it again...
this...
the only question i have is who are the two guys who rescued him from the police car? I don't think they were just a couple of random rioters who decided to break him out.
Riddler and Penguin?
I'm pretty sure it was these two, acting at the direction of someone else.
Saw it today, enjoyed it a lot, it is very dark. Felt sorry for him in the end.
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Loved it. The Rogue One to the modern Batman opus.
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I enjoyed it and I'd give it a good rating.
I would have liked it to have been even darker though but maybe that's just me.
The scene were he walks into the window and the midget and the latch were top draw.
The part where the girl jokingly says about knocking off Gotham bank and his deadpan remark that he has a gun. His brutal honesty was almost childlike . He wasn't even trying to be funny.
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I really like the Batman films and this sounds good. I hope there's no gory bits in it. I don't like that sort of thing. I prefer to be frightened rather than disgusted!
There’s some pretty gory bits to be honest...
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Only the scissors bit really and it's pretty telegraphed for anyone wanting to look away.
Dutch newspapers: the studio wants to have Glitter's music removed/replaced before the film is available in stores or online.
That would be good as we don't want him receiving royalties. It makes you wonder how the studio didn't realise during production though.
Saw this last week and absolutely loved it.
surely with the ending there has to be another one in the pipeline
He's making a lot. Furthermore, the same Dutch newspaper wrote that Vevo has the part of the movie + music clip still online. Does an artist get any money from YT or Vevo for that? (no hyperlink included here).
Menno
Last edited by thieuster; 14th October 2019 at 16:09.
Road to perdition, although to be fair it's a very nerdy shout for a comic book film.
I have still yet to see it, I still don't know if I will bother, as good as I hear his performance is I still just don't think we needed another joker story.
Saw it on TV but I was puzzled by one part.
You see Bruce Wayne's parents get killed in modern day.
When Bruce Wayne aka Batman is old enough to fight crime the Joker is going to be an old man, if he's still around.
Didn't really ring true to me.
Cheers,
Neil.
And is that more or less believable than a man dressed as a bat with superpowers? I think suspending belief and common sense is the norm in Marvel world.
Good to see a certain Mr Glitter receives ZERO royalties from the soundtrack.
The film was IMO a really good one - marmite for some - surprised was a 15 - but definitely worth a watch.
The road to perdition scene in the rain is one of my favourites of all time.
Jack Nicholson was mid 50s when he played the joker.
So say Joaquin is meant to be 40isn then 15 years on young Bruce is then 27.
Joaquin Phoenix was absolutely brilliant, best acting I've seen in a very long time, must be nailed-on for the Oscar. It was an interesting film for sure, but tough watching the descent into madness!
Interesting fact, he was born Joaquin Rafael Bottom, now that must have been tough growing up.
Batman doesn't have superpowers and he is from DC not Marvel - but I take your point.
Cheers,
Neil.
Now that just shows that I know nowt about DC and Marvel haha. But thanks for getting my point!
The wife and I went to see it Sunday evening while the kids were in bed and being watched by the grandparents.
I was anticipating a bit more dark given the reviews and thought it was ... believable ... but then my wife intimated that given that I work in that field that my boundaries are perhaps shifted from the norm. Oh yes the outburst are dramatized for a movie for sure ... such as the chat show... but I’ve certainly heard and seen worse on a almost weekly basis if you take out the gun etc. Certainly much like the single mother neighbour... I’ve heard many people talk about thinking about doing such things but they usually just get off the train and keep to themselves. What I did find very real to life is that these marginalized individuals always seem to take a kicking throughout their lives for no really fault of their own.... can make you feel quite sad for them. Many do develop what I call ‘justice’ issues ... which was never more poignant than the scene with the shorter person... you’re good to go vs you’re not good to go. I won’t say more as don’t want to ruin it for any who haven’t seen it.
Nonetheless, really enjoyed it and thought that there was no wasted film time... every scene portrayed part of a story that continued to move forward and taught you more about the character that you were watching. Very well directed in my opinion and hope there is a sequel.
Do wonder if the guy at the fence was the butler we all know to be the butler...?
Halfway through the movie at the moment. 10 mins pause. ‘Taxi Driver’ springs to mind.
Phoenix is great!
Returned home. Some details spring to mind:
- Gary Glitter's music isn't a coincidence, given the scene before the music starts
- The metro scene has a lot of resemblance with a real-life situation early this week all over the news...
In all: Phoenix is the biggest contender for an Oscar.
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Don't want to be negative, I enjoyed but it's nowhere near as good as the reviews seemed to suggest.
I thought it was a bit self indulgent and turned 90 mins of movie in to 120 with all the posturing.
It wasn't very dark though, if you want dark look again at the implied menace in The Dark Knight. Each killing was a revenge act on who he thought were bad people. They beat him up, she lied to him, he got him fired and he belittled him. Bronson was doing that in the 70's!
He let the dwarf go free and didn't do anything to the neighbour. He's an anti hero in this film.
Much more powerful is the the way TDK Joker appears mindless in his actions, his unpredictability is scary because nothing and noone is safe.
Totally disagree.... nothing self indulgent about it at all and if you thought it wasn’t very dark then what do you class as dark?
The fact that he let the midget go free was unpredictable and how do you know he didn’t do anything to the neighbour? You didn’t see anything but it was certainly implied imo.
Anyhow.... each to their own!
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I agree, I didn't think at any point that it was self-indulgent. Strangely I've never seen The Dark Knight but I have a night to myself on Thursday so I'm going to watch it. Can't wait to see Ledger's Joker.
Totally disagree.... nothing self indulgent about it at all and if you thought it wasn’t very dark then what do you class as dark?
The fact that he let the midget go free was unpredictable and how do you know he didn’t do anything to the neighbour? You didn’t see anything but it was certainly implied imo.
Anyhow.... each to their own!
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I thought it was totally in his head, his grandiose personality disorder playing out through either a) his asylum cell b) his actual life or reality as it happened interwoven with his delusions making it seem to us the viewer the person we think he is. He's not , he was an idea of a man who could inspire the joker.Totally disagree.... nothing self indulgent about it at all and if you thought it wasn’t very dark then what do you class as dark?
The fact that he let the midget go free was unpredictable and how do you know he didn’t do anything to the neighbour? You didn’t see anything but it was certainly implied imo.
Anyhow.... each to their own!
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I personally don't think he was 'the joker' intended or not. Just an idea of a that ilk. He definitely didn't have the makings of a varsity athlete and definitely not the hallmarks of the much celebrated "clown prince of crime " or master arch criminal with high intellect. He didn't seem coherent enough to string two sentences together . Plus he also bumbled his way through each disasterous act , winging it and grasping at our empathy for his rather sad situation
Ledgers joker was a man saying he never had a plan, but did quite obvious-lee.
I thought Joaquin Phoenix was superb nonetheless but it wasn't about 'the joker' that's just a tagline . It's subliminal on many levels .
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I watched The Dark Knight yesterday and thought it was 45 minutes too long and, without Ledger's performance as Joker, instantly forgettable. I know they're not the same type of film however for me there's no comparison in their quality....Joker is a far superior film. Other opinions are, of course, available :)
All three of the Nolan Batman pictures are colossally overrated IMO.
saw this tonight.
cant deny the Phoenix acting was a spectacle but found the film a bit of a bore..
Watched it last night and for me it was excellent. i enjoyed watching as he gradually became more and more unstable...It was a really good back story to the Jokers origins of a mentally disturbed and socially awkward man and the series of events that made him into what he finally became.
JP was totally captivating in his portrayal.
Whatever your opinion about the movie: there aren't many other movies that have managed to have a 3-page thread on this forum. That says something about the movie as well. I think it's positive: this is one of the films one will remember for years to come. One for the Cool Wall. For me, along with Inception, Looper and 12 Monkeys; QT's movies and some of Guy Richies are 'hors categorie' and in the special Extra Cool Box.
M
Last edited by thieuster; 31st October 2019 at 18:02.
I loved it, as said very dark in places but well worth the money
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In my humble opinion. It was a great movie, but something about the whole movie was depressing, I can't quite pin it down. It had less violence than Dead pool and John wick, but the violence in those two was cartoonish. Even after it, I am starting playing browser game https://chromedino.com/joker/
Last edited by Derrils; 18th December 2019 at 15:45.
What an excellent take on this character, I really enjoyed it.
F.T.F.A.
Acting was great but found the film a chore...was glad when it ended.
I just watched the gladiator. Felt really weird now after joker.
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BUBI 0_0
Totally agree!
See he’s cleaned up in the awards, just got best actor last night in the Oscars, well deserved imo...
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