Yesterday night in Jerez the MotoE paddock burned out completely. Bikes, equipment and all.
An investigation about the cause is started.
The opening round has been cancelled.
The series sofar is not.
Yesterday night in Jerez the MotoE paddock burned out completely. Bikes, equipment and all.
An investigation about the cause is started.
The opening round has been cancelled.
The series sofar is not.
Where were you last night Petrus??
I was burned out too.
In bed.
In Málaga with c-company.
The first thing said was: ´There were no bikes charging at the moment.´
We will hear sómething but whatever we will be told, the fire clearly highlights the hazards of the e-tech.
Also not very clever risk management imo to have all the e-ggs in one basket.
You really have no evidence to support either of the last two comments. There are any number of reasons for the fire and it could just as easily have been any of the other paddocks.Originally Posted by Huertecilla
I would say that, all things considered, e-tech is probably safer than Internal combustion. We’ve seen plenty of occasions when a bike has gone up in flames.
Let’s just wait and see what comes out before jumping to conclusions.
The riscs of modern batteries stocked together increases greatly.
Controlling a fire of them is basically impossible.
ALL of MotoE was in ÓNE paddock tent.
Let´s agree to disagree.
The risks of large volumes of fuel stocked together increases greatly
Controlling such a fire is basically impossible
All Moto gp fuel stored in one place.
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying but it’s all really irrelevant until the cause of the fire is determined.
This is what Energica say about their batteries.
https://www.energicamotor.com/technology/
Again, until the cause is known, there’s nothing more to be said really.
During my 32 years in the Fire Service, as an operational firefighter, once a fire was extinguished it was usual practice for our experienced and highly trained experts to determine the cause of a fire. They were trained at the internationally renowned Fire Service College, at Moreton in Marsh. Of course we'd have a very good and usually correct idea ourselves, but when matters can end up in court under oath, then expert opinion is called for, not the musings of comparative laymen.
F.T.F.A.
c'mon, a different week and a different subject he is an expert on.................don't spoil his fun with expert advice!!!
The charges against the batteries may be dropped.
The current theory blames a charger.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
There appears to be ample evidence of watts at volt.
Authorities are looking for someone with an electric personality apparently. Friction and lack of lubrication may have been involved.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I for one am enjoying watching the progress of both the bikes and Formula E. I'm a massive petrol head but also like to see the evolution of new technologies. Tis event is a major set back for the series and I feel sorry for the teams.
MotoE organisers have confirmed the cause of the Jerez paddock fire which destroyed the majority of the bikes and equipment as a short circuit which ignited batteries.
There you go then... a short circuit that ignited the batteries. It would have also ignited other fuel sources
Other fuel sources would not have needed charging. And they might have been able to control the fire.
Hypothesis undoubtedly but rushing to claim victory in the debate is ill advised.
The point is that having all the emoto equipment together is a bad idea, and they need to be able to control a starting fire.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Lithium Ion batteries represent a significant risk when involved in fire, whilst they do not contain lithium in metallic form. The main danger is the electrolyte (there are a few types) nut the main ones contain Flourine. A specific type of extinguisher needs to be used for these type of batteries and any run off is pretty nasty toxic/corrosive stuff.
When a lithium ion battery is involved in fire they produce their own oxygen alongside highly flammable gasses - once ignited they often result in 'thermal runway' which is an uncontrolled thermal reaction which spreads to adjacent batteries.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Not quite. I think you are misunderstanding this to be a short-circuit which results in sparks and then something starts burning as a result of sparks flying. But this is about short-circuitting a battery, i.e. short-circuiting the poles of a battery. A LiPo battery will likely start burning as a result of such a short-circuit, while there is nothing to short-circuit with traditional fuels.
The risk profile of a battery-filled paddock is completely different, not necessarily worse than a traditional paddock. It might be that the organisation didn't reflect the different risk profile. I have dealt quite a bit with LiPo batteries in my former drone business, you always remove them from the vehicle when not in use. There are rather safe storage possibilities in containers with semi-automatic extinguishers designed with sand. If the bikes were parked overnight with the batteries inside (and possibly even charging, conflicting info on charging being published), the organisators will have difficult discussions with their insurance.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
It’s horses for courses...
Local police are still concluding their investigation into the fire but have announced the fire was caused by a short circuit which ignited a high-density battery that is part of the high-performance charger used in MotoE. The source of the short circuit is yet to be confirmed.
Never in a million years would a Police force be qualified or experienced enough to conduct a/any fire investigation.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
A shortcircuit is part of the risk profile when dealing with electricity - that is why your house and car have fuse-boxes. Trouble is that electric chargers cannot be protected by fuses as the currents are so high. This is addressed by making the chargers short-circuit-proof. This reaches its limit when you have a battery inside the charger to balance the load, as said any short-circuit to a LiPo is potentially hazardous and once lit, those fires are very difficult to manage. That's why you store the batteries in safety storage boxes.
The fact that a battery has caught fire is part of the risk profile. How this can lead to the entire paddock burning down is the question which needs answering.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
‘cilla came up with a theory. Why the resistance?
Amperently he is a specialist.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
That’s the current thinking.
Hence my observation about risc management.
A sadly costly learning experience.
It looks unlikely that Le Mans will see them out for the first time.
No doubt though that the series will go ahead.
Shocking thread.
They could run some in parallel...
So much negativity
Have a nice Faraday.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
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