So after three separate incidents since Friday it appears that the latest safety upsets are being looked at.
Is banning a “fan” for life enough?
Should the club hold some responsibility?
Criminal charges are a deterant to some I guess?
I think it’s moronic how these events have occurred, yet fear it could be replicated in other events if not nipped in the bud
Thoughts?
Make the advertising boards give out an upward high voltage shock.
Anyone stepping over them, gets an electric shock to balls. Pretty sure this will stop it happening :)
I'm not sure how this matter can be tackled. Clubs must and do bear some responsibility, however, if someone is more than determined to get on a pitch I'm sure they will find a way. Without employing an large amount of security staff around the perimeter of the pitch what could be done?. The more 'staff' employed on a game day will eventually push admission prices up. High fences wont work as they will obstruct vision. Banning offenders will work, but this is acting after the event. Its a tricky one that's for sure.
Stuart
In my opinion, the scrote who punched Grealish and was pleasingly remanded in custody until he appears at Birmingham Magistrates Court this morning should be sent to prison for between 6 and 12 months and I do NOT mean a suspended sentence!
Any PC limp-wristed ‘deprived childhood your worships’ lesser sentence will send out a very loud and very wrong message that this behaviour will not be punished appropriately by the courts.
This actions of this bottom-feeder has shamed Birmingham AND Football, as did the behaviour of the disgusting ‘fans’ who cheered him as he was being dragged off the pitch.
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So this rubbish got 16 weeks imprisonment which is entirely inadequate but better than nothing. 16 weeks less remission is quite long enough for the other cons to express their views on this matter and good luck with that one and good luck with picking the soap up you deadbeat Merchant Banker!Originally Posted by KavKav
Last edited by KavKav; 11th March 2019 at 22:13.
I dont mind the female naked ones with big ti@s running on... but those days seem to have gone.
It will also have - to a degree - the effect of discouraging others.
Most stewards aren't really in a position to confront someone intent on invading. Would having six rather more athletic stewards, positioned around the pitch and charged with the sole task of chasing down any individual pitch invaders, be any use?
Snipers.
Or failing that just heavy sentences, we shouldn't have to put up fencing to stop morons from ruining things for everyone else.
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In addition to any criminal charges under current legislation - for every ‘fan’ who invades the pitch......
Decrease the number through each club’s turnstiles by 1000 for their next matches.
I'd suggest decreasing the number of fans attending the club's next game by all of them...
Next home match played behind closed doors. There were (apparently) thousands of fans cheering the thug as he was led off - punish the whole club.
It's unclear whether they were cheering the idiot or the capture of the idiot. How would they convey the latter clearly? Perhaps they thought they were yet you have interpreted it differently and would therefore punish them. Bit unfair if so.
Dogs with big teeth followed by a tasering.
Football is the sport of the dregs of society played by the dregs of society with money.
The only thing that will stop them is the fear of pain or harm, they don't think about having a criminal record or a soft slap on the wrist.
It will only take a few to be badly bitten by a security dog and then to wet their pants in public after being tasered, difficult to play the big man then.
You may well be right (although there seems to be a lot of 'respect' for the thug online) but it would still be a great deterrent to anyone thinking about rushing onto the pitch in future. How hated are you going to be amongst the fanbase if you're the guy who stopped everyone watching their club?
The problem is that although the severity was different, if the 'crime' was entering the field of play then wouldn't they then have to issue the same punishment to Arsenal? Whilst I can see the FA coming down hard on Birmingham (just) I'm rather less optimistic about the Premiership doing the same to a 'big' club.
I like you.
You're a thinking person.
Hollow point I presume?
I think the 16 weeks is about right.
He did a totally stupid thing and attacking from behind was cowardly and blowing kisses to the crowd showed a look at me element.
However after a day in remand, he has shown remorse, apologised to everyone and evidently his parents have had to leave the family home due to threats and reprisals.
He will not have a pleasant time in clink and although he will only serve 8 weeks, it will seem a very long and horrible time living with the scum of the earth who are convicts.
On top of that, his career prospects will have nose dived, so yes the 16 week sentence is fair.
As a Villa supporter I'm trying to resist the urge to make a joke here...
Equally, from a more neutral perspective, I think he's a disgrace to his club and its supporters. The club may well end up docked points (on top of the points they'll likely be docked for FFP misdemeanours, something Villa were very close to had new owners not appeared in the summer) and/or have to play behind closed doors for a few matches (again, something I think the FA has to do, they have to come down on hard on clubs and encourage fans to self-police), all because of a mindless idiot who thinks he's being clever. Bearing in mind how well they're doing in the league it's going to be a very bitter blow.
I see some kid who posted stuff on social media about Grealish's brother, who died when he was four, has also received a lifetime ban from the club and the police are investigating. The steward who laid into Grealish and Hourihane (and possibly also a police woman) when the former scored and they jumped into the away end was led away by the police. I can't see him keeping his job either.
"A man of little significance"
I know you're Villa and therefore you probably despise the blue club of Birmingham but, what do you actually expect other fans to do about the idiot? If you're standing in row 8 (or whatever) and a guy walks past you toward the aisle, your first thought is probably that they're going to get refreshments or visit the loo. If he gets to the aisle and then runs full pelt down the stairs and over the barrier between stewards, what in all seriousness could you have expected anyone to do and why therefore, would you punish them for failing to live up to unrealistic expectations by banning them from a later game? Equally, the club, save from having a solid ring of stewards facing inward from the barriers, can do little to prevent such occurrences. I maintain that the only possible way to deter people from doing it in the first place is by making the sentencing as harsh as possible for the individual. Six or twelve months in clink and a lifetime ban from all grounds might make them think twice but you don't punish all the good fans or the club for his drunken or drugged-up ill-judgements.
Play the match in an empty stadium - no refunds to ticket holders. Any repeat offence, loss of any points so basically relegation but obviously this latter sanction would impact on finances and money talks.
How about a moat around the pitch?
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The only answer:
https://youtu.be/04clpd7h0b0
The Birmingham incident is unusual, plenty of idiots manage to find their way into the pitch, attacking a player isn't the norm.
I'd ban any fans from sitting on the first 5 rows for the rest of the season. It'll hurt the club a little, be a decent deterrent to other fans.
Although I'm not sure an idiot like that will pay attention to any rational deterrent.
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Unfair IMO to greatly punish the club. Not much they can do and imagine security/precautions at Birmingham similar to elsewhere.
A custodial sentence (as given) will make others think twice.
Why unfair? I stopped going to football in the late 70's for 5 years because of the violence. Birmingham City was one of the most violent grounds back then. Millwall being by far the worst, Leeds and West Ham were not far behind. Unfortunately Birmingham should be made an example of.
I can't believe that this supporter is not know for his views, no doubt those around him have tolerated his out bursts and language.
We've had idiots at my club (Southend) over the years, but if someone over steps the mark usually we (as supporters) step in.
A game or two behind closed doors may make others think twice? Stamp it out now or we go back to fences and nets and we all know where that leads!
Unfair because practically nothing they can do and probably doing the same as other clubs. Just down to luck and a supporter could go rogue at any ground.
And if it happens elsewhere it should be stamped down on there too. If some idiot had done that at Villa Park I'd support action against the fan and the club for allowing it to happen.
I would be amazed if the majority of City's and Villa's arrests, banning orders and public disorder offences didn't happen at derby matches (actually, last season didn't they start one of the derby matches at 5:30 or whatever, for Sky reasons? I bet over five hours of extra alcohol helped massively...). The police and clubs are going to have to look at how they can make some effective changes before next time.
"A man of little significance"
If I go to another event - a concert, horse race or whatever and commit such a crime is the venue held liable?
Why are football clubs liable for the action of spectators?
I was reading something about the 14-week sentence and how it was at the top end of what the magistrate could have given. There's a suggestion it was made more serious than it probably was (most people don't go to jail for a relatively light punch like that) because they need to make an example of him and deter anyone else from doing it and because they might have been concerns about public disorder if he hadn't been given a custodial sentence. Football clubs and supporters, especially in the same city, especially with such fierce rivalry, are a lot different to people going to a gig to see someone they want to see or a horse race, aren't they?
Besides, after he was hit a lot of people in the crowd were booing Grealish whenever he touched the ball. Classy, eh? Do you get half the people at a gig booing the band and having to be kept away from the other half of the people there? Or do people at horse races boo half the horses and jockeys on the course and have to be kept away from the other 50% of the spectators?
"A man of little significance"
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