Reply With QuoteMy car already has a speed limiter..
She normally sits in the passenger seat..🤪🤪
But yes it is electronically limited to 157mph👍
My car already has a speed limiter..
She normally sits in the passenger seat..🤪🤪
But yes it is electronically limited to 157mph👍
I would imagine within a month or two of such systems being introduced, the market would be awash with hacks or fixes to remove such a function ‘for track day use’ only or some such.
I wonder how many lives would be saved by stricter roads policing (or in fact any roads policing over and above a yellow box on a pole or a safety camera van) or regular re-testing of drivers etc? Or better and safer road design?
I’m really beginning to dislike how the answer to every problem these days is banning or regulating something.
So then people will just drive round letting their car choose it's speed and giving even less attention to their driving. Once again our law makers show no real world understanding.
We're leaving the EU.
this is probably the best if not only pro-brexit argument.
Originally Posted by spud767
We're leaving the EU.Would be swell if you actually read the article :this is probably the best if not only pro-brexit argument.
The UK’s exit from the EU is unlikely to have much effect on the ISA legislation: car makers are unlikely to homologate vehicles specifically for the UK market, while the UK’s type approval centre, the VCA, has previously said it intends to mirror European rules post-Brexit.
Maybe, but I’ve a feeling it’s not quite as simple as that.... on my car for example (Mustang) the finest tuners and remappers in the USA cannot hack the speed limiter, without it effecting other things... in the case of the mustang it’s the ABS... there are a few supercharged cars that will crack 190-200 mph, but as I understand it, they’re all running aftermarket ECU’s or a stock hacked ECU with ABS not enabled..
Ignore.
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Honestly, even as a diehard petrolhead, I've never understood why this sort of thing hasn't been implemented sooner.
The speed limit is 70. Sometimes you may need to crack that a smidgin for a reason. I'm not saying I don't speed.. indeed I do on occasion.. and I drive for fun. But I just find it hard to get upset when we're enforced by very specific rules regarding speeding yet we're given cars, even the cheapest of which, can cruise past those limits. Just take away the ability to do it.. I honestly don't care provided there's some kind of mechanism for bypassing it on track or overseas where speed limits may be different (and I say that as someone who has driven on track, and who does drive their own cars overseas too).
Exactly, the official statistics show that there are surprisingly few accidents where exceeding the speed limit is a cause (of possibly multiple causes). Obviously an accident at speed is likely to have worse consequences. (From memory, last time I saw the statistics, speeding was a cause in 17% of fatal and serious accidents. So at least 83% of serious accidents occur for reasons other than speeding.) Biggest causes (surprise, surprise) are inattention/carelessness/poor judgement. Those can all be offences but are all too rarely prosecuted because they can't be automatically detected by a camera on a stick. Bet you all know dozens of people who have been caught speeding. You won't know many prosecuted for "without due care" etc..
It should be quite simple, spend on enforcement in proportion to the risk. More traffic cars required. If the TV reality programmes are anything to go by, they also catch plenty of non-traffic offenders as they go about their business.
Last edited by David_D; 22nd February 2019 at 17:51.
Very few accidents are caused by speeding.
It's the crashing that's the problem
Being too close to the car in front is a bigger cause of accidents than the the overall speed in my opinion, and lane discipline at roundabouts. Basically crap driving.
Cheers..
Jase
Well, that will most likely kill the entire EU motor industry in one fell swoop.
there are lots of things coming in thenext 3-5 years, one of the biggest threats to the enjoyment of motoring in the old fashion sense is not speed limiters is " connected cars" , and another money making scheme ( sorry safety related incentives) is the speed camera vans with long range detectors of up to 1 KM of course of no consequence to the people who never break the road applicable speed limit .:-)
The are having a good go, once it’s properly broken they will pay all sorts of people loads of money to find out where it all went wrong.
I have wondered why that haven’t done this before, the last three cars I have owned have known where they are, within 5 meters, they know the speed of the car and know the speed limit on road I am travelling on, I have joked that they could put a printer in the dash and dish out the speeding tickets, of maybe they could issue them when the car is serviced. I have also assumed legislation isn’t right, maybe they have changed it.
No need, Road Fund Licence will be by monthly subscription direct debit, charged according to actual road usage and of course penalty charges added. Don’t pay? Car remotely deactivated.
Doesn’t the article mention an on/off switch?
It does, with a nag screen to say it’s switched off.
This must be GPS based, so a GPS jamming device would probably render it useless. Along with your own sat nav of course.
I wonder if it would still nag if it couldn’t see any satellites? Maybe there will be a market for devices that spoof GPS signals?
And, of course, if you weren’t already being tracked wherever you went, you will be!!
Can you imagine the driving if everyone had an exact 70 limiter on the motorway, it’d be like the lorries on the M26 (if anyone knows it) trying to overtake each other with weight and aerodynamic advantages haha
Won't it be controlled by the EU navigation system, Galileo they are bringing in to replace GPS? The same system they have told us we will not longer be involved with post Brexit. We have talked about our own sat nav system as a result. Don't see the Americans being dictated to by Europe through GPS.
It doesn’t matter which GPS satellites it would be using, if this system is GPS based, it will easily be bypassed.
That and driverless cars - I should have bought Uber shares a few years ago.
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In the early 80s the French gendarmes used to fine you by checking the times on the toll tickets so the toll companies ceased printing times - I expect similar will happen here, although I doubt it will be the car manufacturers creating the solution.
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Some overweight, short haired, knuckle dragging, cress nibbling, anti car "liberal y'know" fascists in my local council have instituted totally random 20mph zones which are difficult to see and not easily predictable as to location.
I use an alarm on my wife's car to warn of these potential money makers but in some cases the signage is so poor that the tech doesn't always pick them up or it picks them up when I can't verify whether it is a false pos or not. I thought these zones were to be by schools and congested pedestrian areas but Oh no - signs all over the place.
Combined with :
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...ay-fine-ticket
What is the cost ?
"who cares - it's not our money - Yay, gravy train all round" " Let's take an expenses paid familiarisation trip to wherever to look at a bunch of 20mph signs on a foreign road ( near a nice hotel)"
Sigh ...............
B
Last edited by Brian; 23rd February 2019 at 12:47.
So let’s not get rid of the cause of 17% of fatal or serious accidents, even though the technology is there and relatively easy to implement because it’s not the majority of the problem?
Im not saying that all speed limits are appropriate all the time, but reducing any accidents is a good thing...
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You're on a wind up, with people glued to their speedos all the time rather than concentrating on the road and conditions, what percentage of accidents will be attributed this.
It's not about safety, it's about money and control. It's just sold to to Joe Public on the perception of safety. If governments actually cared about safety they wouldn't ignore the elephant in the room which causes 65% of all fatal accidents. Human error. But ignore it they do because it would cost them to do something about that whereas they can make someone else pay for fitting speed limiters, even though it has the potential to kill an entire industrial sector. Typical short sighted bureaucratic bait and switch.
The whole point of automatic limiters would be that this problem would not exist...
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Please can you explain how it will kill an industry? And how we can eliminate human error from driving when autonomous systems don’t yet work fully?
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It’s too simplistic to say that GPS speed limiters would eradicate all speed related deaths and injuries.
There are plenty of people killed at below the speed limit where the driver was still driving at an inappropriate speed for the conditions.
For example, will the system recognise fog/rain, or slow for corners that the driver can’t see around sufficiently well to be able to stop should there be a hazard or pedestrian?
I suspect not, so all it will do is dumb down the already declining driving standards further IMHO.
Who in their right mind is going to buy a new car in 2022 that has been electronically castrated to 70mph, when the 2021 model is exactly the same except it is unlimited? No sane person would do that. This means the entire motor industry are in for a few very lean years. That means layoffs, closures and bankruptcies over an entire industrial sector. Some of the specialist manufacturers would not even be able to implement GPS speed limiters without a serious redesign of their cars. The cost of doing the development work alone could easily put enough financial stress on a small specialist manufacturer to put them out of business.
When was the last time you took some form of driver training? For most people that would be the day before they passed their driving test. And the standards required for passing a driving test are not much more than being able to operate, as in make move, and well short of being a skilled driver. I propose that if you get caught speeding or whatever, that instead of attending a "speeding is bad, mkay" course, you have to go on a real behind the wheel driving lesson with a real advanced driving instructor. The cost to the motorist would be roughly the same but you'd get some actual knowledge and skills out of it. The government won't do anything like that because they wouldn't make anything out of it.
That's my piece, and now I'm done.
Who would ever buy the latest model when you can get last years for significantly cheaper? It’s exactly the same...
And let me rephrase my second point, I never said that other measures wouldn’t be more effective, I asked why you wouldn’t do something to make us safer?
Honestly arguments like this just smack of people saying they are better drivers than anyone else so speed limits shouldn’t apply to me.
You can’t have policy to stop some people being bad drivers, there are too many of them
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I agree with all that except! I already make a box for one of the vehicle telematics companies that can do this with a very minor software change, it also has all of the failsafe approvals. The technology really isn’t challenging
The technology may not be challenging for those that are already technologically advanced but not everyone has the fly by wire, ECUs, GPS etc. needed to implement speed limiters in their vehicles as standard. The development cost for adding a software update is negligible but the development cost of redesigning your entire system to add all the supporting hardware is not.
Pretty much all cars use CAN and the ECUs fitted have enough I/O to cope, speed, steering angle, RPM and all the closed loop engine stuff, it really isn’t a big deal.
FTFY
No it’s not, not even remotely. Buy a Lamborghini Performante today, because it’s better than the previous model but that same car after the new legislation is capped to a top speed of 70 mph?
Sales would die out over night.
Last edited by jaytip; 24th February 2019 at 14:55.
No! Pretty much all Cars in current production have ECUs with CAN capability
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So now it’s performance HyperCar sales that would die out? Cars capable of speeds you can never ever do safely on the public roads? Completely the same as all car sales dying...
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You genuinely believe that limiting all new cars to 70mph wouldn’t have a MASSIVE effect on sales?
It would cost the car company billions in lost revenue.
One thing I really liked about the Peugeot I had was the ability to limit the speed.
I can't see this coping with variable limits too well, there'll be a lo of radio traffic flying about when limits change on the fly. What happens if one car misses the change? Who's responsible?
I don’t think it would be earth shattering, no. Especially since the system can be turned off according to the article. Do you really think most people who buy a Ford Focus care how fast it goes? Especially once it’s got to motorway cruising speeds?
Besides, if it were that undesirable then used car prices would increase dramatically, which would make new cars relatively cheaper and thus increase demand. Also would likely lower insurance costs for cars that have it fitted as well.
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AKA Elephant Racing 😟
All this talk of limiting the speed, what about limiting the driver of his/her phone whilst driving??
Got to be the biggest distraction and cause of road accidents currently and will be getting worse in the future due to people’s obsession with their phones..
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According to DoT figures for 2015:
Mobile phone use: 1.5% of fatal accidents, 0.4% of all accidents
Exceeding the speed limit 15% of fatal accidents, 5% of total accidents
Driver error: 68% of fatal accidents and 72% of all accidents.
Phone use is one of the most publicly hated and vilified of all driving offences
Speeding is the place where most government action is taken and by pure coincidence nets around £0.8 billion in fines per year
Driver error is completely ignored by virtually everyone.
The government's and the public's attitude to road safety is almost 180 degrees opposed to reality.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...rrcgb-2015.pdf
How might that be done?
As for limiting speeds, speed limits exist and if they can be enforced more easily, why not? What is the objection, the limits themselves or the ability to break them w/o being caught?
If all cars have gps controlled speed limiters, where’s the £0.8 billion in lost revenue going to come from?
You can be sure that they’ll claw it back somewhere!
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