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    Some people who consider themselves "watch enthusiasts" are really just marketing enthusiasts.
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    GMT functionality is like a politician. It seems to be everywhere but is of very little use to the vast majority of us.

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    What’s your unpopular watch opinion?

    The usual ‘”refrain Rolex is like money in the bank’” can only be said about steel Sub and Daytona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idontgram View Post
    Sinn are massively over rated by the community.

    The case designs are basic, the bezel actions are wobbly and their chronos are unbelievably thick. Things like argon filling and copper sulphate dehumidifying capsules are solutions for problems that don’t really exist and just add to the servicing costs. I’ll give tegimented cases their due but I did manage to scratch one after a week of ownership.

    They get away with it by appealing to the tough guy action man collectors seem to want to be and passing it off as utilitarian but utilitarian doesn’t wash at the prices they’re charging nowadays.
    And the lume isn’t that great on them either…


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyf View Post
    And the lume isn’t that great on them either…


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    That’s not an opinion- it’s a fact! Cr@p lume on every one I own. For some strange reason they insist on using C1

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    What’s your unpopular watch opinion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    That’s not an opinion- it’s a fact! Cr@p lume on every one I own. For some strange reason they insist on using C1
    I remember picking up my new U1 SDR and excitedly shining a torch on it and running into the understairs cupboard like a 5 year old. I admit to feeling a little deflated when I compared it to my CWC. It didn’t stop me getting an ezm3 a couple of years later though. Sadly the lume on that was no better than the U1.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyf View Post
    And the lume isn’t that great on them either…


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinnlover View Post
    That’s not an opinion- it’s a fact! Cr@p lume on every one I own. For some strange reason they insist on using C1
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbyf View Post
    I remember picking up my new U1 SDR and excitedly shining a torch on it and running into the understairs cupboard like a 5 year old. I admit to feeling a little deflated when I compared it to my CWC. It didn’t stop me getting an ezm3 a couple of years later though. Sadly the lume on that was no better than the U1.


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    Wow, I thought I was going to catch some heat for my unpopular opinion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idontgram View Post
    Wow, I thought I was going to catch some heat for my unpopular opinion!
    No you are wrong…. :-)
    They are still great watches.
    But Bobby F was right though. they do have crap lume.
    But opinions are like ar5eholes - we all have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idontgram View Post
    Sinn are massively over rated by the community.

    The case designs are basic, the bezel actions are wobbly and their chronos are unbelievably thick. Things like argon filling and copper sulphate dehumidifying capsules are solutions for problems that don’t really exist and just add to the servicing costs. I’ll give tegimented cases their due but I did manage to scratch one after a week of ownership.

    They get away with it by appealing to the tough guy action man collectors seem to want to be and passing it off as utilitarian but utilitarian doesn’t wash at the prices they’re charging nowadays.
    You've summed up my thoughts on Sinn tech far more succinctly than I could do. Having managed to put a fairly noticeable rub line across the underside of a lug on a Damasko DA36 the first time I changed the strap (caused by the springbar rubbing against the ice-hardened case), I'm wary of any sort of case treatment. Again they just make it more expensive to get refinished (if it's even possible to refinish).

    I've owned a U1 and a U50 - the U1 was on rubber and the clasp was as big and heavy as the watch! The U50 was better proportioned but I struggled to see the value in it at the price and the SDR bezel on it wasn't as nice as I thought it'd be looking at pics (the plain steel on the U1 I had seemed much more suited to the rest of the watch aesthetic).

    All that still doesn't stop me from wanting to try out an 856 UTC at some point though!


    Quote Originally Posted by theancientmariner View Post
    GMT functionality is like a politician. It seems to be everywhere but is of very little use to the vast majority of us.
    Despite the fact I've ony had one holiday in my lifetime where the GMT functionality would've been genuinely handy to have (7 hours time difference and despite my best efforts and reasonable arithmetic skills, I really struggled to quickly make the conversion in my head), I still like the idea and look of a few GMT watches (the Sinn 856, 5 digit polar explorer II, GMT Master old & new versions). But I acknowledge that a 12 hour rotating bezel is a far simpler and arguably just as effective method of reading a second time zone.


    Which leads nicely into my own unpopular watch opinion: elapsed time/count up dive bezels are nowhere near as useful as a countdown bezel for 'land-based' activities. Apart from the Tudor FXD I struggle to find any watches with a countdown bezel that I like though, rather disappointingly.
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    I don't like Rolex's. I think they look hideous, they're overpriced and they've gone from being proper 'tool' watches to bling.

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    Omega can't seem to get decent Speedmaster chrono hands alignment to save their life. Almost every Speedy I see is off. This is my OCD, fair doos, but I still think Omega, in general, has some dial fit/finishing problems.

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    Another: Tudor taking a Breitling movement that can time to 12 hours and just have it show 45 mins is daft. Their Black Bay chronograph is less useful for timing something than any divers watch with a bezel. Well done! And I've not even mentioned the snowflake hour hand blocking that 45 min dial...
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    What’s your unpopular watch opinion?

    Rolex made a mistake when they retired drilled lugs. And Omega made a mistake by not having them on their steel sports watches from the 60s onwards.
    All that faffing with shouldered spring bars, forked tools and sometimes a loupe—; …when instead you could have changed from bracelet to strap and back again with a paper clip.


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    Quote Originally Posted by watchcollector1 View Post
    Some people who consider themselves "watch enthusiasts" are really just marketing enthusiasts.
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    GShocks are for kids.

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    I don’t like deep rehauts

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker View Post
    GShocks are for kids.
    So that includes all us BIG Kids on here too then hey!.


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    I think that all Tudor owners, when receiving a compliment on their watch - will relate of it's connection to Rolex, but insisting it is a totally different make.

    (They won't mention crisps)

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    Microbrands suck. Bought a few, none have stayed. Ditto any sort of homage. Just can’t wear them without a hankering to get something proper out of the watch box. And by proper I might mean a proper Casio or a proper Timex, so it’s not a money thing or posh brand thing, they just leave a bad taste.

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    Bund straps are wonderful.
    There. I said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    Microbrands suck. Bought a few, none have stayed. Ditto any sort of homage. Just can’t wear them without a hankering to get something proper out of the watch box. And by proper I might mean a proper Casio or a proper Timex, so it’s not a money thing or posh brand thing, they just leave a bad taste.
    Tend to agree with your comments, had a few microbrands, wear once or twice, but then always default to a 'proper' watch, no snobbishness inferred BTW.


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    Seiko divers - skx007 etc. Seriously overrated. Unpopular, I know.

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    It's actually far more enjoyable to have one watch that you wear the heck out of than having a rotation of watches that you desperately try to keep in mint condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nealywheelie View Post
    Tend to agree with your comments, had a few microbrands, wear once or twice, but then always default to a 'proper' watch, no snobbishness inferred BTW.


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    Yup. I’m the same. I want to like them but after a short-lived flurry of excitement, they tend to sit in the box unloved and get moved on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    It's actually far more enjoyable to have one watch that you wear the heck out of than having a rotation of watches that you desperately try to keep in mint condition.
    +++


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    Apart from the size, the PP Cubitus looks better than the Cartier Santos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsguy View Post
    Apart from the size, the PP Cubitus looks better than the Cartier Santos.
    ...and the Nautilus


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    Mesh bracelets look universally awful. I’ve never seen one on any watch and thought it looked better than either leather, rubber, or another metal bracelet would. I realise people have different tastes but I just can’t get my head around that one


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    Quote Originally Posted by wilfmannion View Post
    Mesh bracelets look universally awful. I’ve never seen one on any watch and thought it looked better than either leather, rubber, or another metal bracelet would. I realise people have different tastes but I just can’t get my head around that one
    Agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilfmannion View Post
    Mesh bracelets look universally awful. I’ve never seen one on any watch and thought it looked better than either leather, rubber, or another metal bracelet would. I realise people have different tastes but I just can’t get my head around that one


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    I also believe and practise the one watch only rule! For better or worse. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickRed71 View Post
    Rolex made a mistake when they retired drilled lugs. And Omega made a mistake by not having them on their steel sports watches from the 60s onwards.
    YES; any "dive" watch needs drilled lugs ! In fact why does any watch NOT have drilled lugs, they have to drill half a whole (get it) for the spring bar, so just keep going, and make strap changing easy !?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gren View Post
    YES; any "dive" watch needs drilled lugs ! In fact why does any watch NOT have drilled lugs, they have to drill half a whole (get it) for the spring bar, so just keep going, and make strap changing easy !?
    Genuine question - do drilled lugs negate the possibility of damage to the back of the lugs during a strap change? I’ve owned a few vintage watches with drilled lugs that show a fair bit of damage sadly

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    Integrated bracelets are the devil's work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    It's actually far more enjoyable to have one watch that you wear the heck out of than having a rotation of watches that you desperately try to keep in mint condition.
    There is the third alternative of having a bunch of watches, wearing the one you feel like wearing at any particular time, and not worrying at all about keeping them in mint condition.

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    Watch companies! You don't need to release a novelty Halloween watch this year, or any year. It was probably good fun at one time, but now it's just getting sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    Genuine question - do drilled lugs negate the possibility of damage to the back of the lugs during a strap change? I’ve owned a few vintage watches with drilled lugs that show a fair bit of damage sadly
    They certainly don't negate it Rob, damage can still be inflicted by either the springbar end itself or the tool when refitting a strap or bracelet. But it makes removal far simpler and should negate damage during this stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullbreakfast View Post
    There is the third alternative of having a bunch of watches, wearing the one you feel like wearing at any particular time, and not worrying at all about keeping them in mint condition.
    This


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullbreakfast View Post
    There is the third alternative of having a bunch of watches, wearing the one you feel like wearing at any particular time, and not worrying at all about keeping them in mint condition.
    And another vote for this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    Genuine question - do drilled lugs negate the possibility of damage to the back of the lugs during a strap change? I’ve owned a few vintage watches with drilled lugs that show a fair bit of damage sadly
    They don’t, no. Hence I’ve never really understood the comments that much to be honest, getting a bracelet or strap back on is far harder IMO than getting it removed, so the ease of getting it off is vastly less useful with drilled lugs.
    My Grand Seiko SBGT241 is an absolute mare, the bracelet is so tight to the case I still scratched it (having taped the back of the lugs as well) when putting it back on. Drilled lugs didn’t make much difference in that regard!
    I expect this will be an unpopular watch opinion…

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeBird View Post
    They don’t, no. Hence I’ve never really understood the comments that much to be honest, getting a bracelet or strap back on is far harder IMO than getting it removed, so the ease of getting it off is vastly less useful with drilled lugs.
    My Grand Seiko SBGT241 is an absolute mare, the bracelet is so tight to the case I still scratched it (having taped the back of the lugs as well) when putting it back on. Drilled lugs didn’t make much difference in that regard!
    I expect this will be an unpopular watch opinion…
    Really? I've usually found removing a tightly fitted strap or bracelet much harder than replacing it.

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    What’s your unpopular watch opinion?

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeBird View Post
    They don’t, no. Hence I’ve never really understood the comments that much to be honest, getting a bracelet or strap back on is far harder IMO than getting it removed, so the ease of getting it off is vastly less useful with drilled lugs.
    My Grand Seiko SBGT241 is an absolute mare, the bracelet is so tight to the case I still scratched it (having taped the back of the lugs as well) when putting it back on. Drilled lugs didn’t make much difference in that regard!
    I expect this will be an unpopular watch opinion…
    I suspect it’s all part of the ‘a proper dive watch has drilled lugs, like the Sub 5513 had until the 16610 LV blah blah blah’ nonsense that we WIS use to differentiate between models that we collectively like and add a sort of halo to, vs those that we think signifies a drop in quality or a move away from tool watch to jewellery. I’m wearing a bronze Hamilton khaki field today which does without drilled lugs where the steel cased versions have them. I’ve seen that criticised on multiple reviews but in reality I only ever swap it between NATOs so have no intention of touching the bars. I think it gives the side profile a smoother and more elegant look anyway, and is of zero significance

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    I suspect it’s all part of the ‘a proper dive watch has drilled lugs, like the Sub 5513 had until the 16610 LV blah blah blah’ nonsense that we WIS use to differentiate between models that we collectively like and add a sort of halo to, vs those that we think signifies a drop in quality or a move away from tool watch to jewellery. I’m wearing a bronze Hamilton khaki field today which does without drilled lugs where the steel cased versions have them. I’ve seen that criticised on multiple reviews but in reality I only ever swap it between NATOs so have no intention of touching the bars. I think it gives the side profile a smoother and more elegant look anyway, and is of zero significance
    I completely agree and almost added that, but thought I may cop enough flak with my view that I don’t think they’re as useful as claimed!
    I think there’s probably quite a lot of those ‘requirements’ for a dive watch, some sensible and others less so.

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Really? I've usually found removing a tightly fitted strap or bracelet much harder than replacing it.
    Yes, absolutely. How funny - we are all different!
    I just find removal simplistic, remove one bar and a little pressure to keep bracelet not firmly attached, remove the other and a firm push and bracelet off; replacement seems to be trying to do two springbar ends simultaneously - unless there is a lot of play in the bracelet!

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    Collecting shoes is much more fun than collecting watches.
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    Part : skeleton watches are hideous
    Part : the only thing worse is a faux-mechanical skeleton that’s actually quartz.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tobywatches View Post
    Part : skeleton watches are hideous
    Part : the only thing worse is a faux-mechanical skeleton that’s actually quartz.


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    these seem to be pretty popular opinions

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    In fairness i really dont like non-drilled lugs.
    Theyre a pain in the a$$ and as a result i can never be bothered to change straps, which i suppose is a bonus.

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