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    Some of the pricing is eye-watering, but quite a few look good. I like the novel idea of offering experiences with the Limited Edition variants - though for the 20k premiums you'd expect as much!!!

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    Cool looking designs but I feel a bit too much on the fashion side.

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    the blue/gray 42mm is really nice... shame about the pricing but with the right discount I'd consider one...

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    The second one down looks fantastic ,hope I win the lottery this weekend

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    I'm in love with the 959 (the 42mm with "shark-grey" dial), and I'll be first in the queue when they become available. I really liked the colors of the Guillaume Nery edition, so I'm super happy to see the same in watch that I can actually wear.

    I like the new design language of the 984 and 985 - the sandwich indices work really well. But I can't help feeling that these watches would benefit from not having a date (oh, and being 42mm as well 😉).

    Looks like my 682 will be up for sale when the 959 is available!

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    Have to agree, panerai pricing is a turn off

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    Quote Originally Posted by gladders View Post
    I'm in love with the 959 (the 42mm with "shark-grey" dial), and I'll be first in the queue when they become available. I really liked the colors of the Guillaume Nery edition, so I'm super happy to see the same in watch that I can actually wear.

    I like the new design language of the 984 and 985 - the sandwich indices work really well. But I can't help feeling that these watches would benefit from not having a date (oh, and being 42mm as well ).

    Looks like my 682 will be up for sale when the 959 is available!

    simon
    Bumping this up with one interesting piece of information on the movement from ablogtowatch -

    One key difference between the three new 42mm models and the older 682 is what’s inside. While the older reference carried a P.9010 three-day movement, these new Submersibles house the caliber OP XXXIV, a Richemont Group-developed automatic movement tailored specifically for Panerai with a date and three-day power reserve. It’s a relatively simple movement, comprising nearly 30 fewer components and lacking the zero-reset and independently adjustable hour hand found in other 9000 series automatic movements.

    https://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-luminor-submersible-42mm-pam00683-pam00959-pam00959-watches/


    So Panerai have cheapened up the movement it seems and probably jacked up the price?

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    I really like the dial of America´s Cup version from the pictures

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyp View Post
    Bumping this up with one interesting piece of information on the movement from ablogtowatch -

    One key difference between the three new 42mm models and the older 682 is what’s inside. While the older reference carried a P.9010 three-day movement, these new Submersibles house the caliber OP XXXIV, a Richemont Group-developed automatic movement tailored specifically for Panerai with a date and three-day power reserve. It’s a relatively simple movement, comprising nearly 30 fewer components and lacking the zero-reset and independently adjustable hour hand found in other 9000 series automatic movements.

    https://www.ablogtowatch.com/panerai-luminor-submersible-42mm-pam00683-pam00959-pam00959-watches/


    So Panerai have cheapened up the movement it seems and probably jacked up the price?
    I am sorry this is sooo BAD.
    I have owned a couple of Panerais and were always concerned about the fact that whatever it is, IMHO, they are a Richemont Homage to a piece of Watch History (they are only about 300 genuine Panerais (pre 1993/97) with Rolex or Angelus movements. Being of Italian origins, I so wanted to love them, but they make it very hard for a watch aficionado to do so.
    WTH is this collection about??? Fashion??? for £20k.
    I guess the markets dictates it, but to be honest it is a horrible piece of Veblen . Less quality, less taste, more color for way much more $$$

    I passionately hate the brand now....

    I'll get my coat....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacchi View Post
    I am sorry this is sooo BAD.
    I have owned a couple of Panerais and were always concerned about the fact that whatever it is, IMHO, they are a Richemont Homage to a piece of Watch History (they are only about 300 genuine Panerais (pre 1993/97) with Rolex or Angelus movements. Being of Italian origins, I so wanted to love them, but they make it very hard for a watch aficionado to do so.
    WTH is this collection about??? Fashion??? for £20k.
    I guess the markets dictates it, but to be honest it is a horrible piece of Veblen . Less quality, less taste, more color for way much more $$$

    I passionately hate the brand now....

    I'll get my coat....
    You can also make a distinction from when Richemont bought them to when they started going in-house. The sad thing was, the first in-house watches like the 233 were exceptional. All downhill since then in too many releases, too many SEs, cheapening the whole in-house, snap-on cheapened construction and overall quite confusing.

    I have 2 left - a 111 and 190. I thought the 682 was one of the best recent releases from Panerai, but these short-cuts are not good at all.

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    I have the 1389 Amagnetic Sub with the blue second hand, which I love. The list price on these watches is a little eye watering now!! I'm pretty certain my first Panerai 44mm I bought in 1999 was just over £1000!

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    I have a couple of steel 44mm subs which I much prefer to just about anything that was released this year. And selling both would not realise enough to buy the cheapest new release.
    I love the brand, huge fan, but not sure where they're going.

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    I’ve been a massive Panerai fan and still have a titanium base in my collection, but these all look a bit toy-ish...

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    I’ve been a massive Panerai fan and still have a titanium base in my collection, but these all look a bit toy-ish...

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    Its the date window that gets me, why would a date be necessary while diving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allwatches View Post
    Its the date window that gets me, why would a date be necessary while diving?
    Can you please ask Rolex that question too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyp View Post
    Can you please ask Rolex that question too?
    I haven't been in the sea this century and I know the answer to this question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Amf View Post
    I haven't been in the sea this century and I know the answer to this question
    Please, no spoilers!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allwatches View Post
    Its the date window that gets me, why would a date be necessary while diving?
    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allwatches View Post
    Its the date window that gets me, why would a date be necessary while diving?
    Divers have the right to know what day it is too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allwatches View Post
    Its the date window that gets me, why would a date be necessary while diving?
    Why is a dive watch necessary for non-divers?

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    Haha fair point, what I meant is I would've preferred the watch without the date is all :P

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    Gee - I own a PAM 24 that I bought used for about $4000 almost exactly 7 years ago. I still wear it all the time and even though it's seen some hard use, I wouldn't trade it for any of the watches pictured above.

    Sometimes it seems that most of the older/original models don't get much attention, since they keep coming out with new/limited edition models every year. But as someone who owns 3 PAMS, I have to say most of the new ones do nothing for me.

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    A watch brand that got me watches. Really wanted about 8years and lucky enough to pick a 560 last year. To me one of the last produced, relatively good price 2nd hand Panerai to own. Sandwich base dial, 44mm, in house 8 day movement (touch wood no issues) and prefer over ETA, screw bars & screw in case back. From what I see now from the brand in sky high prices & corners being cut on cost. Shame for the fans, but I guess business is business. Glad I have mine and will most likely never sell it, but doubt I’ll have another new model (unless they magically produce a like for like 44mm 372).


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    I really like a lot of these but the pricing is out of my league.

    Pretty scandalous as well that the movement has been downgraded and the price increased in the 42mm

    Was a new Bronzo released ? Haven’t seen anything about this.

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    Bingo.... Bronzo

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASW1 View Post
    Bingo.... Bronzo
    Looks awesome.

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    why Is there nothing mentioned about this at SIHH Or have I missed something ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAM580 View Post
    why Is there nothing mentioned about this at SIHH Or have I missed something ??
    Probably some sort of embargo for the official release at a later date. Panerai have done this a few times, I don't know why, but hey ho.

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