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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Backward point View Post
    The plot thins. The car "revealed" at the RAC Club last week may or may not have been the 2019 car, but Haas have released pictures of the full-on 2019 version, and Motorsport.com have produced a handy comparison slidey-thing to show the differences:

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...-view/4334372/

    So there we are. Ten years after the FIA decided that the way to spice up the racing and improve the chances of one car being able to follow, and ultimately overtake a rival, by widening the front wings and narrowing the rear, this season's cars will have wider front and rear wings in order to spice up the racing and allow... etc.

    Basically, the main difference this year is that the front wings have been changed to reduce "outwash" which occurs when the air flow is directed around the outside of the front wheels by intricate shaping of the front wing elements and endplates, resulting in increased turbulence behind the car, to less complex "inwash" designs which direct air inboard of the front wheels which apparently reduces the turbulent wake, and will allow another car to follow without a drastic reduction in downforce.

    So there you have it. Give it half a season and the finest aerodynamicists on the planet will have worked out a way to circumvent the rules to their team's benefit, and dump a load of turbulent hot air for the following car to deal with. The 2018 cars had front wings and endplates which worked together to produce counter-rotating vortices which blended when they met to reduce the turbulence behind the front wheels, and attach to the undersides of the cut away sidepods to exit above, and increase the efficiency of, the rear diffuser. If the FIA think that they can outsmart aero-geekery at that kind of level, they may have underestimated the engineers.
    If the FIA were serious regarding close racing all they need to do is quantify the amount or proportion of wake, as with must things it is more to do with vested interests

  2. #52
    You're a real ray of pragmatism as always, Adrian.

    I'm disappointed in you though. We're almost into pre-season testing, and no rant about Lando Norris and his daddy's money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backward point View Post
    You're a real ray of pragmatism as always, Adrian.

    I'm disappointed in you though. We're almost into pre-season testing, and no rant about Lando Norris and his daddy's money?
    I haven’t warmed up for this year yet (-: I hope Russell gets a car that can show his obvious talent, it will be interesting to see how competitive the Ferrari Romeo is, Horner is already busy rehearsing his excuses, other than that I’ll go back to sleep for a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backward point View Post
    I'm disappointed in you though. We're almost into pre-season testing, and no rant about Lando Norris and his daddy's money?
    I think Lance Stroll has set the bar too high - his daddy bought him an entire team!

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    F1 title sponsorship is a funny world these days. One team is now sponsored by an energy drink that isn’t really sold anywhere, it seems. And now, another team is sponsored by a ‘phone company that hasn’t sold any ‘phones. What could possibly go wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo73 View Post
    F1 title sponsorship is a funny world these days. One team is now sponsored by an energy drink that isn’t really sold anywhere, it seems. And now, another team is sponsored by a ‘phone company that hasn’t sold any ‘phones. What could possibly go wrong?

    Finding a team that has been sponsored by Seaborne Freight?

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    Williams new colour scheme.

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    Looking at the pictures of the Merc W10, you have to wonder if the aerodynamicists have beaten the rule makers already, its a stunning looking thing. I wonder what the Red Bull will look like

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    The Williams colour scheme looks good this year!

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    Eagerly awaiting the new Force India scheme in a few hours

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    Quote Originally Posted by Culminator View Post
    Eagerly awaiting the new Force India scheme in a few hours
    Here ya go.

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    I’m pretty sure it won’t be, but the new McLaren looks great!

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    I’m pretty sure it won’t be, but the new McLaren looks great!

  13. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by jaytip View Post
    Here ya go.
    Good lord. Somebody took a step back, looked at that and thought "Mmmm, that looks good!"

    What a complete dog's dinner.

    There's a common theme among all of the colour schemes revealed so far, in that the areas of interest, namely the lower nose, barge boards, front and undersides of the sidepods are all black, which means that interested parties can't look at any of the intricate aero solutions.

    I quite like the Alfa, which is at least distinctive, and they've done something different with the front wing:





    If anybody can find a head-on shot of the Alfa front wing, please post it. Thanks.

    The colour scheme is either temporary or permanent, depending on who you listen to. At this stage of the pre-season there's a lot of misinformation being bandied about as fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukea View Post
    I’m pretty sure it won’t be, but the new McLaren looks great!

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    I’m pretty sure it won’t be, but the new McLaren looks great!
    I'm not convinced - but then again I've never liked the McLaren orange and I like the dipped-wings blue even less! I certainly hope they make progress this season but I'm not holding out much hope.

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    Yep, the Force car looks as bad as last year.

  16. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Backward point View Post
    If anybody can find a head-on shot of the Alfa front wing, please post it. Thanks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D2y57UjOeE

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    this is sort of interesting, I haven't a clue if it is accurate.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I9O5nhGAis

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwillans View Post
    I'm not convinced - but then again I've never liked the McLaren orange and I like the dipped-wings blue even less! I certainly hope they make progress this season but I'm not holding out much hope.
    McLarens are orange, if it was good enough for Bruce...:

  19. #69
    The Ferrari looks ready to go as well, another great looking car, testing is going to be interesting

    Didn't know that Mission Winnow is effectively Philip Morris

    I'm rubbish at posting pictures but starting to think the Ferrari and Alfa front wings are dummies.
    Last edited by adrianw; 15th February 2019 at 11:58.

  20. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    Thanks for that, Adrian. It seems that the teams have gone in different directions with front wing design, either the radical Alfa solution which minimises the number and width of the maximum five permitted elements, or the more conservative route of using five elements which extend to the endplates.

    There's a video of Kimi Raikkonen shaking down the new Alfa at Ferrari's Fiorano test track here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLM3G_YXoTg

    Most teams are using one of their permitted "filming days" as a pre-pre-season test. They are restricted to 100km, and must run specific non-race compound tyres supplied by Pirelli for these sessions.

    A quick word on tyres for this season - Pirelli will as usual supply three different compounds for each race weekend, but instead of having the various compounds identified by their colours on the tyre sidewalls, they will now only use three colours: White for the hardest compound, yellow for Medium, red for soft.

    Which means that for Silverstone, the hardest compound, previously blue, will be white, and the softest will be the 2018 Medium, previously coloured yellow, which in 2019 will be red, whereas for Monaco in 2019 the red tyres, which were previously Soft, will be white, and the Hypersofts, which used to be pink will now be red.

    All clear? Good. Here's another attempt to explain it from Pitpass: https://www.pitpass.com/63846/Pirell...for-test-tyres
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    none of us can really gleam anything from the test as we haven't a clue what the teams are actually doing but Williams not tuning up is very bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardShark View Post
    Interesting new role for Rob Smedley.

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/s...liams/4338607/
    On first sight, it came across to me as being mainly a PR/Marketing role. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petethegeek View Post
    On first sight, it came across to me as being mainly a PR/Marketing role. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.

    It is, at least that's how I read it as well. It'll be his role to give greater insight as to how the teams and cars function on a technical basis, as long as the correct balance is achieved between getting newbies hooked and more experienced fans informed then this can only be good news.

    Sky F1 are currently showing the first day's test sessions, they'll also be broadcasting over the week 1pm-6pm. Karun Chandhok has moved from C4 to Sky this year and is commentating alongside David Croft, Ferrari on track with Vettel at the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    none of us can really gleam anything from the test as we haven't a clue what the teams are actually doing but Williams not tuning up is very bad news.
    Seems they will miss tomorrow too.
    What a shame. They are in my perception one of the most sympathetic teams.

    I wonder how F1 will develop with Ferrari now in effect fielding síx cars. That gives them a silly amount of clout and we all know how they wield that clout.
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

  26. #76
    George Russell was putting a brave face on with regards to his team's situation, he basically said that it won't matter that much that they'll lose two days testing. Yeah, right.

    Ferrari will certainly have some "clout" over the grid what with Haas and Alfa both being considered to be teams with technical links with the Italian outfit. I think I'm also correct in stating that the Torro Rosso doesn't only share the engine with Red Bull but also the entire back end - engine, gearbox and, therefore (I'd imagine, due to the mounting points), suspension as well.
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    Is this McLaren's best pre-season testing day in years? 1) Car drives 2) 56 laps so far 3) Not slowest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardShark View Post
    George Russell was putting a brave face on with regards to his team's situation, he basically said that it won't matter that much that they'll lose two days testing. Yeah, right.

    Ferrari will certainly have some "clout" over the grid what with Haas and Alfa both being considered to be teams with technical links with the Italian outfit. I think I'm also correct in stating that the Torro Rosso doesn't only share the engine with Red Bull but also the entire back end - engine, gearbox and, therefore (I'd imagine, due to the mounting points), suspension as well.

    I think it might be time to introduce some rules about team and associated team tactics, blocking,slowing, pitlane etc., Ferrari were spoiling races last season using these tactics. Get caught obviously doing it and a time or grid penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogthrob View Post
    Is this McLaren's best pre-season testing day in years? 1) Car drives 2) 56 laps so far 3) Not slowest.
    For sure none of the teams showed their teeth and they all had their own test/tactical obejectives. Mercedes being a case in point.

    Reliability though was a good show.
    Though not likely anything near full bore, the Hondas were at the sharp end of this game ánd lasted a lot of laps.


    My worry concerning Ferrari is their clout behind closed doors. Even with Mercedes being thé team to beat and then some, Ferrari are close to béing F1. We can just hope that there is a Red Bull in the china shop.
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

  30. #80
    For the first day of pre-season testing, that was remarkable for an almost complete lack of mechanical "issues".

    There's a concise summary here: https://www.pitpass.com/63919/Vettel...019-intentions

    Drawing too many conclusions from pre-season testing is impossible, due to variations in fuel loads, ballast, tyres, and other variables, but today was notable for the lack of red flags (there are few marshals, and any stranded cars need to be recovered to the pits before running can resume, so a breakdown will result in the session being red flagged), and the number of laps completed.

    McLaren fans will no doubt delight in the second fastest time set by Carlos Sainz, but Williams are struggling to even get their car on track, at a time when they need as much running time as possible. Even if they make it out on Wednesday they will have lost 25% of testing time, and every lap counts as it generates data which is needed to fine tune the car, and compare "actual" aero results to those from the wind tunnel and CFD.

    Tomorrow will feature some of the new generation of drivers, with Lando Norris, Alexander Albon and Charles Leclerc due to perform. It would also have been George Russell's first opportunity to drive the Williams, but he will once again be in the paddock while the others get to grips with the new 2019 cars and their revised aero.
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  31. #81
    The red bull looks phenomenal. Tiny tiny side pods an a very aggressive rear. I really hope they’re back in proper fighting form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukea View Post
    The red bull looks phenomenal. Tiny tiny side pods an a very aggressive rear. I really hope they’re back in proper fighting form.
    I don't understand why the Honda engine sounds so awful at low revs. I know that it's not designed to run at low revs, and under power it actually sounds pretty good, but in the pit lane it's like a bag of spanners in a tumble dryer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backward point View Post
    I don't understand why the Honda engine sounds so awful at low revs. I know that it's not designed to run at low revs, and under power it actually sounds pretty good, but in the pit lane it's like a bag of spanners in a tumble dryer.
    Could be running so much overlap that it doesn’t. Make compression until a given point,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukea View Post
    The red bull looks phenomenal. Tiny tiny side pods an a very aggressive rear. I really hope they’re back in proper fighting form.
    It would be great to see three or more teams regularly fighting over the top step on the podium, wouldn't it? Red Bull, in my armchair enthusiast's opinion, had the best chassis last season, it was only the relatively under-powered Renault engine that let the side down as it seemed obvious to me that both drivers and chassis were up to the job. I've said in the past that Verstappen is mighty fast yet hasn't (yet) got the maturity to go with it, I still stand by that now though even if he doesn't mature you wouldn't lose any money on betting that he'll add some action on a race weekend. That's not a bad thing.

    Re the change in tyre markings, it's actually quite simple and I for one am glad that the colour coding has been revised. Did anyone else watching the session notice the rear wing end-plate ERS lights today? I wasn't aware of this change until today, will they be lit in wet weather as per the light at the rear of the crash structure?

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    Back to the golden days

    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

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    Amazing initial reliability from most of the teams and great to see McLaren making progress. Would love to see Williams improve too but might have to wait a while longer for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Culminator View Post
    Amazing initial reliability from most of the teams and great to see McLaren making progress. Would love to see Williams improve too but might have to wait a while longer for that!
    Well at least until they get a car to the track!

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    Well that would be a big improvement for sure! ;-)

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    Honda

    Horner is making enhusiastic sounds about the Honda power plant. It seems the best install they have had in F1 sofar. Well, they did have > two years to make the chassis and engine designs compatible.
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    It seems the best install they have had in F1 sofar.
    I would have thought that would have been when they won four world titles with Renault power.

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    DR losing a part of his rear wing... After all, it's a Renault...

    https://twitter.com/F1?ref_src=twsrc...-achtervleugel

    Scroll a little down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaytip View Post
    I would have thought that would have been when they won four world titles with Renault power.
    He was referring to the process of integrating the two.
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post

    Also Ricciardo losing a wing after leaving Red Bull ;-)
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    They (Rich Energy) are ripe to have the pee taken out of them. I just hope that Haas a) are able to get another title sponsor next season when RE bugger off and b) Haas don't suffer too much from being what could reasonably be considered to be Ferrari's 3rd team after Alfa. Haas and Ferrari share the same wind tunnel however surely Alfa is now No.2.

    Albon is currently running around the circuit with green, as opposed to red, flashing ERS lights due to the fact that he still doesn't have his Super Licence, this is due to be granted soon by the World Motorsport Council. He has enough points to qualify due to his '16/'17/'18 results in GP2 and GP3, it's just a matter of sorting the paperwork, in the meantime he's got the equivalent of green "P" plates on his car.

    This great video explains how drivers can earn their Super Licence - https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/co...w_drivers_can/

  46. #96
    I've just been comparing lap times for yesterday and (so far) today with last year's practise and quali times at Barcelona.

    Fastest lap time yesterday was set by Vettel at 1.18.161, last year's fastest times -

    P1 - 1.18.141
    P2 - 1.18.259
    P3 - 1.17.281
    Q1 - 1.17.031
    Q2 - 1.16.082
    Q3 - 1.16.173
    Race Lap - 1.18.441

    Fastest time set in today's morning test session was 1.18.247, set by Leclerc on the same compound tyres used by his teammate yesterday.

    Of course there are many variables etc considering we haven't even concluded day 2 of 8 test days however these times are shaping up quite well considering they were supposed to be a net 1.5sec slower than race speeds last season.

    Very impressed by the number of laps each team is able to run, we don't know how hard everyone is pushing however it's encouraging to see an increase in reliability over this time last year. I'm also concerned about Williams, depending on the source they may not even make it to the circuit tomorrow.
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    Isn't the track surface curing a big contributor to this years lap times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    Isn't the track surface curing a big contributor to this years lap times?

    It's certainly one of the factors. It was a freshly laid surface this time last year IIRC and with the race being held in May (where the above times were achieved) there wouldn't have been that much track action with other race series between F1 testing and the actual race weekend. The track may have not fully matured, as it were, and it may offer more grip now, however the test times so far are quicker than I was expecting and they'll only, on average, get faster from now on.

    The big question is, of course, will the aero changes make a difference come race weekends allowing cars to run closer together? That won't be answered until the season is underway.

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    With thís sort of reliability Ferrari could do a 24h at Le Mans!!
    When the going gets tough, the DAF gets going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardShark View Post
    It'll be [Rob Smedley's] role to give greater insight as to how the teams and cars function on a technical basis, as long as the correct balance is achieved between getting newbies hooked and more experienced fans informed then this can only be good news.
    And here's the lad himself discussing the relationship between track testing and the more theoretical CFD/wind tunnel work done back at base, delivered in almost as cogent a manner as BP has done for us previously. It's certainly not difficult to imagine him becoming a frequent and welcome visitor to the media commentary boxes as the season unfolds. (Smedley that is, though I'm sure the same holds true in either case.)

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...4bNeBKf1p.htmldiscussing

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