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Thread: Remember the man who tried to hi-jack my Precista trademark?

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    Remember the man who tried to hi-jack my Precista trademark?

    His name is Martin Schneider of Swiss Military Watch. His efforts came to nothing as I successfully opposed his trademark application in the US and registered it myself, and I was also successful in getting the domains precista.com and precista.co.uk taken from him and transferred to myself.

    You'd think he'd learnt his lesson but no, he's now marketing a "Dreadnought" watch but rather cleverly the watch itself is not marked "Dreadnought". Several dealers have been selling these through eBay and I've now successfully had 12 listings removed via the VeRO (Verified Rights Owner) program run by eBay.

    It's a pity he doesn't have anything better to do.

    http://www.swiss-military.com/models...naught-tt.html

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    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    Can we all just take a moment to consider how absolutely terrible that date magnification cyclops is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesey View Post
    Can we all just take a moment to consider how absolutely terrible that date magnification cyclops is.
    That's a good spot. They've just whacked a date magnifier-looking shape on top of the rendering without actually thinking about what it would actually do to what's beneath.

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    $1869! Surely that can't be US dollars?

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    How much?

    And the website is unnavigable on the iPhone with the instant click picture enlargement. Total dog's dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    How much?

    Total dog's dinner.
    As above.

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    Amusing that he is also trying to market a watch called the "Panzer" with references to Winston Churchill and the British Army ...


    The range includes several expensive quartz watches and is devoid of any design flair or taste from what I can see ... probably why he feels the need to "borrow" stuff from other people.
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    Interesting that Swiss Military Watch appears to be insolvent

    https://www.easymonitoring.ch/handel...pany-sa-773306

    and it seems that he shouldn't be using "Swiss Military" either

    https://schneiderfeldmann.ch/pages/e-news.html

    But he's still at it

    https://www.schneiderandco.ch/

    And was funded for this beauty on Kickstarter last year.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...r-aluminum-swi

    Eddie
    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    I wonder if Zodiac's intervention has anything to do with his "Seewolf" models? He should have tried using "Dreednort" instead.

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    They have a "boutique factory."

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    I wonder if he and Mr McManus of the Vostok fame went to the same school.

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    From the website (link):

    BASELWORLD 2019

    The world's most important watch and jewelry show, the BASELWORLD will be held between March 21st and March 26th 2019

    VISIT US THERE


    Anyone going...? Will he really be there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    From the website (link):
    BASELWORLD 2019

    The world's most important watch and jewelry show, the BASELWORLD will be held between March 21st and March 26th 2019

    VISIT US THERE


    Anyone going...? Will he really be there?
    They were there last year.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdLZ...O76AqkLe6044F8

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    What a batsard. Snider indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Interesting that Swiss Military Watch appears to be insolvent

    https://www.easymonitoring.ch/handel...pany-sa-773306

    and it seems that he shouldn't be using "Swiss Military" either

    https://schneiderfeldmann.ch/pages/e-news.html

    But he's still at it

    https://www.schneiderandco.ch/

    And was funded for this beauty on Kickstarter last year.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...r-aluminum-swi

    Eddie
    Arrrrhhhhh...my eyes...my eyes 

    I very much doubt he should be using 'Le Mans' either

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Interesting that Swiss Military Watch appears to be insolvent

    https://www.easymonitoring.ch/handel...pany-sa-773306

    ...

    Eddie
    The address and contact details at the bottom of his homepage are for Montres Charmex SA (link). They say:

    The history of Montres Charmex SA goes as far back as 1926. This was the year when Max Bürgin started his apprenticeship in one of the leading watch factories near Basel, Switzerland. His exceptional talents soon caught the attention of the management - he was promoted and eventually made head of the technical department. What he really wanted though was to have his own watch business, pursuing the traditional art of manufacturing state-of-the-art timepieces. His dream finally came true and later on in 1989 his son Manfred Bürgin, today's President together with his wife Kathleen joined the by then prospering company. 1999 their son Frank M. Bürgin, today's CEO followed and thus continued the family's tradition. Manufacturing bespoke timepieces using but choice materials of the highest quality remains the credo of Montres Charmex SA to this very day.

    Their listing (link) includes the SMW trademark, among others. Might they have bought the rights to SMW Swiss Military Watch Company SA?

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    He does do a nice Smyths everest though Eddie .

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    Apparently Schneider is no longer connected with SMW but he's still doing Tawatec and other bits. SMW have amended their website so it no longer says "Dreadnought", it's now the "Invincible".

    Eddie
    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    How do you say "zum Kotzen" in English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoCop View Post
    How do you say "zum Kotzen" in English?
    Disgusting.

    Eddie
    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    Hard to translate exactly, depends on the sentence, sickening or sucks could work.

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    It's like hitting a cockroach full of eggs, you squash it and they turn up in even greater force.

    What a load of crap, invincible my arse.
    Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Apparently Schneider is no longer connected with SMW but he's still doing Tawatec and other bits. SMW have amended their website so it no longer says "Dreadnought", it's now the "Invincible".

    Eddie
    Just as well he never put 'Dreadnought' on the dial then....

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS118 View Post
    Just as well he never put 'Dreadnought' on the dial then....
    I could have got significant damages if he had.

    Eddie
    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    This one's still for sell on e-bay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Swiss...Md-X:rk:4:pf:0

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    Not the same I know, but this cropped for sale this morning on a French forum. 220 Euros if you're interested.




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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS118 View Post
    I know, the seller refuses to amend his listing so I've reported it to VeRO (Verified Rights Owner). The problem with this is, by the time they do anything the listing has often ended. I've had 12 of these Dreadnoughts removed so far.

    Eddie
    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS118 View Post
    Arrrrhhhhh...my eyes...my eyes 

    I very much doubt he should be using 'Le Mans' either
    Might email the link to the Le Mans watch to The Automobile Club de l'Ouest, I doubt they will be impressed.

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    marketing babble

    from their kickstarter campaign......

    " Time for disruption has come. Be a leader, not a follower. "

    So "disruption" means trying to sell overpriced ugly crap and by " leading instead of following" they mean try to piggyback on the succes of others......

    for non native speakers english is a confusing language
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    Credit where credit's due, I don't think they pinched testing WR with a fire engine off anyone...

    http://www.swiss-military.com/models...-000-feet.html

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    Whoa, now THAT’s some overpricing!

    You’d think with all that income he could afford a proof reader to use commas in the prices rather than apostrophes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    From the website (link):
    BASELWORLD 2019

    The world's most important watch and jewelry show, the BASELWORLD will be held between March 21st and March 26th 2019

    VISIT US THERE


    Anyone going...? Will he really be there?
    Don't know about him but I shall be there 😀

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Apparently Schneider is no longer connected with SMW but he's still doing Tawatec and other bits. SMW have amended their website so it no longer says "Dreadnought", it's now the "Invincible".

    Eddie
    It still says Dreadnought on this page, look at the last two watches:

    http://www.swiss-military.com/models/navy.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxon007 View Post
    It still says Dreadnought on this page, look at the last two watches:

    http://www.swiss-military.com/models/navy.html
    So it does.

    Without wishing to get put in the stocks - the Marlin is actually quite nice - I liked the lumed numbers

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAS118 View Post
    So it does.

    Without wishing to get put in the stocks - the Marlin is actually quite nice - I liked the lumed numbers
    But what happens if you follow the links on those pages...www.swiss-military.com/models/navy/dreadnaught.html & www.swiss-military.com/models/navy/dreadnaught-tt.html?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nogbad The Bad View Post
    Going by their URLs, the Invincibles were one Dreadnaughts...

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    It looks like Invicta and Swiss Legend had a horrible baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_ View Post
    It looks like Invicta and Swiss Legend had a horrible baby.
    Lol!
    Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!

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