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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    I bought two of the recent Everest 36 and loving it. I even like the bracelet as it balances the whole thing.

    (Except the piece at the clasp which likes to stand up, which I fixed with glue)

    I will certainly buy at least one of those although not much a fan of white dials.

    If the color of the Military Airministry is used, and harmonizes with the luminova all is fine!!

    Can’t wait ...

    +1. Eagerly awaiting developments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    I don't expect the white dial before September/October.

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    September/October - that's quite a wait, but I will do it. Well done Eddie, Off white dial Everest will be N+1.
    Keep posting your plans post financial year end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    A couple of minor tweaks.



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    That looks nice, especially if you axed the lollipop on the second hand.

    Am I the only who thinks that, if you’re going to do some of these beautiful homages to famous old Smiths AXXX dials, it would be nice in the manual PRS-29 style case, rather than an auto, PRS-25 Oyster style case, since the PRS-29 case is more similar to the Smiths from that time??
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    Quote Originally Posted by duder13 View Post
    Am I the only who thinks that, if you’re going to do some of these beautiful homages to famous old Smiths AXXX dials, it would be nice in the manual PRS-29 style case, rather than an auto, PRS-25 Oyster style case, since the PRS-29 case is more similar to the Smiths from that time??
    Personally I think the lugs are too long on the PRS-29 case, especially for the 36mm size. It means the watch only really works on a NATO type strap (or perlon). A leather strap would leave a big gap where your wrist shows through (almost all Nomos watches have the same issue) and a bracelet as standard (as per the render) would probably look really odd ... too much metal "visually" ? Like that awful new PO1 Tudor :-)

    So definitely the Oyster case for me !

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    Quote Originally Posted by 459GMB View Post
    Personally I think the lugs are too long on the PRS-29 case, especially for the 36mm size. It means the watch only really works on a NATO type strap (or perlon). A leather strap would leave a big gap where your wrist shows through (almost all Nomos watches have the same issue) and a bracelet as standard (as per the render) would probably look really odd ... too much metal "visually" ? Like that awful new PO1 Tudor :-)

    So definitely the Oyster case for me !
    I hear you, but the old Smiths watches, like the A409 below, also had longish, narrow lugs for their size. I’m not saying the PRS-29 case is identical, but it’s more in line with older Smiths. I guess it’s just a little odd to me to do old Smiths dials in a Rolex-like case, which is partly why I’d choose the white Explorer dial B over dial C.


    Plus, the PRS-29AM looks nice in a strap, to me. Not my pic:

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    I prefer the Everest case, equally at home on a bracelet or a strap.

    A manual movement would be a nice option though.


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    I would second a manual movement in the 36mm oyster case if technically possible.


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    If I want manual I've already my 29a :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafle View Post
    If I want manual I've already my 29a :)
    Well, sure, but we already have a black PRS-25, too.

    I guess my point is that, if there's going to be a third PRS-25 dial, outside of the two Explorer dials, it would be cool to have another more Rolex oriented white dial, like Hillary's below, and then the old Smiths dials would be cool in more Smiths-like cases. A Smiths dial in a Rolex case makes less sense to me, not that there are any rules to all of this. :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by duder13 View Post
    Well, sure, but we already have a black PRS-25, too.

    I guess my point is that, if there's going to be a third PRS-25 dial, outside of the two Explorer dials, it would be cool to have another more Rolex oriented white dial, like Hillary's below, and then the old Smiths dials would be cool in more Smiths-like cases. A Smiths dial in a Rolex case makes less sense to me, not that there are any rules to all of this. :)
    This watch will simply be a white dialled version of the PRS-25, what you suggest is a different watch. Also, it will be the fourth PRS-25 dial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    This watch will simply be a white dialled version of the PRS-25, what you suggest is a different watch. Also, it will be the fourth PRS-25 dial.
    Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. Save the Smiths-like dials for Smiths-like cases (like below,) rather than Smiths-like dials in Rolex-like cases. Of course, in my opinion. :)



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    Quote Originally Posted by duder13 View Post
    Well, sure, but we already have a black PRS-25, too.

    I guess my point is that, if there's going to be a third PRS-25 dial, outside of the two Explorer dials, it would be cool to have another more Rolex oriented white dial, like Hillary's below, and then the old Smiths dials would be cool in more Smiths-like cases. A Smiths dial in a Rolex case makes less sense to me, not that there are any rules to all of this. :)

    I do see where you're coming from in principle, but that Rolex dial isn't nearly as attractive and stylishly functional as the classic 3-6-9 Explorer dial IMV and I'm doubtful it wouid sell well if both were made available in this case. (An excellent case btw.) Obviously I could be wrong ..

    The Smiths style dial on the other hand offers a different vibe and lots of people seem to be keen on the design.

    I can't make my mind up between the already planned two off-white dialled versions and will wait until I can see photos before deciding. The renders never do justice to the actual watches of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TF23 View Post
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    The Smiths style dial on the other hand offers a different vibe and lots of people seem to be keen on the design.

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    ^^^ Yes that. ^^^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by TF23 View Post
    I do see where you're coming from in principle, but that Rolex dial isn't nearly as attractive and stylishly functional as the classic 3-6-9 Explorer dial IMV and I'm doubtful it wouid sell well if both were made available in this case. (An excellent case btw.) Obviously I could be wrong ..

    The Smiths style dial on the other hand offers a different vibe and lots of people seem to be keen on the design.

    I can't make my mind up between the already planned two off-white dialled versions and will wait until I can see photos before deciding. The renders never do justice to the actual watches of course.
    I definitely see where you're coming from. I guess I just kind of see this as the opportunity to create remakes of the Hillary expedition watches. While we're at it, a PRS-29 with the Smiths A409 sub-seconds dial. I think they'd be hard to resist. :)

    Anyways, I won't bring it up anymore. Either way, I'm excited about the white 3-6-9 dial. That was a very rare Rolex combination.




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    Quote Originally Posted by duder13 View Post
    I guess I just kind of see this as the opportunity to create remakes of the Hillary expedition watches. While we're at it, a PRS-29 with the Smiths A409 sub-seconds dial. I think they'd be hard to resist. :)
    I'm with you, duder13, as you would surely have guessed if you managed to make it through my earlier, introductory post/diatribe!

    I say forget Rolex altogether. If I really want a Rolex Explorer, I can go and buy a Rolex Explorer, new or vintage, and if I want to save some money, there are plenty of companies out there doing homages. But if I want a Smiths expedition watch, specifically, that's a different proposition. I'm stuck with vintage, and it's becoming increasingly difficult, and increasingly expensive, to buy one in reasonable condition. Yes, I understand that Rolex homages sell well, and I appreciate that Eddie needs to put food on the table. But I don't think it is a wise decision to risk devaluing the Smiths brand name in the long term for the sake of sales in the short term. And as you say, I think a modern Smiths with a A409 sub-seconds dial would be a real winner, commercially speaking. I know I'd be all over it. As I said before, Smiths is a great British company with a proven connection to a great British accomplishment. It has its own story to tell, if permitted to do so. If I was going to do a Rolex homage, in whatever colour, I'd put any other name on the dial. Just not Smiths.

    Having said that (again, sorry), Eddie's latest render looks damn good. As much as I'm against conflating the Smiths brand with any other, it's really well done and I'm still eagerly awaiting any new developments.

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    I'm REALLY keen on the white dial C on oyster-like case.
    To me, the combination of case, size and dial design make it the ultimate everything watch - both dressy and sporty, never out of place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duder13 View Post
    I definitely see where you're coming from. I guess I just kind of see this as the opportunity to create remakes of the Hillary expedition watches. While we're at it, a PRS-29 with the Smiths A409 sub-seconds dial. I think they'd be hard to resist. :)

    Anyways, I won't bring it up anymore. Either way, I'm excited about the white 3-6-9 dial. That was a very rare Rolex combination.




    The two Smiths shown there have different cases: the first is an unsigned one with 16mm lugs, the second is the Dennison Aquatite. Smiths used the latter from about 1951 until maybe 1956 (iirc) then switched to the smaller (and imho) inferior and less attractive case -- possibly made in-house and almost certainly cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev-O View Post
    The two Smiths shown there have different cases: the first is an unsigned one with 16mm lugs, the second is the Dennison Aquatite. Smiths used the latter from about 1951 until maybe 1956 (iirc) then switched to the smaller (and imho) inferior and less attractive case -- possibly made in-house and almost certainly cheaper.
    Certainly, but neither look like an Oyster. I’m just saying that the PRS-29 case is at least reminiscent of the older Smiths cases.

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    Certainly, but neither look like an Oyster. I’m just saying that the PRS-29 case is at least reminiscent of the older Smiths cases.
    Yes that's true. I'm guessing that with the slab-sided case it would have to be hand-wound as per the AM and W10? To be honest I'm coming round to that, much more like the Smiths of old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev-O View Post
    Yes that's true. I'm guessing that with the slab-sided case it would have to be hand-wound as per the AM and W10? To be honest I'm coming round to that, much more like the Smiths of old.
    I'm not sure if has to be manual wind in that case, but I would hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    A couple of minor tweaks.



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    Really something, definitely gets the thumbs up from me. Sorry if it has been already confirmed, but is this going to only be available in 36mm?

    40-42mm is my sweet spot and would be worried 36mm would be too small for my tastes.
    Last edited by Ghost Chilli; 8th April 2019 at 14:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Chilli View Post
    Really something, definitely gets the thumbs up from me. Sorry if it has been already confirmed, but is this going to only be available in 36mm?

    40-42mm is my sweet spot and would be worried 36mm would be too small for my tastes.
    It will only be 36mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    It will only be 36mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    It will only be 36mm.

    Eddie
    Is this (perfectly sized) corker now in the diary in ink rather than pencil Eddie?

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    36mm is what it should be!

    This is the TF project I've been most excited about.

    Can it be automatic in the slab-sided PRS29 case? That, for me, would be the perfect combination.

    Ideally 18mm lugs, too, but now I'm just being picky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by size11s View Post
    Is this (perfectly sized) corker now in the diary in ink rather than pencil Eddie?
    Not until the sample bracelet arrives at the end of this month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Not until the sample bracelet arrives at the end of this month.

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    I don't need a bracelet so can I have mine early please?

    :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    It will only be 36mm.

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    Thanks Eddie. Might have to try one anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev-O View Post
    I don't need a bracelet so can I have mine early please?

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    Yes. Can you send the bracelet on to me please? ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    Yes. Can you send the bracelet on to me please? ;-)
    I haven't seen the sample bracelet
    The watches won't be made until I see and approve the sample
    There are no bracelets
    There are no watches
    There's nothing to send

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    It's time to give the white dial PRS-25 its own thread

    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    I haven't seen the sample bracelet
    The watches won't be made until I see and approve the sample
    There are no bracelets
    There are no watches
    There's nothing to send

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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    Yes. Can you send the bracelet on to me please? ;-)
    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    I haven't seen the sample bracelet
    The watches won't be made until I see and approve the sample
    There are no bracelets
    There are no watches
    There's nothing to send

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    Errr, it was a tongue in cheek joke.
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    the two versions of the A404, with 18mm and 16mm lugs.

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    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    ^^^ that’s a nice thing to see on a drab Thursday! Looking great!


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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post


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    WOW, what happened to the step in the middle?

    I think i’m more excited for this than the original 25.


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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post


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    Looks fantastic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by horror_logical View Post
    WOW, what happened to the step in the middle?

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    What? No sector dial???

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post


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    I'd assumed the Smiths Expedition had replaced thoughts of a white dial PRS-25.

    Glad that it hasn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post


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    Looks great Eddie.

    I’m glad you price them sensibly or I’d be broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post


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    Looks great, did the bracelet arrive at the same time? ;)

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    Nice dial good outlines for daylight visibility, and lume plots for night. Perfect.
    Is the other dial also in preparation (the "Everest Expedition" dial) as well?
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    Looks good, albeit with a minor criticism that I think the top half logo is too small in comparison to the "Everest" in the lower half, or the Everest is too big if you prefer. Either way, it lacks the balance of the black dial version ...
    Last edited by 459GMB; 25th April 2019 at 12:18.

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    The dial does look 😎

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    Quote Originally Posted by 459GMB View Post
    Looks good, albeit with a minor criticism that I think the top half logo is too small in comparison to the "Everest" in the lower half, or the Everest is too big if you prefer. Either way, it lacks the balance of the black dial version ...
    Agreed. Perhaps if EVEREST font was in shade of the dial colour like the original? Other than that, no complaints here. Can’t wait for the full release.


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    This pleases me greatly. I'm definitely holding out for one of these when they arrive. I've always found white dials to wear larger than dark ones, so I think it would complement my 40mm black dial rather nicely.
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    Beautiful!

    Was hoping they’d be here by late May to be a gift to my father but he’s just going to have to wait, looks like it will be more than worth it.

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