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Thread: SC purchase, what to do when it’s not quite 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampoc View Post
    Oh, I remember now. The strap looked like a dogs dinner to be fair though.
    Yes, I've seen better work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampoc View Post
    Oh, I remember now. The strap looked like a dogs dinner to be fair though.
    I seem to recall the extra holes were described as 'expertly punched'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    I seem to recall the extra holes were described as 'expertly punched'
    Well, at the time I thought I'd done a decent job (it was only one hole, though, to be fair). Anyway, live and learn - in future I'm just going to go on an eating binge if I find a strap too loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pugster View Post
    'moral duty'


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    So true, and more backtracking from him since last mentioned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampoc View Post
    Oh, I remember now. The strap looked like a dogs dinner to be fair though.
    Now that’s a better deception !

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    (it was only one hole, though, to be fair).
    Well that’s only half true isn’t it Tony ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boundary546 View Post
    Now that’s a better deception !
    So you have been banned and have been sneaking back in pretending to be somebody else? How do you think that bodes for your trustworthiness as a seller? Maybe we should update your sales thread to reflect that your whole forum identity is based on a lie?
    Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boundary546 View Post
    Well that’s only half true isn’t it Tony ?
    Was it two? I can't even remember, to be honest - what I do know is that I'd have happily bought you a new strap if you hadn't been so abusive.

    The point of all this is that you have a tendency to severely overreact - hence my suggestion that, perhaps, used watches aren't for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by village View Post
    Come on...nobody could possibly think that a vintage watch described as 'spot on' could possibly mean +\- 0 seconds a day.
    I would take it to mean within 2. Agree though that 10 would be more than acceptable, if not for the seller's "spot on" claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Was it two? I can't even remember, to be honest - what I do know is that I'd have happily bought you a new strap if you hadn't been so abusive.

    The point of all this is that you have a tendency to severely overreact - hence my suggestion that, perhaps, TZ-UK isn't for you.
    FTFY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogroover View Post
    I would take it to mean within 2. Agree though that 10 would be more than acceptable, if not for the seller's "spot on" claim.
    There isn’t a norm for new mechanical watches to be within those 2 s. And you would expect that for a 60 yo watch?

    Stick to quartz. 2s is achievable, though. But they will be few and far between.
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffe View Post
    How do you think that bodes for your trustworthiness as a seller?
    I have never had a problem with any of my watches I have sold, as my H&V feedback will testify. I

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    Quote Originally Posted by boundary546 View Post
    I have never had a problem with any of my watches I have sold, as my H&V feedback will testify. I
    But you ARE a duplicitous and aggressive chap who has a long and well-documented history of being a pain to deal with.

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    If you were previously banned from here then you really shouldn’t be here under a new guise. It’s that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Hotel View Post
    But you ARE a duplicitous and aggressive chap who has a long and well-documented history of being a pain to deal with.
    Really, have we dealt before ?

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    No need. You’ve done enough for us to know exactly what to expect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boundary546 View Post
    Really, have we dealt before ?
    We definitely haven‘t and now I know enough to safely say we never will... in neither direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampoc View Post
    Oh, I remember now. The strap looked like a dogs dinner to be fair though.
    Seller must have been very pleased to see the H&V thread deleted then.

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    If forums were pubs.. we would be fighting all day.. easy to be tough and hard in a thread... it all seems a little ott now... I think the OP has got the message re expectations .. he hasnt covered himself in glory by adding hed been banned before or then selling said watch without stating the accuracy initially.. but these are judgement calls and we can draw our own conclusions without descending into a forum free for all..
    Im out of this one now...


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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Was it two? I can't even remember, to be honest - what I do know is that I'd have happily bought you a new strap if you hadn't been so abusive.

    The point of all this is that you have a tendency to severely overreact - hence my suggestion that, perhaps, used watches aren't for you.
    I know it’s a long time ago now Tony, but let’s have it right, I suggested replacing the strap but you just told me to return the watch.
    Abusive, my ban actually came about because I posted pictures of the abusive, insulting and swearing text messages you sent to me in watch talk instead of BP

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    Quote Originally Posted by boundary546 View Post
    I know it’s a long time ago now Tony, but let’s have it right, I suggested replacing the strap but you just told me to return the watch.
    Abusive, my ban actually came about because I posted pictures of the abusive, insulting and swearing text messages you sent to me in watch talk instead of BP
    No, you don't get the chance to rewrite history. Had you not become so quickly abusive I'd have immediately offered a new strap - as it was, I decided that the best thing all round was for you to return the watch. Don't pretend to have been conciliatory in any way - you actually accused me of being dishonest and a liar. That was enough for me, although I did clearly commit a horrendous crime - eating my dinner before making the bank transfer.

    When all's said and done I'm happy to stand by, and be judged in accordance with my reputation. You?
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    Now that's certainly brought out some funny characters out of the stinking woodwork. What a palava.
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    So I said you were dishonest, was your watch described correctly or honestly ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boundary546 View Post
    So I said you were dishonest, was your watch described correctly or honestly ?
    Talk to the hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by boundary546 View Post
    So I said you were dishonest, was your watch described correctly or honestly ?
    You’re a fraud.
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    Christ! This thread has more tangents than my old Logarithmic Tables book

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    Christ! This thread has more tangents than my old Logarithmic Tables book
    It’s a sine o’ the times.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCasper View Post
    It’s a sine o’ the times.

    e's not wrong.

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    Well! That's the last time I post outside The Bear Pit. It's much too aggressive and vitriolic here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    There isn’t a norm for new mechanical watches to be within those 2 s.
    Indeed. There is no norm for mechanical watches to be "spot on". That's the seller's explicit description, not an expectation based on a norm.

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    Unreasonable expectations, unless you chase watches who were submitted -and won- chronometry contests in the 20s and 30s.
    Zenith would be a good place to start.

    But then the seller would be massively underselling it by describing it as ‘spot on’.

    Since it is not a technical term you must adapt it to the context of the rest of the advert. If you have specific expectations you should ask the seller what he means by it, rather than rely on a stricto sensu definition.
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boundary546 View Post
    So I said you were dishonest, was your watch described correctly or honestly ?
    Clearly a pain to deal with. And abusive to boot! Banned once and back fraudulently under new name. Leopards dot change their spots and neither have you changed your ways. Not one to deal with at all!


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    Quote Originally Posted by monogroover View Post
    Indeed. There is no norm for mechanical watches to be "spot on". That's the seller's explicit description, not an expectation based on a norm.
    But for the movement in question, ten seconds a day is spot on. More to the point as the OP said, it was -10 twice in a row. Personally I'd infinitely prefer a watch that gave me -10 -10 -10 -10 -10 -10 than say 0 +1 -2 0 +2 -1 0. I know which of the two I'd describe as spot on...

    Anyway, how about a nice 565?


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    This just gets better

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    I pity anyone that has the bad luck to have to deal with the OP, particularly as he’s been shown the door and is not welcome but comes back like a bad penny. I wouldn’t ever do business with this guy.

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    In answer to the original question: one should open a thread in watch talk and subsequently ignore any reasonable advice one receives. That would be the correct thing to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by bricktop View Post
    We definitely haven‘t and now I know enough to safely say we never will... in neither direction.
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    Good luck everybody. Have a good one.

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    Threads like these remind me my own psychoses are mild....

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    LOL!

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