Hi All,
I know I'm being cheeky but I was hoping that I could avail myself of your collective expertise and ask you for an opinions as fellow forum members?
I am involved in a distance negotiation for a very lived-in submariner, which will involve me driving 300 miles to seal the deal, so before I commit to that, I'd just like to ask someone who knows about such things, if, in their opinion (no responsibility implied) the attached images are of a genuine watch?
When I get there, I'll be taking the watch to a jeweller for verification, so I'm really only seeking to reduce my chances of a wasted trip.
I hope that it's ok to ask? Thanks to all in advance for any help you can give.
Kind regards,
Paul
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The pictures are horrendous, so difficult to tell. Any half decent smartphone can take OK pictures nowadays, so you need to wonder why you got such bad ones. Condition looks pretty used, so it better be a good deal.
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The pictures were taken less than 10 minutes ago and sent by MMS so I'm thinking the compression isn't helping. It is a good deal otherwise I wouldn't even consider the hassle it's going to be.
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At first glance for a ceramic sub it doesn't look genuine, the photo makes the bracelet look in odd proportion to the lugs, the pip looks patinated (may be the photo) and having owned and worn a ceramic sub daily for about 5 years that one gives me a worrying feeling.
I'm glad you asked the forum, that's horrendous.
I agree the pictures are bad my question to myself would be why what are they trying to hide I can only speak for myself but i personally walk away
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Oh dear.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Horrendous as in obvious fake?Originally Posted by Loupe
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Cyclops magnification looks odd to me too
I was concerned about the winding crown, but I'm Very new to the subject of Rolex watches and it's a very steep learning curve!
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Yes
Additionally, and I find this a little confusing, the guy is willing to accompany me to a jeweller for validation.
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I appreciate your feedback gents, any further pointers you can give me would be appreciated, because at some point I'm going to be doing this all over again
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Look at the alignment of the R and the X with the hour markers left and right.
Crown doesn’t look correct.
So, who is the seller?
I know someone who’s just done a 30-odd page forensic analysis of a fake 116610 in all its parts, warranty card and all. There are better....
Haywood
Last edited by Haywood_Milton; 28th November 2018 at 22:26.
That being the case, run away very fast. Buying from a reputable dealer may cost a little more, but at least you can be sure what you’re buying is genuine.
The majority of the trade don’t have a clue.
This is true, yet they remain happy to try to put signs in the window announcing themselves as “specialists in pre-owned watches” and try to deal in them. “Posh” ones and multiples are just as likely to indulge in this dangerous nonsense as the single-shop independent.
H
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For a watch thats been gigged as much as this has, id be wanting a look inside personally.
Does the deal include box and papers?
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This is very good advice, we all had to start somewhere just make sure your first isn’t a big mistake, it doesn’t look good so I wouldn’t entertain it.
Crown looks wrong to me the crown crown guard area doesnt look right. As stated above the magnification winsow looks odd too, but that could be the photo. Whatever its originality for a max of 8 yr old watch its had a hard life.
Haywood above has asked some questions and I recon he and his business have seen a fair few of these, so much so I bet he could write a book on it
https://www.miltonaires.com/product-...rts/submariner
And the killer for me the bezel is not set right! Ocd kicking in.
Steve
Made me laugh!
Run Forrest, run! I‘d stay away big time...
Sorry bezel doesn't look like mine and there are other oddities. Buy from a reputable source, too much too lose if you get it wrong.
Crown looks wrong (too long and skinny), the pip looks off on colour, the dial is in wonky, the date magnifier looks not square to the date window, the lugs look oddly well brushed fur such a battered bracelet.
It's either dodgy as anything, or been butchered. I wouldn't touch it at any cost. Nothing should be 'too good' as with the cost of a rolex service most surface damage can be restored - so if it's much more than 'market price - service cost' then be concerned too.
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So how much is the seller asking for it?
If it was me i would wait for one to pop up on the sc,buy from someone you can trust.
So, while we wait for you to give us the seller’s specific details, we’re looking for someone 300 miles from Pembrokeshire with chubby fingers so short that one has to ask questions about the gene pool.
Traveller camp in Peterborough if you ask me.
The photos do look as if they were taken during a break-in.
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Dont ya just love HM.
The bracelet is a different colour completely to the case.. looking at my explorer that on itself looks suspicious... also the crystal if saphire looks shockingly bad, what year is it supposed to be
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That should be possible to identify if the prints are on file surely... ;-)
Gents, thank you all. I think you've saved me a long wasted trip.
I had misgivings which (unfortunately) proved to be correct, I'm just glad and grateful that I had a resource such as this to tap into.
The seller was a private party in Essex, I don't think there's any need to enlarge!
Once again, thanks for your insights and providing me with a laugh to boot - is that a 'thing' about Peterborough??
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Someone tried to scam you and you think there is no 'need to enlarge'?
So he goes on and defrauds someone else, but you don't care?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Looks like the numerals are painted on the bezel.
Paul, why don’t you “feel there is any need to enlarge?”
I’m always puzzled when someone is saved from paying thousands for a fake but then shows loyalty to the very person who tried to sell it to them.
Rather than have people wondering if there is, in fact, a Pembrokeshire Branch of the Light-Fingered Caravanners Club, surely you could help save other members from potential loss by confirming who was selling the watch and where? You will have made no accusation, but may leave that to others.
It seems to me that those who have been saved a fortune owe this much at least to any forum.
H
Either believes it genuine himself or will claim he must have been duped. Proves nothing but brass neck or ignorance. The watch looks awful, wear not commensurate with age even if it was genuine etc etc.
LOL!
Let's get some free advice, take it and then let everybody else drown. Sign of the times.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
This, you have potentially been saved from a bad mistake, why not help others?
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This, you have potentially been saved from a bad mistake, why not help others?
My apologies gentleman, I didn't see things that way but having read your comments I can see I'd failed to consider a few important points. The Gentleman in question was selling on Gumtree (I know, I know, but there has to be some straight ones some time...), He was selling under the name 'John' (which doesn't tell one much) and was from Warely in Essex (never been there, don't know). I have a mobile number and nothing else to tell you.
My motivation for not sharing this detail was not out of any sense of loyalty to the seller, as has been intimated, nor out of any lack of will to protect my fellow forum members, also intimated, but simply because there is insufficient detail there to be of any use to anyone and I thought made for rather tawdry reading.
I hope this explanation goes some way to allaying your fears about my intentions/loyalties/sensibilities and/or character.
Interesting the remarks about Pembrokeshire....
Once again, thanks to those who sought to help.
Paul
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Thanks. We got it the first time.
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Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Withdrawn.
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So how much was he asking for it, or rather, how much is someone going to lose on it?
Paul. Don't.
Last edited by Raffe; 29th November 2018 at 14:07.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I've seen really bad fakes listed on Gumtree where the seller says this. Presumably, they hope to get you interested by seeming to appear genuine and then find some reason why they can't do it but offer you a bargain price instead.
A man who lies about the authenticity of a watch will also be lying about whether he'll be coming with you to the jeweller.
One anticipates that you have now informed the seller about his watch, perhaps inviting him to view this thread.
There is a slim (silicon wafer?) chance that he doesn't realise what he has and it's important to advise him, lest one of the few people in the UK who aren't a tz-uk regular should pay him several thousand for it.
I would love to know what exactly he says in response.
H
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