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    Quote Originally Posted by watchstudent View Post
    What I will say is the NHS is the envy of the world. That we can provide any kind of healthcare to all, free of charge, .
    I’m sorry, but this sort of delusion needs to stop. It is not the envy of the world (unless you compare it to the developing world), and they can’t provide all necessary healthcare for free (just have a look at local differences from trust to trust). The diagnostic abilities of the NHS are shocking, and this is purely down to funding, not the people. Read the link I posted earlier https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a7683541.html . The evidence is right there. We need to have a good hard look at the current system and change it, as it is simply not sustainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky Four Fingers View Post
    You're going down a route it doesn't need to be taken down.
    My MIL is seriously ill and has been for a year, without going through it again she's been in and out of hospital like a fiddlers elbow, prodded, poked, scanned, tested, with every method available and still nothing. So either as you'd suggest, we all have an unrealistic expectation of her becoming better OR her condition is so complex that not one of her doctors or specialists have seen this condition before.

    If she could flick a switch and stop one symptom she has it would be to stop the crippling pain she has in her lower left side- her consultants are all aware of this.
    Shes been complaining about this for months- all they could find was hugely increased infection levels which responded well to treatment.
    Yesterday she was diagnosed with a perforated bowel, guess where abouts?
    Yeh that's right, her lower left hand side- so when they've been bombarding her with antibiotics it's been bringing down the markers- she's released home until the infection levels increase to a level where she's admitted on blue lights again.
    Now she has again been dosed with antibiotics and they've told her today that they're happy with her progress because the markers are coming down......well no shit Sherlock!
    They think that surgery might not be needed but let's face it all the family know where it's going.

    Im sorry but for me it's very simple.......in this instance the NHS have made my MIL worse.
    How can a perforated bowel have been missed so many times?
    I go back to my original statement and say that shes been patched up and sent home.
    I don't think any of the family have ever had a unrealistic expectation of her being fixed overnight but FFS come on.
    at a guess she's got diverticulitis, they can leak and self seal, form small abscesses, drain into the bowel or into the peritoneal cavity

    like everything you're partly right, it could be done better, but that means paying for it, if you want european levels of care, then fund it to european levels so that means paying more tax or pay per use it needs around a 10% increase plus about 6% a year, you're talking about 3p on basic rate tax
    it needs more doctors, it needs more nurses, these are really low compared to other developed countries, we should not be stealing them from other parts of the world, we should be training and paying them properly
    The NHS needs to stop subsidising the private sector as well as making the private sector in the the uk artificially cheap
    the public need need to stop abusing the NHS, both as individuals and as private profit making companies
    the politicians needs to stop setting targets that make no real difference but the NHS is forced to waste huge amounts of money trying to chase, just so the politicians can show how they've improved things

    i'm sorry you believe you MIL did not get the care she deserved, the sad truth is the NHS does the best it can with the resources it has for the demands placed upon it

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    I know a few people that work for the nhs,
    The biggest thing crippling it is theft and corruption!

    Few years ago when my mrs was pregnant,
    The lady behind the desk forgot to book her in so we sat there for 1 hour before a nurse asked why we where there.

    As we where waiting I was listening to the lady behind the counter talking about the diet plan she had just printed off was 8 sheets.

    She had printed that on an nhs printer with nhs ink on nhs time. At lets say 5p a sheet that's 40p. if 1 Millon nhs staff did that a day
    That's 40k a day being stolen just through people doing their personal printing at work. People see it as a perk of the job, add that to stationary I know people do take home for their kids pencil cases and paper for home work ect ect

    I bet the nhs looses at least a million a day through things like that. I know it wouldn't fix it but it might just help some trusts pay for that treatment that a dying child needs!

    Orders going to suppliers that are charging well over the odds for things that can be bought much cheaper els where.

    Sick pay some people treat it as extra holiday
    They just call up no proof of illness and they get paid for it. They also get 6 months full pay
    It needs change there are to many playing the system. In my friends wife's department one woman had had over 12 months off work in the last 3 years on full pay. It's not affordable for the nhs anymore.
    It needs to be run as a business not a government department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golf View Post
    I know a few people that work for the nhs,
    The biggest thing crippling it is theft and corruption!

    Few years ago when my mrs was pregnant,
    The lady behind the desk forgot to book her in so we sat there for 1 hour before a nurse asked why we where there.

    As we where waiting I was listening to the lady behind the counter talking about the diet plan she had just printed off was 8 sheets.

    She had printed that on an nhs printer with nhs ink on nhs time. At lets say 5p a sheet that's 40p. if 1 Millon nhs staff did that a day
    That's 40k a day being stolen just through people doing their personal printing at work. People see it as a perk of the job, add that to stationary I know people do take home for their kids pencil cases and paper for home work ect ect

    I bet the nhs looses at least a million a day through things like that. I know it wouldn't fix it but it might just help some trusts pay for that treatment that a dying child needs!

    Orders going to suppliers that are charging well over the odds for things that can be bought much cheaper els where.

    Sick pay some people treat it as extra holiday
    They just call up no proof of illness and they get paid for it. They also get 6 months full pay
    It needs change there are to many playing the system. In my friends wife's department one woman had had over 12 months off work in the last 3 years on full pay. It's not affordable for the nhs anymore.
    It needs to be run as a business not a government department.
    How can you ever do anything about people printing things off ? Would it go as far as saying a biro has a 12 week life and you cant get another one from the stock room until you have returned your empty one ?

    What kills the NHS is the health and safety madness. To change ceiling lights a platform scaffold needs to be erected and a risk assessment taken place. This takes a a 10 minute job into a full 4 hour 800 pound job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    How can you ever do anything about people printing things off ? Would it go as far as saying a biro has a 12 week life and you cant get another one from the stock room until you have returned your empty one ?
    I don't know the answer to stop the theft of stationary but it's just wrong.

    There must be software available that can scan key words of something that can flag it up?

    Give them a warning the first time, then instant dismissal a second time as its stealing at the end of the day!



    Every day that stopped it could probably pay a years wage for a nurse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golf View Post

    Every day that stopped it could probably pay a years wage for a nurse.
    Or save the life of a sick kiddie, LOL.

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    Think the efficiency of receptionists and admin staff is more of an issue than someone printing a few sheets of paper.
    In many jobs it’s acceptable and seen as a minor perk of the job. I’m sure NHS staff go beyond the call of duty on occasion - working an extra 5 minutes will probably pay for the printing.

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    Clearly Carillion and Interserve printed too many sheets of paper whilst on the job.
    Fas est ab hoste doceri

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Think the efficiency of receptionists and admin staff is more of an issue than someone printing a few sheets of paper.
    In many jobs it’s acceptable and seen as a minor perk of the job. I’m sure NHS staff go beyond the call of duty on occasion - working an extra 5 minutes will probably pay for the printing.
    Or it will make up the 5 minutes they spent messing around printing it 😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holsterman View Post
    Or save the life of a sick kiddie, LOL.
    I am glad you can see something funny about a child not getting the life changing treatment they need and deserve.

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    The NHS is an excellent organisation that also, sadly, has its challenges. It is true to say that to the unsuspecting eye it can appear disjointed and lacking in coordination. If however you force the co-ordination to take place a fairly miraculous transformation can be achieved.

    Should it be this way, no... but it also means we need to drive them. The person who mentioned a good GP is correct in so far as saying that one who is interested in your specific issues (or relatives) is an incredible way of getting the process moving. A good consultant also helps in helping to move the process forward. The advice of being thoughtful and considerate to staff at all levels gets things a long way forward.

    FFF, not only am I someone who has been a major user in the last year, but also have senior management available to me for advice. Send me a PM, you have tried to help me recently, would love to return the favour.

    Jon

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    Update to the thread....

    A scan back in October identified a spinal tumour which is pressing on T11-12 vertebrae, the local hospital found it and passed it on to Oxford who have basically done nothing in the intervening months.
    Back in October she was a lot stronger than now and would have been a lot better placed to cope with surgery. Thankfully the consultant at the local hospital is being mentored by the UKs leading spinal specialist. So in the past few weeks she's been up to Holborn in London for tests etc and goes under the knife on Tuesday. When this is all over questions wil be asked why 4 months passed without any action from any hospital.

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    Although it may not feel like it to you, in my experince 4 months is pretty good going and you've got a good result in the end.

    My brother in law, a lifelong smoker/drinker spent 2 years going to GPs and hospitals in Wales with a persistent cough before someone eventually thought to test for lung cancer - he died 3 months later.

    I have also worked for the NHS in IT for the last 16 years on long term contracts.

    As has been mentioned. The issue with the NHS is generally speaking not with primary care staff, however the administrative waste/overstaffing, inefficiency, lack of productivity and tolerance of incompetence/mediocrity is truly astounding.

    I buy good private medical insurance.

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