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    Make your own mind up:




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    Any of the Professional Series watches with a numbered bezel looks better in their older sleeker case, not a fan of the "huge" step from case edge to bracelet.

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    I prefer the look of the old but with the build quality of the new. I think that's why I'm drawn more to Tudor than Rolex nowadays (and the fact that you can actually buy them!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman LMAO View Post
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    This sums it up perfectly. The old case is so much sleeker and refined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuno1 View Post
    This sums it up perfectly. The old case is so much sleeker and refined.
    I totally agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman LMAO View Post
    Make your own mind up:



    I can see I’m swimming against the tide on this one, but I’m still on the “new side”.

    Given the ground swell of opinion against me though, I’m beginning to wonder why it’s so difficult to buy a new one. You’d think ADs would be drowning in the things based on this thread 😀😀

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman LMAO View Post
    Make your own mind up:


    I made that image a few years ago when I was choosing my Explorer.

    Even though the 214270 does not look that much bigger in that image it does wear quite a bit bigger.

    I viewed the 14270 and the 114270 as essentially the same ...

    I liked the 1016 but they are expensive and as a long term proposition I wanted something newer.

    The 36mm is the classic size but if I was fatter maybe I’d gone for the 39mm. I think the case design is still faithful to the design.

    In the end I went for the 114270 but one without the engraved rehault.

    I’m still happy with my choice.

    I never understood why the moved the EXPLORER text down the dial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J3w3ll3r View Post
    As an everyday wearable watch the 116610 is a much better watch, just the bracelet alone is miles better not to mention everything else, the 16610 has it place but as an occasional watch

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    Disagree!!!!

    The modern bracelets give an impression of quality because they’re heavier. The old Sub bracelets might feel a bit lightweight but they certainly stand up to wear and tear, don’t let the design fool you into thinking the bracelet isn’t high quality.

    I have a friend who bought a 16610 new in 1999. He’s worn it as an everyday wearer literally, it was his only watch for years, and the watch is still in great condition. It’s had one service and a light refinish over the years and it still looks/feels like an almost new watch.

    The latest models feel heavier and that’s enough to convince people that they’re far better. I’m not disputing that the latest bracelet design is an improvement, or that the ceramic bezel will stand up to scratches far better, but to dismiss the the 16610 to the role of ‘occasional watch’ is a bit short-sighted to say the least.........and it does look far nicer! I owned one for a while and only sold it because I decided to thin the collection down. In hindsight, a bad decision given the price rises but I’d got totaly bored with the dive watch thing so it seemed right to sell it.

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    Try a YM. Modern but with a classic shape



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    Quote Originally Posted by MartynJC (UK) View Post
    Try a YM. Modern but with a classic shape



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    The shape is great but I've never come to terms with those bezels. They always look to me like they've been produced in some cheap mould.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    I never understood why the moved the EXPLORER text down the dial.
    Based on your picture, the answer would seem to be to make the Rolex logo larger - moving the Explorer text gives them a little more space at the top. Either way seems you made a good choice.

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    Same here - nice case shape



    Quote Originally Posted by MartynJC (UK) View Post
    Try a YM. Modern but with a classic shape



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick P View Post
    ..........I noticed some chap on another table wearing a Subdate and for the first time ever there was another chap on another table also wearing a Subdate............
    Wow!

    Memo to self......really must:

    A - Start going to better places. Last time I was out I noticed fellow diners with the same tracksuits!

    B - Get my eyes tested. I can hardly make out the second hand on my own wrist; never mind watch spot from across the room!


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    Perhaps Rolex is just making bigger, chunkier watches to fit the “larger” wrist of the larger average person today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsguy View Post
    Based on your picture, the answer would seem to be to make the Rolex logo larger - moving the Explorer text gives them a little more space at the top. Either way seems you made a good choice.
    Yeah, I guess so, looks like backwards step to me.

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    If I'd pay above list for the new sub date I wouldn't want it to be garish, I'd want it verbally abuse waiting staff and fellow diners.
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    I disagree. I much prefer the modern Subs however I swapped it for a BLNR which has the very useful GMT function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartynJC (UK) View Post
    Try a YM. Modern but with a classic shape



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    Totally agree. Fatter lugs but with more pronounced tapering compared to the Sub-6. The Sub should have this case design in my view.

    For me, the bezels don't work as they are a fraction deeper than the old ali inserts giving the impression of too much bezel IMO. Fat crown guards don't help either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    Yeah, I guess so, looks like backwards step to me.
    Not to me, it looks far better balanced now.

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    The old one had 4 up top and only two below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyl1987 View Post
    Perhaps Rolex is just making bigger, chunkier watches to fit the “larger” wrist of the larger average person today?
    No! The increase in watch sizes far outstrips any upward change in the normal distribution of wrist sizes.

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    Although the steel Daytona has gone ceramic, and got shinier, it's still quite a modest sized watch. Let's hope it stays that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter2704 View Post
    surprised no one has machined the old style lugs on a new sub case,that would be a winner
    You mean like this? Looks like they may have overdone the polishing on the crown guards, but I do like the chamfered lugs (this started out as a 114060 according to Tempus Machina who produced a limited run of this modification).

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    [QUOTE=frp422;4945179]You mean like this? Looks like they may have overdone the polishing on the crown guards, but I do like the chamfered lugs (this started out as a 114060 according to Tempus Machina who produced a limited run of this modification).

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    Love that! Very Black Bay like (which is not a bad thing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by frp422 View Post
    You mean like this? Looks like they may have overdone the polishing on the crown guards, but I do like the chamfered lugs (this started out as a 114060 according to Tempus Machina who produced a limited run of this modification).

    Ant

    Love that! Very Black Bay like (which is not a bad thing).
    I quite like the case modifications, but not sure I approve of recreating some kind of "homage" dial with the Rolex branding. Saying that, it may be more practical to buy a good 5-digit model and retrofit the glidelock clasp, therefore retaining more originality but getting the benefit of upgrading the part most people complain about. Make an old one newer rather than making a new one look older (which is the current trend across much of the industry)

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    Quote Originally Posted by frp422 View Post
    You mean like this? Looks like they may have overdone the polishing on the crown guards, but I do like the chamfered lugs (this started out as a 114060 according to Tempus Machina who produced a limited run of this modification).

    Ant

    I think they're supposed to be pcg

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    Quote Originally Posted by frp422 View Post
    You mean like this? Looks like they may have overdone the polishing on the crown guards, but I do like the chamfered lugs (this started out as a 114060 according to Tempus Machina who produced a limited run of this modification).

    Ant

    Agree, the crown guards are over done and a wee bit too much curve taper on the lugs for me. I’m sure that’s an alu bezel from a 5 digit, no ?


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    No I am of the opposite opinion and think the modern maxi dail is more attractive and easier to read.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mick P View Post
    My wife and I went to a restaurant up in the Spanish hills yesterday for a late lunch. It was one of those long and lazy lunches typical of Spain, not the usual rush you get in England.

    Anyway whilst indulging in the meal and chatting to the wife I noticed some chap on another table wearing a Subdate and for the first time ever there was another chap on another table also wearing a Subdate. The difference however was one was wearing a newish model, probably a 116610 which was all shiny and new and looked imposing whilst the other was obviously wearing the previous 5 digit generation and it looked a bit less garish.

    I spent a few minutes glancing at one watch and then the other and just felt that the older watch looked more like what a watch should look like. It just blended on the wrist whereas the new one was visually dominant.

    It made me think that Rolex got it right those years ago and what a pity they did not put the new improved mechanisms into the old bodies.

    Is it me or are the latest Rolex just a bit too loud ?
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    Two guys wearing the same, very obvious, watch in one restaurant. A good reason to select something else.
    In parts of the world...such as Dubai...everyone seems to be wearing the same watches.
    Last edited by paskinner; 12th May 2019 at 11:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paskinner View Post
    Two guys wearing the same, very obvious, watch in one restaurant. A good reason to select something else.
    In parts of the world...such as Dubai...everyone seems to be wearing the same watches.
    I wear what I like and keep it under my sleeve. I've never seen another OP 39 nor a platinum Day-Date in the wild, for instance. Subs occasionally, yes, but so what? It's not a competition.

    The most interesting wild watch I've seen was a 5711 on a very well-dressed Dutch gent in his 60s or 70s in a cafe in Amsterdam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D4RW1N View Post
    I can see I’m swimming against the tide on this one, but I’m still on the “new side”.

    Given the ground swell of opinion against me though, I’m beginning to wonder why it’s so difficult to buy a new one. You’d think ADs would be drowning in the things based on this thread 
    I am far from the crowd. At first glance comparing these two side by side in this photo - my eye is drawn to the more modern one.

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    I have nothing against modern Rolex designs but appear to have ended up with four 5-digit references... I suppose that means I prefer them.

    I certainly wouldn’t say no to a ceramic Daytona or a new Pepsi, though, if anyone’s offering.

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    the issue could be that the general age group of the forum have grown up with the original case shape and due to our age find change sometimes hard to accept ......goes for his coat .I actually like the newer look but have owned both case shapes

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    I am a owner of both 5 and 6 digit. I find them both worth collecting

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    Quote Originally Posted by hchj View Post
    I am a owner of both 5 and 6 digit. I find them both worth collecting

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    The most accurate statement and best reply to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    The most accurate statement and best reply to this thread.
    I merely stated my opinion. But thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    The most accurate statement and best reply to this thread.
    Is it? No idea what the CPH1851 is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paskinner View Post
    Two guys wearing the same, very obvious, watch in one restaurant.
    What a ridiculous comment!
    Rolex Sub is not an uncommon watch. Your frequency of sighting it might depend on where one chooses to go and how closely one is watching what others are sporting. Most non WIS would not notice it. Unless one is looking, there is nothing 'obvious ' about them. I really feel for you if you are going to base your decision on what to buy/wear based on what you see on someone else's wrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holsterman View Post
    I wear what I like and keep it under my sleeve. I've never seen another OP 39 nor a platinum Day-Date in the wild, for instance. Subs occasionally, yes, but so what? It's not a competition.

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    Not a competition? Have you read the endless threads where guys plead for advice on how to jump the queue and get ahead of others buyers? It’s a competition, whether we like it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildheart View Post
    That's why I sold my SMP 2254 got fed up of seeing them everywhere.
    I'm surprised to hear you say that - I've owned a 2254 for 11 years (my first "grown up watch"). One of the reasons I chose it was that it wasn't a Sub - even then Subs were what my mother calls "ubiquitous", the other was how few you'd see about the place. I still don't see that many 2254s, plenty of the blue "Bond" ones though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimTheBob View Post
    Wow!

    Memo to self......really must:

    A - Start going to better places. Last time I was out I noticed fellow diners with the same tracksuits!

    B - Get my eyes tested. I can hardly make out the second hand on my own wrist; never mind watch spot from across the room!

    *chortles*

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    Quote Originally Posted by frp422 View Post
    You mean like this? Looks like they may have overdone the polishing on the crown guards, but I do like the chamfered lugs (this started out as a 114060 according to Tempus Machina who produced a limited run of this modification).

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    Liking that!

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    Fashion over the last decade has seen watches grow, and I would rather Rolex had enlarged the Oyster to 42mm than "bulked it out". However I still prefer the beefier look (including face, hands, crown guards etc.), not to mention the shiny scratch-proof ceramic bezel and infinitely superior clasp. I'm a one-Rolex guy who updated after 17 years from a 5-digit to a 6-digit and I'm afraid I couldn't go back.

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    Ok. I’m looking at getting a vintage oyster Perpetual but not being as knowledgable (read anal) as everyone on here what should I be looking for/ scared of


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    Quote Originally Posted by paskinner View Post
    Not a competition? Have you read the endless threads where guys plead for advice on how to jump the queue and get ahead of others buyers? It’s a competition, whether we like it or not.
    If that's how you see it, choose non-participation. Apply Zen.

    I'm arguably lucky in that I think the current must-haves are in fact deeply uncool mustn't-haves. But that's just my taste.

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    I have the older 5 digit Sub and couldn’t care two hoots who else has one or if it’s common or not, I love it and enjoy wearing it so that’s all that matters, I certainly wouldn’t wear a watch just to be different..


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    Too common for me to want to wear ��
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    I just picked up a 16600 and it feels refreshingly small for what was once considered a bulky watch. I'd have a DSSD but I prefer the smaller 5 digit watches

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    I had a 14060M and also the 116610, I actually preferred the older case with the smaller crown guards and although the ceramic bezels are more resistant I actually prefer the older models.

    Its each to their own but for me, it's the older versions I prefer and don't feel they are as blingy as the new models...

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    For me the 5 digit sports Rolex are the perfect size. I tried on the No Date Sub in the AD (3 year back when they was easy to source!) and loved it but was disappointed to see it didn’t fit right and was too big imo. The 14060m I have fits perfectly!


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