As you know, I plan to bring back the PRS-10 but I've been thinking about a new look.
38.5mm across the bezel
Flat sapphire crystal (I don't think this style needs domed)
Not sure about auto or quartz
Tritium tubes
Thoughts?
Eddie
As you know, I plan to bring back the PRS-10 but I've been thinking about a new look.
38.5mm across the bezel
Flat sapphire crystal (I don't think this style needs domed)
Not sure about auto or quartz
Tritium tubes
Thoughts?
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Looks great to me. Love the tritium tubes!
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I like!
The crown guards look a touch heavy to my eye.
That lume will look ace.
(very, very q&d...)
Fantastic looking “work” watch. I’d love one of those in quartz. Drilled lugs with shoulderless pins?
Eddie is there any particular reason why you wouldn't simply make another batch of the originals? That was the best G10 going and I'm sure there's pent-up demand. I bitterly regret selling mine.
PRS-10 is a classic. Think I've got both the BA and the precista ones. Can't understand why it never had a stronger following. Cwc are nice of course, but wr is pretty poor.
Good luck everybody. Have a good one.
I think you've nailed it Eddie. 👍😃👍
Tritium tubes deffo.
Are there also tubes in the hands?
Small size great
Think the bezel could be thinner though. Case proportionally looks bloated compared to the dial
Good idea on the crown guards
Quartz for me
Fixed bars please on a watch of this type
I for one would love a battery hatch (yes, yes I know...)
Nice font and rads
Rads in yellow please
I'm sure you'll get a few comments about the stumpy hour hand, but not a problem for me.
Best wishes
Dave
Good luck everybody. Have a good one.
Fixed bars
quartz
and for me a slightly thinner orange indice at 12.
looks good though Eduardo.
mike
On the assumption that many who aren't persuaded of the merits of your plan and opt therefore not to voice an opinion, I would suggest that anything other than a tasteful update to the original concept could well end up being one of those models you are still trying to shift 5 years down the line. I would redo the original with a box sapphire. I don't have a strong opinion of quartz vs automatic but err on the side of the former simply because this is a watch that can serve as the perfect pick up and go.
Martin
It's a nice break from the norm, the blue tubes and handset are pretty cool. Crown guards are nice, I like that.
Not sure about the orange marker at 12 though and I think I'd make the 3, 6, 9 and 12 markers a little shorter and make the numerals a couple of point sizes bigger and moved towards the outside a bit.
Oh, and a screw down crown for me. 100m wr if that's possible with a battery hatch... If not, I guess I can forgo the hatch... If it has a ten year battery...
Good luck everybody. Have a good one.
And the rads sign, id like yellow with a red circle around it, with maybe a red centre dot if that isn't too fussy...
Good luck everybody. Have a good one.
For me, it's too much messing about with a classic.
And a yellow Lollipop seconds hand...red blob at the end...
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Just call it a 15 and then it isn't a problem?Originally Posted by Lampoc
Good luck everybody. Have a good one.
Yeah, something like that. Anything but 10!
The PRS-15 is the Lady Speedbird, which is still on the cards. It has to be the PRS-10 because it has a NATO Stock Number.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Hands style is clumpy, the orange marker at 12 looks like an after thought to me and too big for the face. Maybe slim it down or change colour or both. Shorten all indices and spread the numbers out a touch, the brand name appears too close to the top to me.
Other than that, it's all bang on re case shape and size etc. I'd go fix bars and dealers choice for movement type.
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In the spirit of offering a straightforward Yorkshire opinion, I think this latest design is a complete dog's breakfast.
M
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The markers are way too long in my opinion
Another vote here for the old-style PRS-10!
You almost need two watches - a gentle upgrade of the old PRS-10 with a flat sapphire crystal and different font, and this new design.
I’m not clear why the new design needs a NSN, and how the NSN can be switched between very different watches?
Indeed it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. The 10 is a classic. I’d vote for a remake of the 10 with drilled lugs, shoulderless bars and less reflective hands than the previous model.
Someone said earlier that you’d still be trying to shift this new design in five years but I think the whole batch of a remake I described would sell out in five days, especially at a price that’s similar to that of the original.
Yea and verily.
I'm not just trying to be contrary because I'd like to see the original version of the TF Precista PRS-10 return to production again too. However, from owning a 2006 C-series CWC with the standard spec fixed lugbars and the frosted hand frames that reflect little light, I'd personally prefer, quite opposite to yourself, the fixed lugbars of the CWC and the well polished and highly reflective hand frames of Eddie's previous Precista 10 ---- the fixed lugbars because I've had mixed results with springbars in the past and no longer care much about the convenience they afford by surrendering some reliability, and the polished hand frames because they can catch and throw to your eye the dimmest of flickering light so you can tell the time even in that particular transition zone between light and darkness when the hands seem otherwise hard to discern and the lume for some reason throws out little if any of its neon-like contrast
That all said, if the original version of the TF Precista PRS-10 were to be made available again with not a jot nor twiddle of change, I'd be very happy about it
I agree with this. A slight facelift for original G10 would be best. It is a classic, you don’t want to mess about with it too much. From my perspective, new G10 looks like a mix of different ideas that doesn’t hold together. I admire the innovation though. I would put a diver bezel on it and go for German flag colours. Black nato. Call it G10-D or something.
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I like the hands and thats about it.
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Sorry, but I don't like it. At all.
That's OK though, because (a) I have a 1981 Fat Case CWC Navigator, and (b) I plan to buy a new PRS-29.
As you know, I plan to bring back the PRS-10 but I've been thinking about a new look.
38.5mm across the bezel
Flat sapphire crystal (I don't think this style needs domed)
Not sure about auto or quartz
Tritium tubes
Thoughts?
Eddie
Having just posted that I'd prefer the classic British military G10 formatted previous original version of the TF Precista PRS-10 pretty much unchanged (and, though unsaid, certainly still having the purpose-built "armoured" acrylic), and fully meaning every word I put up, I was finally but ironically able to figure out why I kept thinking of this above too:
Its aesthetics remind me of the heavy-duty front-loading one-piece case Citizen Eco-Drive field watch sometimes shown and discussed here at TZ-UK and called, IIRC, "the Ray Mears" I think. I believe that particular Citizen watch model employed a friction fit retaining ring for the flanged crystal it held in place, though I think that purpose would be much better served regardless with a heavy-duty threaded and notched screw-down retaining ring instead.
Maybe reformatting your concept above away from the standard civilian sport watch casing this one apparently has started with to the now far more rare and exclusive, and I think comprehensively far better and much more desirable front loading mono-bloc case construction similiar to the watch forum icon Citizen Ray Mears might go over very well with a broad swath of forum flocking watch enthusiasts?
I personally don't know if it would do that, but it would certainly draw my attention, I know, though probably without compromising my hope that you still make more of your original version of the TF Precista PRS-10
Love the case and integrated crown guards.
Would prefer slightly smaller indices and a slightly longer hour hand.
Please make it a quartz with fixed spring bars.
Don’t like the orange 12 marker on the dial, maybe just an orange tritium tube would suffice?
Looks good but needs smaller indices they are too long.
As someone has already suggested, narrowing the orange marker would improve the look, IMO.
Then, I would:
- lose the numerals
- use a 'T' in a circle rather than a trefoil
- wonder about a TC quartz movement
I'm not sure how many Eddie would be ordering and holding at any one time, but I'd refer him to JSP 392 Leaflet 19 (link) as an easy digest. The HSE and EA will also have published their own guidance.
This is a bit of a blast from the past. Interesting to see it emerge again, must be six years!
This is another variation I’ve managed to dig out of the Photobucket graveyard. Not sure about the sword hands but I prefer this font to the PRS-17 font I used on the original version:
Another image showing off the mini Dreadnought case shape, along with the PRS-18 for size comparison. Not sure the scale is exact but it gives an idea:
Thinking about the tritium vial lumination for the new style G10 idea reminds me that these things have a fast half-life just like tritium paint, but because they start out much brighter than the paint, the amount of emitted glow is still useable farther from factory fresh than the paint.
I have only a little bit of personal experience with tritium vial technology from a non-watch item I purchased new from the shop on the last day of 2002, with the item having left the factory 5 or 6 months earlier according to the manufacturer's records. It has 3 vials mounted end-on so that they appear as round dots with the length of the vials fully recessed into steel. The illumination emitted from them was extremely impressive when new, and though noticeably dimming, they still fulfilled their purpose well enough 5 or so years on from new. Not impressive at all now after reaching over 16 years of age.
I think that some items do require self-generating radioactive lume, like vialed tritium, to serve the purpose intended, as with the one I referred to above that stays encased in darkness until perhaps suddenly needed in the flash of a millisecond. Light refreshed SL type lume would fail at that so the only way I know to keep things functioning to purpose is to replace the 3 tritium vials every 5 years or so.
But I don't know if I'd personally want to do that with the up to 12 or so tritium vials per dial, 2 or 3 more for the hands, and maybe another for the pip of any timing bezel a tactical tool type watch might have, and the high quality and well applied SuperLuminova type lumes that TF uses would at the least give predictably reliable, functionally very good and more-or-less permanent service with no maintenance for the life of the watch.
Almost anybody wearing a watch strapped or braceleted perpendicularly across the wrist can auto self-orient it without the need for any dial lume for reference at all in even absolute darkness completely devoid of light, and the only lume needed to tell the time, or measure its passage with a timing bezel, are the hands themselves and a pip for the rotating bezel.
So with that in mind, maybe a “best of both worlds” compromise would be tritium vials for the hands and any timing bezel pip, and SuperLuminova for the dial because it might (for the less OCD of us) make more sense to only have to replace the vials at the hands and pip you need to function at full spec for the worst conditions, while not worrying if the SL "fades to naught" on the dial after too long in the dark (or keep the vials all 'round the dial but just don't replace them)
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I like that profile, especially with a lug to lug similar to the PRS-18.This is a bit of a blast from the past. Interesting to see it emerge again, must be six years!
Another image showing off the mini Dreadnought case shape, along with the PRS-18 for size comparison. Not sure the scale is exact but it gives an idea:
Exactly what Matt O. says, I'm very curious when the new PRS-10 (in any configuration but preferably as close to the original as possible) will be released.
To close the gap I have an old CWC but while it is quite accurate I don't trust it to be waterproof at all because it started fogging while cycling in the rain.
Meanwhile having a COSC PRS-18Q is very satisfying (for soothing some precision OCD) but I miss a date-window while I hear the mechanism under the dial click. Are there any options of getting better than average quartz-movements installed? Imho the average Ronda-accuracy and (lack of) drift of the seconds-hand is only so so ...
There are higher specification quartz but still no guarantee that the seconds hand will hit the markers all the time and I'm not aware of another with a ten year battery life.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
The drift of the seconds hand of the ETA F06.411 (PreciDrive) as used in the PRS-18 is far less than with a lot of of other movements and seems to behave very consistently and smoothly. Are these also available without COSC-certificates? (But then I also have a very cheap Asian dive-watch with virtually no drift at all, always spot on).
I think a battery exchange interval of 4 or 5 years is preferable over 10 years because the gaskets of the watch starting to deteriorate and I wouldn't trust it to survive a swim after that time anyway...
That's why I specify Viton gaskets.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
I’m not enamoured by the tritium tunes on a GS watch . I think as others have mentioned sometimes classics don’t need to be changed .
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Should military style watches have lume? Don't want to be giving away your position and all that.
They usually do. Most of the time it’s under a shirt cuff, and if they’re close enough to see the lume...
Hence a bund strap?
Looks like this one is going into production and we won’t see a new batch of the original.
Quartz would be nice .
Any thoughts on the movement? A quartz second hand that hit the markers would be good!
Most quartz movements will drift in and out of alignment, some days they will hit the markers and some days they won't.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
I like it as per image. Auto with screw down crown
Would be my choice
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I changed my mind.As you know, I plan to bring back the PRS-10 but I've been thinking about a new look.
38.5mm across the bezel
Flat sapphire crystal (I don't think this style needs domed)
Not sure about auto or quartz
Tritium tubes
Thoughts?
Eddie
Eddie it's not too bad, it's just that the PRS10 is such a classic obviously.
Why not make a new one as well? Especially if you can make it 40mm for those thay find the PRS10 a bit too small. PRS100
I prefer the classic g10, only add sapphire
As you know, I plan to bring back the PRS-10 but I've been thinking about a new look.
38.5mm across the bezel
Flat sapphire crystal (I don't think this style needs domed)
Not sure about auto or quartz
Tritium tubes
Thoughts?
Eddie
As you know, I plan to bring back the PRS-10 but I've been thinking about a new look.
38.5mm across the bezel
Flat sapphire crystal (I don't think this style needs domed)
Not sure about auto or quartz
Tritium tubes
Thoughts?
Eddie
This one would look great to me, too, if it was formatted into a front-loading monobloc case field watch similar to the Citizen "Ray Mears" models, but with a heavy-duty steel notched and threaded retaining-ring securing its flanged crystal instead of the RM's pry-off type friction-fit crystal retaining-ring. Going to such a format for a new General Services Watch is no more radical a move than returning to the format of the GS issue watch immediately preceding the famous G10 ---- the cushion style “cabinet” (front-loading/one-piece) case W10 from Hamilton, CWC, and Precista.
I think I would personally prefer it with the SuperLuminova, which I believe TF has an excellent reputation for doing right, instead of the tritium gas vials, though. The latter are expensive, have a limited useable lifespan, and ultimately will need to be replaced if you keep the watch long enough and still want to keep the lume functioning to its purpose. The SL works very well within its own parameters of use, and I believe it has an unlimited life-span if it stays safely under hermetic seal inside the watch's casing. SL is also going to be affordable compared to the full compliment of tritium vials shown in the opening post.
I also think that the Ronda 715Li quartz mov't with 10 year battery life Eddie has used before is an excellent, and perhaps very best choice for a tough, affordable watch meant for a hard life.
For the 7 years previous to now I used my Citizen BN0000-04H Eco-Drive 300m Diver (with the same front-loading/one-piece monobloc type case as the heavy-duty Ray Mears field watches referred to above but with a nicely working 60-click rotating timing bezel added and the WR upped 50%) as my grab&go/beater watch and it was great, especially at the 125 or so GBP equivalent I paid for it over here. Double, triple(?), quadruple(??) the price with "upgrades" of often very questionable practical and/or cost-effective value and its no longer what you started out thinking you were going to get with a G10 inspired watch, I think
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