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    A black James Bond!!

    I don’t get it. Why all the excitement and why do it at all???

    James Bond has always been accepted as a white man so why change, unless there’s a racist element here?

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    I propose new Bond title - PC is not enough or OctoPC.
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    It's like remaking Roots and casting Timothy Spall as Kunta Kinte. How on earth can they veer so far from the original theme of a story.
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    Doesn't bother me at all and it can't be unexpected in this snowflake era.

    Craig will take some beating though IMO.

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    Daniel Craig must be busy playing as Martin Luther King I guess.

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    A black James Bond!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Kenney View Post
    Doesn't bother me at all and it can't be unexpected in this snowflake era.

    Craig will take some beating though IMO.
    My thoughts too. Colour of bond doesn’t bother me. It’s more who he is. Pierce Brosnan far too cheesy , Daniel Craig is a brilliant bond in my opinion .

    The snow flakes wanting bond to be black are just as bad as dinosaurs wanting bond to be white .
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    Has this been officially announced?

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    For the forth time today Bond had been pulled over by police, "is this your car sir", he dug his finger nails into the palm of his hand and fought the urge to reach for his Walther,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    Has this been officially announced?

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    Not yet. Just speculation from a tweet by Elba “names Elba, idris Elba” .

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    I don't think that they've been radical enough

    Surely its time to have a women in the role?

    I would like to nominate Joanna Lumley

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    Luke Evans is the natural successor for me. I think he'd fit right in to the role.

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    While it makes no sense to me at all it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Once the acting/action and gadgets are up to scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Kenney View Post
    Luke Evans is the natural successor for me. I think he'd fit right in to the role.

    They could always make it a comedy and cast Lee Evans in the role, "The name's Wisdom, Norman Wisdom". But who would be cast as MG (Mr. Grimsdale) ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    They could always make it a comedy and cast Lee Evans in the role, "The name's Wisdom, Norman Wisdom". But who would be cast as MG (Mr. Grimsdale) ?
    Lee Evans is actually a good actor, but not quite up for JB

    Luke is the right age, has the rugged looks, English, and for me is a good enough actor.

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    It's absolutely ridiculous. What next? A female Doctor Who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampoc View Post
    It's absolutely ridiculous. What next? A female Doctor Who?
    Exactly. Some countries even have a female prime minister ffs
    Good luck everybody. Have a good one.

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    I read they’re going the whole hog, one leg’d Black lesbian single mother with Aids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    I read they’re going the whole hog, one leg’d Black lesbian single mother with Aids.
    Give it a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampoc View Post
    It's absolutely ridiculous. What next? A female Doctor Who?
    It's all becoming quite confusing, what with Batwoman being gay now . . .
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    A black James Bond!!

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ally- View Post
    Daniel Craig must be busy playing as Martin Luther King I guess.

    #diversity
    Yeah because Martin Luther King was fictional wasn't he?

    #if it isn't white it ain't alright!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    I don't think that they've been radical enough

    Surely its time to have a women in the role?

    I would like to nominate Joanna Lumley
    The New Avengers were a while ago,but still the repeats are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    I read they’re going the whole hog, one leg’d Black lesbian single mother with Aids.
    Shouldn't that the whole porcine.

    But seriously if the film is crap, it's crap. If it's good then it will make money irrespective of who plays Bond.

    Personally I would rather it wasn't Elba simply because he is a mumbles all his dialogue - in everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMC41 View Post

    #if it he isn't white it ain't alright!
    You are correct you know.



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    Quote Originally Posted by seikopath View Post
    Exactly. Some countries even have a female prime minister ffs
    This is the crap that happens when you give them the vote.

    (Before I clicked on this thread I just knew the usual cockroaches would crawl out and post the usual thinly veiled racist drivel)

    I think Elba will be a good fit for the role, look forward to seeing it on release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Ally- View Post
    You are correct you know.


    He's the spit of Daniel Craig, dead ringer!

    Times change, Bond has evolved every time a new actor has played him. I'm not a Bond film buff but I've just read he was originally half Scottish/half Swiss and was a heavy drinker.

    Elba's a good actor, I'm sure he'll do well.


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    BREAKING : Brad Pitt to play Tom Robinson in To Kill a Mockingbird remake.

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    I look forward to it, I like Elba, good actor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post
    This is the crap that happens when you give them the vote.

    (Before I clicked on this thread I just knew the usual cockroaches would crawl out and post the usual thinly veiled racist drivel)

    I think Elba will be a good fit for the role, look forward to seeing it on release.
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    I don't think Elba would be good as Bond, although Iike him as an actor (just watched him 'doing Bond' like things with an American accent in The Take, funnily enough)

    He's too big and conspicuous to blend in.

    He'd make a good Jack Reacher though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    It's like remaking Roots and casting Timothy Spall as Kunta Kinte. How on earth can they veer so far from the original theme of a story.
    When is Bond's colour is a key part of the story? Presumably you're outraged that he wears an Omega, drives a modern car, uses the internet, flies in modern jet aircraft and uses a mobile phone. Or were they all key parts of the original stories?

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    Wasn't everyone saying that Idris Elba would be too old by the time the part became free. He's 45 now so he'll be not far off 50 by the time production is underway, surely.

    Black or not, I think he would have been good in the role. But surely not at his age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watchcollector1 View Post
    When is Bond's colour is a key part of the story? Presumably you're outraged that he wears an Omega, drives a modern car, uses the internet, flies in modern jet aircraft and uses a mobile phone. Or were they all key parts of the original stories?
    Well I am outraged that he wears an omega lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by markrlondon View Post
    Wasn't everyone saying that Idris Elba would be too old by the time the part became free. He's 45 now so he'll be not far off 50 by the time production is underway, surely.

    Black or not, I think he would have been good in the role. But surely not at his age.
    I think both Connery and Moore were older.

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    It’s a tired old franchise that’s been flogged to death. Time to draw a line under it.

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    Stupid idea. I like Idris and I'm sure he could make a cracking spy flick. But it would be a considerable departure from the books and the rest of the canon in which tradition does have a certain currency and in which the principal character is not black.

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    I’m looking forward to the remake of Shaft with Miranda Hart and I hear Jason Statham is lined up for the Maria role in The Sound of Music movie that should sort those Nazis out good and proper

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogroover View Post
    Stupid idea. I like Idris and I'm sure he could make a cracking spy flick. But it would be a considerable departure from the books and the rest of the canon in which tradition does have a certain currency and in which the principal character is not black.
    3,2,1... racist !

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    Quote Originally Posted by watchcollector1 View Post
    When is Bond's colour is a key part of the story? Presumably you're outraged that he wears an Omega, drives a modern car, uses the internet, flies in modern jet aircraft and uses a mobile phone. Or were they all key parts of the original stories?
    These things are all peripheral. They aren't a key aspect of his identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Ally- View Post
    3,2,1... racist !
    Ah yes, I believe it's know as "virtue signalling". Well actually I suspect it's more because the Internet is a polarising medium, and it's easy to make lazy assumptions about people's motives based on your own prejudices.

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    To keep it real it's long overdue for next Bond to be gay ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by VDG View Post
    To keep it real it's long overdue for next Bond to be gay ;)
    And he shouldn’t be allowed to shoot anyone without a risk assessment being carried out either

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    I think both Connery and Moore were older.
    Connery was 32 when the first Bond movie was released. Moore was 46 when his first Bond movie was released but many people would say that Moore is not a positive advert for a Bond actor in his late 40s or 50s!

    Also, it's all very well the Bond actor being in his late 40s when he finishes his run as Bond but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea, in the world we're in now, for him (or her?) to start the role in his late 40s.

    There is also a then versus now issue. I think attitudes have changed in many ways, not necessarily for the better in all areas. A black Bond would probably have been unthinkable in the 60s and 70s whereas now it is both plausible and acceptable. Conversely a Bond in his late 40s and 50s (at least the start of the actor's run in the role) was acceptable then but, I suspect, far less acceptable now to likely audiences.
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    For me bond should be white, however if the next one is black I think chetewel Ejiofor would be a better choice than Elba.

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    Sorry, but this PC crap is going to far.

    I could not give one flying feck if someone is yellow, green, white, brown, red or any other colour under the sun, nor could i care less what god on what day you worship.

    What i can tell you is certain things should not change for the sake of PC bollox and Bond is one of them, sorry but thats how i feel. Yes, it was written in a time and an era BUT that is the essence of the books and should be adhered to in the translation of them.

    Perhaps someone would like to cast me a 50yr old, fat, white, short Irish bloke as the lead role in the film dedicated to the life story of Nelson Mandela? No?? Thought not.

    Racism? No. Sick of the bullshit? Yes.

    **for clarity I've had a glass or 2 of wine but the general feeling adheres!
    Last edited by Nev; 12th August 2018 at 22:59.

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    It's a daft idea. I don't think I would watch it.

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    Connery was 53 in his last Bond role and Moore was 57 (as was David Niven).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nev View Post
    Sorry, but this PC crap is going to far.

    I could not give one flying feck if someone is yellow, green, white, brown, red or any other colour under the sun, nor could i care less what god on what day you worship.

    What i can tell you is certain things should not change for the sake of PC bollox and Bond is one of them, sorry but thats how i feel. Yes, it was written in a time and an era BUT that is the essence of the books and should be adhered to in the translation of them.

    Perhaps someone would like to cast me a 50yr old, fat, white, short Irish bloke as the lead role in the film dedicated to the life story of Nelson Mandela? No?? Thought not.

    Racism? No. Sick of the bullshit? Yes.

    **for clarity I've had a glass or 2 of wine but the general feeling adheres!
    Not sure if you are aware of this, but Bond is a fictional character. Mandela is a historical figure.
    Good luck everybody. Have a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabiscuit View Post
    It’s a tired old franchise that’s been flogged to death. Time to draw a line under it.
    They may have done just that, a thick black one.

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