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    Quote Originally Posted by stefmcd View Post
    I think Craig has been incredibly bland. Bond is a cartoon hero. There has to be some charisma in the performance.
    Rab c nesbitt?
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    Why is it easier to accept his face changing than his skin colour?


    Its just another recast.


    Most people watching the films today don't know the character as written by Fleming, or that there were books about Bond.


    Speaking of the books (I've never picked one up) tell me does every villain plan on killing Bond not quickly with a bullet to the head but in a Heath Robinson way involving a shark tank or slow moving laser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seikopath View Post
    Rab c nesbitt?
    Lol. If only Connery had a grandson who could act.

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    Unnecessary?? Why? It’s a f’cucking fictional person, my little girl will never read the books and won’t give a toss about the man’s intended colour, he should just be cool and swish. A non issue, except for those baldies from “oldiemore”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seikopath View Post
    Rab c nesbitt?
    Well he does drink and smoke enough to play Bond, but I feel he might be more at home in the bookies than in the Casino Royale.
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    I think Idris Elba is a great actor. The skin colour doesn’t bother me. It’s not like he’s playing an historical figure or even a real person. Creative license


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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    I don't think that they've been radical enough

    Surely its time to have a women in the role?

    I would like to nominate Joanna Lumley
    Surely a trans person? Don’t be so oppressive!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl.1 View Post
    I agree, but this is racist.
    you clearly dont understand what the term Racist means...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl.1 View Post
    I agree, but this is racist.
    you clearly dont understand what the term Racist means...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kace View Post
    Why is it easier to accept his face changing than his skin colour?


    Its just another recast.


    Most people watching the films today don't know the character as written by Fleming, or that there were books about Bond.
    Because skin colour forms part of the character, as does height, weight, age etc. It's why Ideas Elba was cast as Stringer Bell, and Luther, and why the casting director didn't choose somebody like Hugh Grant or Warwick Davis for those parts.

    And whilst most don't really know of Fleming's Bond we have seen the previous films in the franchise which have delved into Bond's background.

    I don't see the racist element. If the next Hulk movie had a pink hulk people would say it was inconsistent with what's gone before. That's all.

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    I tend to disagree a bit, I didn't mind Tom Cruise as Reacher and Lee Child himself signed off on it. His justification was that while he had to be a bit crude and "nail on head" about Reacher in the novels with him reminding us every three paragraphs that he's a big lad, the big screen allows much more scope to show that he is an "unstoppable force" in a different way.
    Lee Child is/was talking out of his hole.


    He’s on record as saying years before on the potential casting: "Definitely not Tom Cruise, he's too short."


    Aside from filming cameos, he had zero to do with casting or anything else on the films.


    Asked to comment on the eve of release, he’s hardly going to needlessly slam a movie based on his creation, especially when he’s delightedly seeing $$$$ signs at having (arguably) the worlds biggest male movie star inhabit the role with potential for a money-spinning ‘tent-pole’ multi-film series that can only serve to make more money for him too.


    So he backtracked, cobbling some old b*ll*cks together to justify it, and the films were deeply mediocre in every way. Cruise’s casting is not solely to blame of course, but when you divorce a character from the very essence which helped make it so popular in the first place - when he himself had spent 16 novels painting Reacher as a human wrecking ball - then it’s a bad start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velorum View Post
    I don't think that they've been radical enough

    Surely its time to have a women in the role?

    I would like to nominate Joanna Lumley
    A trans Bond. That would ruffle a few rugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevkojak View Post
    Coming soon, an angry "sexism" thread about remaking Harry Potter with a girl as the lead (Mary Potter?). Equally as frigging pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Wood View Post
    It's a daft idea. I don't think I would watch it.
    Regardless of storyline, plot or critical acclaim if it happened to be a box office smash? You wouldn’t watch it why? Because he is black?

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    All this mewling about who's going to play an imaginary sociopath just goes to show that mediocre white guys are the most sensitive bunch of pussies ever. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Smith View Post
    Maybe but as others have alluded, try casting a traditional 'black' role with any other race or colour and watch the fur and feathers fly.
    So, similar to this, you mean?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...-jungle-cruise

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    James Bond, serious business.


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    Quote Originally Posted by redmonaco View Post
    you clearly dont understand what the term Racist means...

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    you clearly dont understand what the term Racist means...
    Ah bless, go on then explain it......

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    Regardless of colour the next Bond probably needs to be mid 30s to have any length of tenure in the role. Craig was 37 when he got it and is now 50. That in itself should rule out a fair few of the candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Sure we will have a non-binary Bond at some time
    He’s already non-binary, otherwise he’d be James Bond 111.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl.1 View Post
    Some folk think the world has move on. Love this racist thread.

    Clearly it has not.
    I’d put money on the fact that the whiter and older you the more likely you are to be outraged by a black bond....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummar01 View Post
    I’d put money on the fact the the whiter and older you the more likely you are to be outraged by a black bond....
    It’s definitely a gammon thing.

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    He'll be good. Not like Timothy Dalton, Sean Connery, Roger Moore, Daniel Craig, pierce Brosnan played the same guy. Totally different each time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummar01 View Post
    I’d put money on the fact the the whiter and older you the more likely you are to be outraged by a black bond....

    RACIST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddelvirks View Post
    Unnecessary?? Why? It’s a f’cucking fictional person, my little girl will never read the books and won’t give a toss about the man’s intended colour, he should just be cool and swish. A non issue, except for those baldies from “oldiemore”.
    I agree. I also look forward to Daniel Craig playing Shaft.

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    In that case then, I didn't see any white people in the city of Wakanda while watching black panther?......whys that?.....because it's based on black origin, and would look damn stupid.....but then again, we now have black people in white period dramas in roles that never existed back then??....good for one, but not for the other?
    With Skyfall and Spectre, there was a whole back story for Bond and his past. Casting anyone other than white and blue eyed now, will make a complete farce of it all. The only way it would work, is if they take the story line back to ground zero, but then if they did, they may as well give him a new name?
    Maybe we could have Hugh Grant or similar playing the role of Shaft some day?
    We have music awards called the Mobo's.....Music of Black Origin.....Maybe Bond should be in the film category of FoWo.....Films of White Origin.....?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Juggles View Post
    In that case then, I didn't see any white people in the city of Wakanda while watching black panther?......whys that?.....because it's based on black origin, and would look damn stupid.....but then again, we now have black people in white period dramas in roles that never existed back then??....good for one, but not for the other?
    With Skyfall and Spectre, there was a whole back story for Bond and his past. Casting anyone other than white and blue eyed now, will make a complete farce of it all. The only way it would work, is if they take the story line back to ground zero, but then if they did, they may as well give him a new name?
    Maybe we could have Hugh Grant or similar playing the role of Shaft some day?
    We have music awards called the Mobo's.....Music of Black Origin.....Maybe Bond should be in the film category of FoWo.....Films of White Origin.....?


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    What I think you're saying is if the whole back story was filmed with Craig then only he can play Bond? If we're after continuity the role should have died with Connery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Juggles View Post
    In that case then, I didn't see any white people in the city of Wakanda while watching black panther?......whys that?.....because it's based on black origin, and would look damn stupid.....but then again, we now have black people in white period dramas in roles that never existed back then??....good for one, but not for the other?
    With Skyfall and Spectre, there was a whole back story for Bond and his past. Casting anyone other than white and blue eyed now, will make a complete farce of it all. The only way it would work, is if they take the story line back to ground zero, but then if they did, they may as well give him a new name?
    Maybe we could have Hugh Grant or similar playing the role of Shaft some day?
    We have music awards called the Mobo's.....Music of Black Origin.....Maybe Bond should be in the film category of FoWo.....Films of White Origin.....?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy100 View Post
    What I think you're saying is if the whole back story was filmed with Craig then only he can play Bond? If we're after continuity the role should have died with Connery.
    No, not what I’m saying.....as previously stated, the last 2 films were based on a blue eyed, blond haired boy, who was taken in by the Blofield family when orphaned......pics and dialogue shown throughout the films.....if they are going to use anyone other than described, it will not tie up with the back story or they should start a whole new Bond time line.... not just step into Craig’s shoes and continue.
    All this comparing the films with the Connery and Moore era are shite. All of those films were individual, and never carried any back story apart from the main bad guy Blofield, who was in many different guises and was killed various times, then came back in a later film totally unrelated to what had happened previously?
    The film capabilities and special effects back then were rubbish and low budget, but over the last 4 films, they have built a huge story line with all of Bonds history along the way.....How does that work with a sudden change to a black guy???

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    From Private Eye, 2015, for God's sake. Shame to see the arguments haven't moved on at all.


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    If all the Bond films were set in the 50's and 60's with 'Commander Bond' as 007, then I would want Bond to be played by a white, male actor of the appropriate age, etc. However, as the films are set in the 'modern day' each time, unless Commander Bond is a time-traveller, it is patently absurd for Bond to be a 50's clone. Therefore, 'James Bond' is now basically a pseudonym for any 007 secret agent and as such can be played by ANYONE.

    I just wish it wasn't Idris Elba as he's an arrogant, self-important tw@t. I have personal experience of the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Juggles View Post
    No, not what I’m saying.....as previously stated, the last 2 films were based on a blue eyed, blond haired boy, who was taken in by the Blofield family when orphaned......pics and dialogue shown throughout the films.....if they are going to use anyone other than described, it will not tie up with the back story or they should start a whole new Bond time line.... not just step into Craig’s shoes and continue.
    All this comparing the films with the Connery and Moore era are shite. All of those films were individual, and never carried any back story apart from the main bad guy Blofield, who was in many different guises and was killed various times, then came back in a later film totally unrelated to what had happened previously?
    The film capabilities and special effects back then were rubbish and low budget, but over the last 4 films, they have built a huge story line with all of Bonds history along the way.....How does that work with a sudden change to a black guy???
    Are you saying the new bond must have blue eyes and blonde hair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBin5 View Post
    Are you saying the new bond must have blue eyes and blonde hair?
    Not necessarily, just tie up with the existing story line......being black doesn’t.

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    Blimey lots of arguing over something that hasn’t happened and even if it had it’s just a bloomin film!
    I’ve not watched anything with Elba in so don’t know if he’d be good as bond or not. I do recall Daniel Craig being announced and there being a big moan about his fairer hair and for me he’s the best Bond by far. If the film is decent it doesn’t matter who plays Bond so long as the personality traits are kept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMC41 View Post
    Corrie changed Tracey Barlow and no-one complained.
    I wouldn't have complained if they'd have changed her for Beyoncé or Halle Berry, but it would have been a bit weird wouldn't it? – Kind of raises a bit back story issue, which is what most people who've watched the last few Bond movies are referring to.

    I'd don't watch Corrie any more but if they cast Mike Tyson as Roy Cropper and Zendaya playing Fiz I'd be all over it.

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    Doesn't really matter. Fleming started the series, but other writers have taken it on and evolved the character.

    Some characters have to be a certain colour, it's intrinsic to the story. Bond isn't one of those.

    Bond characters are a reflection of the time the films are made. It's one of the reasons they've remained successful and relevant.


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    The Producers/ writers should never have tried to fashion an in-depth backstory/ family history for Bond as the character can change so much from film to film.

    Bit stupid!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Juggles View Post
    Not necessarily, just tie up with the existing story line......being black doesn’t.

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    I’ve not watched anything with Elba in so don’t know if he’d be good as bond or not.
    You need a few nights in watching The Wire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Juggles View Post
    Not necessarily, just tie up with the existing story line......being black doesn’t.
    Neither would Bond having brown, black or ginger hair. Or brown or green eyes.

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    He's blond?

    Always thought that he was ginger

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker View Post
    I wouldn't have complained if they'd have changed her for Beyoncé or Halle Berry, but it would have been a bit weird wouldn't it? – Kind of raises a bit back story issue, which is what most people who've watched the last few Bond movies are referring to.

    I'd don't watch Corrie any more but if they cast Mike Tyson as Roy Cropper and Zendaya playing Fiz I'd be all over it.
    Haven’t watched it for years. If they’d changed her for Eva Mendez I’d still be watching it.

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    For the purists who want to stick to the original storyline, he needs to drive an old smoky, rattily 1950's Bentley.
    And not one of those modern DB5 Aston Martins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarrenVrs View Post
    Bond characters are a reflection of the time the films are made. It's one of the reasons they've remained successful and relevant.
    Quite, and if 'realism' is important then they should probably cast an Asian actor, as I believe that's been a recruitment focus for the Secret Services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeny View Post
    For the purists who want to stick to the original storyline, he needs to drive an old smoky, rattily 1950's Bentley.
    And not one of those modern DB5 Aston Martins.
    And wear Brylcream whilst smoking lots of tabs

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowman View Post

    He'd make a good Jack Reacher though!

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    I've always read the Reacher books... and this is always how I'd pictured his physic! I watched Lawrence play for many years and the way he tore through men also convinced me ;-)


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    ^^ Nah,he's too small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jardine32 View Post
    ^^ Nah,he's too small.
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    HA,HA. Jack Reacher 6'5 = Lawrence Dallaglio 6'4, so loses an inch.

    Tom Cruise 5' 7 ¾.........

    I do know what you mean though, in some of the books he bulks up even more for the hell of it and is a monster!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Juggles View Post
    No, not what I’m saying.....as previously stated, the last 2 films were based on a blue eyed, blond haired boy, who was taken in by the Blofield family when orphaned......pics and dialogue shown throughout the films.....if they are going to use anyone other than described, it will not tie up with the back story or they should start a whole new Bond time line.... not just step into Craig’s shoes and continue.
    All this comparing the films with the Connery and Moore era are shite. All of those films were individual, and never carried any back story apart from the main bad guy Blofield, who was in many different guises and was killed various times, then came back in a later film totally unrelated to what had happened previously?
    The film capabilities and special effects back then were rubbish and low budget, but over the last 4 films, they have built a huge story line with all of Bonds history along the way.....How does that work with a sudden change to a black guy???
    Bond really jumped the shark with the whole plot and backstory in Spectre and the sooner they forget that the better.
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