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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    I really appreciate all the input and advice, guys - thank you.

    My list of potential test rides is looking like this, I think:

    MT-07
    Vitpilen 701
    Scrambler Classic
    Street Triple R LRH

    Not wishing to diss any bike that takes your interest but I passed my test in 2004 and bought a Yamaha XJ600 to go and learn how to ride post test, three years later I thought time to upgrade to a Street Triple, big mistake on my part, two hour rides became unbearable..... then I tried an Aprilia Shiver... wow like night and day, but you must try and get test rides for all options, uncool probably but at least you will know which one suits YOU best. ps There are old bikers and bold bikers but not many old bold bikers... (I modified that anecdote from our flying club manual)

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspector gadget View Post
    Not wishing to diss any bike that takes your interest but I passed my test in 2004 and bought a Yamaha XJ600 to go and learn how to ride post test, three years later I thought time to upgrade to a Street Triple, big mistake on my part, two hour rides became unbearable..... then I tried an Aprilia Shiver... wow like night and day, but you must try and get test rides for all options, uncool probably but at least you will know which one suits YOU best. ps There are old bikers and bold bikers but not many old bold bikers... (I modified that anecdote from our flying club manual)

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    Yes, Iíll test them for sure. My gut feeling is that the first two, whilst perhaps not being the best bikes in many respects, will be by far the most comfortable for me. Time will tell.

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    Iíd personally stay away from Husqvarna because I donít know where the heck Iíd go for servicing and parts!
    Parts supply is worth considering, as smaller manufacturers are often slow with this. I met a guy who had an Aprilia (not exactly a small manufacturer) sat in the garage for a month waiting for a replacement part.
    With the big brands, you wonít have to go far to find an approved service centre and you wonít have to wait long for bits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Yes, Scott, perfect. I quote from the opening paragraph:

    ďIím going to say this right off the bat so that I donít forget to later: Do NOT buy this bike if youíre a beginner and just starting off in the world of 2-wheelers. I say that not as a challenge of any kind, but more from the fact that this bike is definitely for a seasoned biker, I kid you not.Ē
    I know, I thought you would appreciate that ;) - but in all honesty itís just a review, and the bike is light for a Guzzi and not high power etc. It would be very comfortable, and being shaft drive would need very little maintenance, which is a huge benefit to a new or born again biker - I find dealing with a chain on my Africa Twin DCT commuter a pain compared to my shaft drive R1200 BMWís

    Plus they can bought bought at good prices.

    See what you prefer the look of, and enjoy riding. Youíll know which bike you have a preference for quite quickly.
    It's just a matter of time...

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    Hi Tony, I went through a similar process a while ago and ended up with a Ducati Scrambler 800cc. A bit more CC than you wanted but power wise similar to the MT07.
    Itís light and nimble, cheap to run and very reliable. After a test I preferred it to the MT09. Better riding position for me and I love the brand.



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    Which one did you go for, Andy (is that the Icon), and did you test more than one?

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    I went for the Icon mainly as I wanted a red one. I was one of the first to get one of these when they were released in March 15. Iíve tried a fair few since but nothing is as fun for me. I had a multi Strada before this and although bloody fast the Scrambler is more fun as itís lighter. For me this was the overriding feature when considering a bike. Iím sure there are good dealers where you live but i went to P&H in Crawley that have so
    Many bikes on demo I went for a day and took out 5 or 6. That way it was easier to compare.

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    Thanks Andy - the Icon is the one that seems to fit the bill for me too.

    A funny thing happened over the course of yesterday evening. Firstly, I was musing on how everyone is nudging me towards larger bikes; this is understandable, but to be honest I'll never be racing and style and comfort are the most important things to me. Secondly, I think I allowed myself to be swayed in terms of looks by the MT-07 and Vitpilen, given that what I've always loved are the retro looks from the 70s and 80s (when I was riding Honda 250s without a licence, god forgive me).

    Anyway, the bikes on here that have always made me drool are Jason's, especially his bobber. So different to a lot of the bikes I've been considering but still the aesthetic that I like more than anything. Then, last night, I discovered something; a smaller engine at 500cc, but a style that reflects what I really like, and dimensions that perfectly suit a short-arse like me. The Honda CMX500 Rebel.



    I have t say that I'm totally in love with the looks of this bike. Reviews on YouTube indicate that it's perfect for poodling around in town, whilst will also happily cruise all day at an acceptable speed on an open road or on the motorway. The seat is also nice and low, so no issues with regard to handling in stop/start conditions. It's going straight onto my shortlist, and I won't be swayed by the inevitable response that it's too small an engine! So now, having removed the less classicly-styled machines from the list...

    Scrambler Icon
    Street Triple R LRH
    CMX500 Rebel
    MT-07
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    I see the F750 didn't make the cut, then.

    Shame, as it definitely ticks the not too fast but properly comfortable boxes.

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    Hondas are reliable bikes so if you love the look then that might be the one.
    Another point I would make is that I like the laid back up right riding position and thatís why I went icon rather than a Full Throttle.
    I found the MT and street triple a more agressive position with lower forward bars.
    Enjoy the hunt, as with all these things thatís part of the fun

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    If you liked the look then make sure you try the Harleys.
    You know your watches well enough to understand that if you fancy one, no substitute will do even if itís a beyter/more reasonable choice
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    The looks of the F750 don't quite do it for me - too much of a sports styling, I suspect.

    I've removed the Vitpilen from the list, as I'm gravitating back towards a more classic look. I do like the styling of the Icon a lot, I have to say. Kept the MT-07, though, as it clearly fits the bill in terms of size and performance.
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    With regard to Harleys, one of my sons has one, a 1200 Sportster. I went from Warrington to Barmouth on it, a journey I love through the summer and do it many times on my bikes. I would never do it again on a Harley with the 'feet forward' position. It feels fine at first, but becomes very tiring after half an hour or so, and my hips and lower back were in agony for days after. And don't even mention the lack of brakes and vibrations !!

    Ducatis are nice and I love 'em...... till they go wrong or need servicing. They have deffo got more reliable in recent years though, but I recently paid £700 for the belt service on my Diavel. They need doing every 5 years of 15000 miles, and also with single siders the rear wheel has to come out and the hub needs servicing/shimming/greasing or whatever which also adds to the cost. I think most of the cost is labour, as Duc main dealers charge a fair bit hourly rate. Also if they go wrong be prepared for a bit of a wait for parts, I needed/wanted a new brake lever for mine after I caught it getting into my garage, 3 weeks from spaghettiland to arrive, now if that was an off the road part I'd have been stuffed. I still suggest you try to get an extended test ride on your shortlist, a short ride is neither here nor there, and you'll only really get the feel for the bike on a decent run.

    Don't forget to get some decent clothing as well. That's an area you shouldn't skimp on. A decent make set of leathers is always a good idea, and include boots and gloves in this as well. Its very tempting to nip out in jeans and tee shirt, especially in this recent weather, but gravel rash in the event of an off, even at low speed can be extremely bad. My Bro can testify to this, he still has the scars from 20 odd years back. And also factor in a lid. Again, don't skimp here, try a few different makes on as like bikes, they all fit differently.

    I'm sure you'll get something which will keep you happy, but like another poster has suggested, bikes are akin to watches, even when you are initially overjoyed with your purchase, you WILL want to change in time !! Good hunting.

    Stuart

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    Tony if you want the ultimate classic look take a look at the Triumph Bobber, it's the fourth biggest selling bike in the UK at the moment over 125cc. Ignore the 1200cc engine size, it's only 80bhp, I had a go on one a few weeks ago, it's not an intimidating bike at all, it's a very lazy laid back engine. It has endless customization possibilities too and gets rave reviews

    Just a suggestion if you want something retro and classic looking, this has a very low seat and is all about the style




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    I learnt to ride on an MT07, Tony. I loved it and went out and bought one without looking at other makes and models. It’s easy to ride, smooth power delivery, and will more than you need until you have a couple of years experience under your belt. If you buy new, they are a great price but there is a good chance that you will spend a small fortune on upgrades. If you buy used, low mileage, barely used examples are widely available, with upgrades already fitted, but check the rear swing arm for rust which can be a problem. The titanium Akrapovich was the upgrade to have. Fitted without the baffles, the bike sounded like the apocalypse! This was mine;



    An absolute minter, upgraded massively, 2300 miles on the clock and sold for less than £5k.
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    That Bobber does look the biz doesn't it tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnabull View Post
    That Bobber does look the biz doesn't it tbh.

    Stuart
    Its funny because it was a Voodoo chopper on SC that made me want to learn to ride a bike.


    https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...o-Bobber-(1994)

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    Some Bobber customs






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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard View Post
    Tony if you want the ultimate classic look take a look at the Triumph Bobber, it's the fourth biggest selling bike in the UK at the moment over 125cc.jpg[/IMG]
    And itíll be the biggest selling used bike next year as they are pretty crap unless you want the out of the box bobber look that lacks any originality. The HT tuned engine is exciting for about 15 mins. Personally Iíd make a bobber not buy one.

    Re the HD comments above. Having had quite a few they were all comfortable and rode one from Edinburgh to London in one stopping once to refuel. I think HD are great if all your mates have them itís a good lifestyle bike.

    Bottom line is there are lots of bikes as thereís lots of opinions and once youíre on it only you care so buy it for the right reasons.



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    Quote Originally Posted by stefaulkner View Post
    ...An absolute minter, upgraded massively, 2300 miles on the clock and sold for less than £5k.
    Damn!

    Anyway, I've put it back on my shortlist as - despite the more modern styling - it could still be the perfect bike for me.

    Right now, I'm happy with the four that I look like testing, albeit that the CBX500 Rebel is a bit of an odd man out. I do have an intuitive feeling about that one, though.

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    Hereís how the last 6 years looked.




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    I love your taste in bikes, Kerry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    I love your taste in bikes, Kerry.
    Wish I did I chop them
    Every year!

    But being back on a Thruxton feels quite good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Perfect_Sandwich View Post
    Iíd personally stay away from Husqvarna because I donít know where the heck Iíd go for servicing and parts!
    Parts supply is worth considering, as smaller manufacturers are often slow with this. I met a guy who had an Aprilia (not exactly a small manufacturer) sat in the garage for a month waiting for a replacement part.
    With the big brands, you wonít have to go far to find an approved service centre and you wonít have to wait long for bits.
    Husquvarna are owned by Perer Industries, to all intents and purposes KTM and they are the biggest European bike manufacturer after overtaking BMW recently. Iíd be more worried about Guzzi or Aprilia, and even Yamaha who massively reduced their dealer network a few years ago


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    Good luck with whatever you choose but maybe a couple of pointers.
    Always see if you can get an extended test, 30mins on a sporty thing give little idea what it's like to live with, also allows you to see if you get any aches and pains after an hour or so.
    Decide what you want the bike for, sunday bimbles, european touring, taking partners on the back etc... all bikes will do this differently.
    Think about resale, you probably will want to change it after a while as you get more into riding, left field/minority interest bikes are great, till you come to sell them!
    When you take the test ride, take some time to wheel the bike around a bit (preferably at home where you plan to keep it) to ensure you can manage it and manoeuvre it around.
    Don't rely too much on testers opinions, they may not be looking for the things you are looking for in a bike, e.g. someone saying 90bhp is underpowered!
    finally, make sure it fits you and that you are comfortable, no point having the bestest bike if it cripples you and you end up not using it.
    Cheers, John B
    p.s. continue to get training as you become more advanced...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 100thmonkey View Post
    Wish I did I chop them
    Every year!

    But being back on a Thruxton feels quite good.


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    I could never have the Thruxton as my only bike, but it defo is one bike that you would look back at, after you parked it up.........

    Great for weekend blasts and a night/weekend away too.

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    Been taking things easy on this for a few years.........


    .....had to put the mid position foot controls back on though.......



    ..but have a hankering for something different now, Maybe R9T or MV Brutale for a complete change although always had a fascination with the Griso, dunno why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    I could never have the Thruxton as my only bike, but it defo is one bike that you would look back at, after you parked it up.........

    Great for weekend blasts and a night/weekend away too.
    Really Why?

    Done 3000 miles in just over 3 weeks now
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    Been taking things easy on this for a few years.........


    ...

    ..but have a hankering for something different now, Maybe R9T or MV Brutale for a complete change although always had a fascination with the Griso, dunno why.

    Ian
    Nice that, I looked at the MV Brutale too as I loved it but service support is a challenge as would spares be and sales support etc, I havenít ridden one but an experienced friend I trust has and said looks mental and is but you have to wring its neck to make it so
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    Quote Originally Posted by 100thmonkey View Post
    Really Why?

    Done 3000 miles in just over 3 weeks now
    Wow. Have you done nothing else but ride the bike? 3k in three weeks. Really?

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    Iíll put money on you NOT ending up on a Street Triple R! Gonna be far too rampant and sporty for your tastes, methinks

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    And Iíll say again, Yamaha XSR700! MT-07 with a more retro look


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    Which did you prefer the most? And would you go back to it if you could??

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    Hereís how the last 6 years looked.




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    I bought this new 11 years ago now still love it:



    Personally I think it's the perfect novice's bike as long as you have a bit of self discipline. Light, wieldy, low seat height, with a grunty engine that will pull from 30mph in 6th quite happily. The three-pot engine is a masterpiece and sounds awesome when giving it the beans

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraniteQuarry View Post
    And Iíll say again, Yamaha XSR700! MT-07 with a more retro look

    I like the look of that, David. Will do a bit of research!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraniteQuarry View Post
    Iíll put money on you NOT ending up on a Street Triple R! Gonna be far too rampant and sporty for your tastes, methinks
    How do you think it compares to the Scrambler in terms of characteristics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnabull View Post
    With regard to Harleys, one of my sons has one, a 1200 Sportster. I went from Warrington to Barmouth on it, a journey I love through the summer and do it many times on my bikes. I would never do it again on a Harley with the 'feet forward' position. It feels fine at first, but becomes very tiring after half an hour or so, and my hips and lower back were in agony for days after. And don't even mention the lack of brakes and vibrations !!
    Whereas I did John O'Groats to Swindon on my 97 (carb, solid mounted) 1200 Sportster in a day without too much problem other than the driving rain.

    I was considering carrying on to Lands End, but it was only the fact that I'd have to turn around and ride back to Swindon that night that stopped me.

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    This is the nicest bike Iíve seen this year around the cafes




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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    I like the look of that, David. Will do a bit of research!
    Well, I've spent a while looking at comparisons between the two, and the MT seems to be more the kind of bike that I'm after, and also a better weight and size for a short-arse like me. On that basis I think my list remains these four (well, now 6):

    Scrambler Icon
    Street Triple R LRH
    CMX500 Rebel
    CB500X
    MT-07
    SV650

    My only issue with the CMX500 is that it might be a bit vanilla, and probably requires a bit of customisation to bring it up to a slightly better spec. However, the two Hondas are probably better in terms of power as i fear some of the others may be a bit much as beginners bikes.
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    I had that one for a few months while itís legitimate owner was in the army.
    Outstanding bike. Not many could keep up on twisty roads.
    Brutal
    Supremely uncomfortable in its day to day use: a thoroughbred isnít meant for trivial stuff like going from A to B.
    Forget painful wrists, the joke started when you needed to turn around.
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    Tony - I have no experience of motorbikes whatsoever, but a friend of mine was looking at Buell the other day. Have you considered them, as they look (to me) similar to what you are after?

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    Tony - I have no experience of motorbikes whatsoever, but a friend of mine was looking at Buell the other day. Have you considered them, as they look (to me) similar to what you are after?
    Great bikes but went out of production 9 years ago

    The XB9S/XB12S (depending on whether they were based on the 883 or 1200 Harley motors) were brilliant fun in their day, especially if you weren't that bothered about keeping the front wheel on the ground :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp View Post
    Great bikes but went out of production 9 years ago

    The XB9S/XB12S (depending on whether they were based on the 883 or 1200 Harley motors) were brilliant fun in their day, especially if you weren't that bothered about keeping the front wheel on the ground :-)
    Oh! I did say I knew jack sh*t about bikes lolz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Well, I've spent a while looking at comparisons between the two, and the MT seems to be more the kind of bike that I'm after, and also a better weight and size for a short-arse like me. On that basis I think my list remains these four:

    Scrambler Icon
    Street Triple R LRH
    CMX500 Rebel
    MT-07

    My only issue with the CMX500 is that it might be a bit vanilla, and probably requires a bit of customisation to bring it up to a slightly better spec.
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    I think he should try them. Once he has he will be more able to listen and understand. At the moment itís only hear say for him, he can only base his judgment on aesthetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 100thmonkey View Post
    Forget the icon and the CMX


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    I think he should try them. Once he has he will be more able to listen and understand. At the moment it’s only hear say for him, he can only base his judgment on aesthetics.
    That's my feeling at the moment too. Kerry, can I ask why you say that?

    By the way, I managed to ascertain the difference between the R and the R LRH; an inch lower seat height and slightly less fork travel on the latter.

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    Nobody seems to have mentioned the SV650 - any reason why? Looks beautiful!


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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    How do you think it compares to the Scrambler in terms of characteristics?
    Sorry Tony can’t confirm much as only been on the Triple R; reason I say it’s frantic is with circa 110hp it’s near 50% up on a few of your other choices. Great bike as many have said but definitely one for the go-faster rider imo.

    BTW all this talk of MT-07 has me looking again haha, been off the road for a couple years!

    Oh, and I’m sure you’ve done it but have a look on eBay at prices, a lot of main dealers listing keen discounts esp. on last year’s model or pre-reg delivery miles

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraniteQuarry View Post
    Sorry Tony canít confirm much as only been on the Triple R; reason I say itís frantic is with circa 110hp itís near 50% up on a few of your other choices. Great bike as many have said but definitely one for the go-faster rider imo.

    BTW all this talk of MT-07 has me looking again haha, been off the road for a couple years!

    Oh, and Iím sure youíve done it but have a look on eBay at prices, a lot of main dealers listing keen discounts esp. on last yearís model or pre-reg delivery miles
    Ah, understood and something to bear in mind for sure. Thanks for the eBay tip, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Nobody seems to have mentioned the SV650 - any reason why? Looks beautiful!

    Had the older version as one of my DAS bikes (see previous replies to this post) but couldn't get on with it. Reason: short legs and arms and the seat height and reach to the bars made it difficult to get to grips with some of the slow speed manouvres, partiuclarly the U-turn. Got on the ER6 and cracked it straight away.

    Perhaps the geometry is different on the newer bike. Your school might even use them so you can try out before you think about buying. Personally I hated it but that's the nature of these things.

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