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    So a new project landed today. Itís an original Harris F1 with a 750 GSXR engine. Itís going to need a lot of work but itís got the makings. The plan is to turn it into an XR69 replica, hopefully on the road by the spring.


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    That is so cool..😎😎😎^^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch View Post
    That is so cool..^^^^
    Groundrush Id go as far an say cooler than a penguins ass!

    Performance bikes often feature XR69 builds , might be worth keeping an eye out. The Blue ones look stunning as well.

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    Excellent build quality and a monster motor but didn't integrate to become a great motorcycle.








    My Triumph is far poorer on paper but is far more comfortable and is just more coherent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp View Post
    Excellent build quality and a monster motor but didn't integrate to become a great motorcycle.








    My Triumph is far poorer on paper but is far more comfortable and is just more coherent.

    In fairness you are comparing a cruiser to a mid-market offering from Triumph.

    The Harley market is where the BMW is looking to compete.

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    Nice little TZ ride-out today - loving this bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    In fairness you are comparing a cruiser to a mid-market offering from Triumph.

    The Harley market is where the BMW is looking to compete.
    What was it like in terms of power and handling?

    As good as it looks is it better than the fxdr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    In fairness you are comparing a cruiser to a mid-market offering from Triumph.

    The Harley market is where the BMW is looking to compete.
    Having owned and ridden HDs, I stand by the comments about the bike; for me, it just doesn't work.

    The comment about the Triumph wasn't that the Triumph is better, it's that it's better balanced. The engine/chassis/brakes/riding position work together.

    I've made similar comments about current HDs, in particular that the lower powered 107 engines are more suited to the bikes than the 114 engines.

    The R18 has an engine with monster torque at the bottom end so works well at lower speeds, but suspension that is overly firm such that it works best at higher speeds that don't suit the riding position or the brakes or the engine which gets very coarse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp View Post
    Having owned and ridden HDs, I stand by the comments about the bike; for me, it just doesn't work.

    The comment about the Triumph wasn't that the Triumph is better, it's that it's better balanced. The engine/chassis/brakes/riding position work together.

    I've made similar comments about current HDs, in particular that the lower powered 107 engines are more suited to the bikes than the 114 engines.

    The R18 has an engine with monster torque at the bottom end so works well at lower speeds, but suspension that is overly firm such that it works best at higher speeds that don't suit the riding position or the brakes or the engine which gets very coarse.
    That is fine, but your original post was comparing apples with oranges!

    The BMW is a premium product aimed at the top end of the cruiser market. The Triumph is a mass market bike comprised of various assemblies from the Triumph parts bin.

    Great if you prefer the Triumph, but the better comparison would have been with the new Rocket 3, which is much closer to the BMW in terms of concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    In fairness you are comparing a cruiser to a mid-market offering from Triumph.

    The Harley market is where the BMW is looking to compete.
    Can't see that ever competing with Harleys. Two totally different things. And Harleys don't 'compete' with anything really, they're just Harleys.
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    Yup....Harley have their own market segment.
    Pity for them it's shrinking faster than testicles in icy water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    The Triumph is a mass market bike comprised of various assemblies from the Triumph parts bin.
    Ouch!!


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    Something I learnt today... don't stop your bike using the engine kill switch.

    Or if you do, like I did yesterday when I nipped out between showers, remember you did it the next morning or you will panic when it won't start and you end up thinking your one week old bike is borked with various colourful thoughts involving the words 'Italian' and 'electrics'.

    All good now

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigweb View Post
    What was it like in terms of power and handling?

    As good as it looks is it better than the fxdr?
    I'll try and say a bit more and not make the mistake of making a comparison with the wrong bike...

    Summary... 1.8 litres of monstrous torque wrapped up in a very shiny black and chrome package. Lots of vibration, suspension harsh at legal speeds, poor brakes, uncomfortable and bloody heavy. Exhaust not quite as ugly in real life as it looks.

    The engine is phenomenal at the bottom end but vibes are really intrusive above 3,000 RPM. It works nicely between 45mph and 60mph in 4th though so the engine is great for cruising. Brilliant at firing out of slow corners. I'm not sure why there are 3 engine modes though as the "Roll" setting is very soft and I can't see the point of it.

    I do like that they've engineered the torque reaction back in (or not engineered it out if you prefer) so it behaves more like older boxers, at least in terms of rotation around the crank if not the rear rise and squat.

    Suspension is harsh and needs to you to press on before it starts to work well, which suits neither the engine vibes or the riding position. It does mean that it is quite unpleasant at cruising speeds on imperfect tarmac.

    The handling is actually rather good and you can press on, but obviously ground clearance is a limiting factor. Thankfully the bike isn't hampered by a huge rear tyre and skinny front requiring lots of counter-steering to keep it on line

    It's possible that the brakes weren't fully bedded in on the demo, but I wasn't confident that they'd haul me to a stop if I needed them to. Thankfully engine braking helped out.

    Comfort isn't something that BMW feel they need to trouble us with on this bike. The riding position is a little cramped but bearable, but the seat is like a bench. I note that BMW offer a higher seat which might make the knee bend a little easier.

    The electronics package is a little basic, there's no fuel gauge or range indication which surprised me. Nor is there cruise or even an option of sat nav. Neither is there a quick shifter, but with the torque reaction that's perhaps a good thing.

    I've no idea why it's got a 200mph speedo either other than for bragging rights down the pub.

    I own 3 BMW boxers at the moment and haven't been without one since, I think, 1987, so I am pretty familiar with the product and what BMW can do. The R18 feels like an opportunity missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skmark View Post
    Ouch!!


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    Don't worry, even if you do think of the Street Scrambler as a parts bin special, the point I was making is that Triumph has picked them carefully to work harmoniously and as a package it's more consistent than the BMW that's been developed with a clean sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory View Post
    Something I learnt today... don't stop your bike using the engine kill switch.

    Or if you do, like I did yesterday when I nipped out between showers, remember you did it the next morning or you will panic when it won't start and you end up thinking your one week old bike is borked with various colourful thoughts involving the words 'Italian' and 'electrics'.

    All good now
    Haha weíve all done it. Or at least I have. More than once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory View Post
    Something I learnt today... don't stop your bike using the engine kill switch.

    Or if you do, like I did yesterday when I nipped out between showers, remember you did it the next morning or you will panic when it won't start and you end up thinking your one week old bike is borked with various colourful thoughts involving the words 'Italian' and 'electrics'.

    All good now

    or fuel tap off then when you get to the first corner the bike starts sputtering until you realise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp View Post
    :-)

    Don't worry, even if you do think of the Street Scrambler as a parts bin special, the point I was making is that Triumph has picked them carefully to work harmoniously and as a package it's more consistent than the BMW that's been developed with a clean sheet.
    Triumph are guilty more so than most others for spinning endless derivatives from the same basic platform. Look at the vast product range and then look at how many different drivetrains there are, for example.

    I personally find their evocation of past design language trite. The nod to the Turner parallel twin being the most obvious. High tech in the early 50s but so boring today.

    My original point was that you were comparing apples with oranges. Triumph do interesting clean sheet designs such as with the Rocket 3, which would be the obvious comparison with the BMW. Big torquey engine only used in that bike, cruiser riding position, probably aimed at a certain age demographic etc. etc.

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    Based on Gypís description of the BMW it appears to me, that Triumph have little to worry about regarding the rocket loosing sales to the BM

    The rocket is smooth, comfortable, has sensible ground clearance, cruise control and actually goes around corners with surprisingly little effort. It also has fantastic brakes

    Itís also well equipped with a TFT Screen providing lots of information..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch View Post
    Based on Gypís description of the BMW it appears to me, that Triumph have little to worry about regarding the rocket loosing sales to the BM

    The rocket is smooth, comfortable, has sensible ground clearance, cruise control and actually goes around corners with surprisingly little effort. It also has fantastic brakes

    Itís also well equipped with a TFT Screen providing lots of information..
    Looks a billion times better as well.

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    I'm going to disagree here. I have owned a couple of Harleys and thought for cruising they were good. I have also owned 5 boxers and currently have a 1250. I like the R18 and would consider buying one as a second bike or bar hopper. The suspension can be adjusted and there are 3 different options for seats and setups. It's not a bike I would travel across Europe on, but for Sunday ride outs, think its quite cool. The market will be BMW owners who want a bike with a nod to the past. I doubt if BMW are expecting to sell loads to Harley owners.

    I also like Triumphs, but only today I was taking to a mate who has a classic BSA and I don't really get the new bike trying to be an old one, aka Bonniville. If you want a Bonny buy an original. But that is the key to motorcycling everyone has different views and likes, bit like watches. Yes I do own a Rolex as well :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by casbar View Post
    I don't really get the new bike trying to be an old one, aka Bonniville. If you want a Bonny buy an original. But that is the key to motorcycling everyone has different views and likes, bit like watches. Yes I do own a Rolex as well :)
    How many old bonnyís do you think are available at any given time? I hope I can be forgiven, but I prefer my bikes to start in the morning, get me to where Iím going, and not pee oil all over the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plake View Post
    Looks a billion times better as well.
    I pointed out that I really didn't like all the chrome and was happily informed that this wasn't a problem as BMW are offering lots of accessories to get a blacked-out look.

    Thing is, the chrome pack is part of the launch edition which is charged for.

    So they charge a couple of grand to put the extra chrome on, then another couple of grand to take it back off again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch View Post
    How many old bonnyís do you think are available at any given time? I hope I can be forgiven, but I prefer my bikes to start in the morning, get me to where Iím going, and not pee oil all over the place.
    So a pastiche then? That is my issue with some of Triumphís line up. They own the rights to the name, but the rebooted company has nothing to do with the one that died a slow death at Meridien, so why copy so much of the old design language? When they shift most of the production to Thailand what will be the point of a bike like the Bonneville...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    So a pastiche then? That is my issue with some of Triumphís line up. They own the rights to the name, but the rebooted company has nothing to do with the one that died a slow death at Meridien, so why copy so much of the old design language? When they shift most of the production to Thailand what will be the point of a bike like the Bonneville...?
    They moved the production a while back. They only do the TFC bikes in the UK.

    Like them or not, I absolutely love my Bonneville. It's the only bike that's put a genuine smile on my face for years and brought back the joy I felt when I first started riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    Triumph are guilty more so than most others for spinning endless derivatives from the same basic platform.
    May be they should do a collaboration with Omega, in fact a string of collaborations with Omega. Throw some 007 in there too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    So a pastiche then? That is my issue with some of Triumphís line up. They own the rights to the name, but the rebooted company has nothing to do with the one that died a slow death at Meridien, so why copy so much of the old design language? When they shift most of the production to Thailand what will be the point of a bike like the Bonneville...?
    Nobody cares what happened in the past. Theyíre making good bikes that are selling very well all over the world. They have thousand upon thousands of happy customers. So theyíre doing something right

    Just like the Fiat 500, Mini, and VW Beetle, many buyers like the retro look, but with modern reliable mechanicals.

    Iíve lost count of the amount of positive comments Iíve had from people regarding the Bobber and Speedmaster, seems wherever I park it, there will be someone reminiscing about the bike they had that looked just like it back in the 60ís.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundrush View Post
    So a new project landed today. Itís an original Harris F1 with a 750 GSXR engine. Itís going to need a lot of work but itís got the makings. The plan is to turn it into an XR69 replica, hopefully on the road by the spring.

    That's going to be a lot of fun next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch View Post
    Nobody cares what happened in the past. Theyíre making good bikes that are selling very well all over the world. They have thousand upon thousands of happy customers. So theyíre doing something right

    Just like the Fiat 500, Mini, and VW Beetle, many buyers like the retro look, but with modern reliable mechanicals.

    Iíve lost count of the amount of positive comments Iíve had from people regarding the Bobber and Speedmaster, seems wherever I park it, there will be someone reminiscing about the bike they had that looked just like it back in the 60ís.
    Agreed above not just Miniís and Beetles , but also Kawasaki W800ís , Honda Monkey bikes and Guzzi V7ís all based on 60/70ís design but with inherent reliability and cleaner engines. Both the W800 and Guzzi even at 750cc barely hit 50 bhp so they are certainly not courting performance, its the looks they are after.

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    The new Bonnie is light years ahead of the 60's shitters, it's design is pretty faithfull to the original.
    There are zero 1960's bikes that I desire or I'd like to own.
    Hipsters and misty eyed old blokes can have them....most will lose interest after they've been stranded a few times.
    I've met so many denial diehards at bike meet etcs.....recognised by the anxiety of wondering if they'll make it home.
    Wasted way too much time in the 60's trying to get them to run correctly.
    They were mostly a pain in the arse then, and not a lot has changed.

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    Had a couple of lovely days' riding with TZ friends, and I'm liking the Thruxton even more now (despite knowing that it's not the best ergonomically for hours in the saddle). It looks so good too.


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    Lovely day today so I went for three separate rides.
    First, for those who know it involved the Cat & Fiddle and similar roads.
    Then after lunch I gave Calimoto a go and told it to send me on a round trip south on Macclesfield. This was really good and took me on some very nice roads I know well and some very nice roads that were completely new to me.
    Then late afternoon I had to take the bike back to my garage but seem to have ended up in the middle of Manchester...

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Had a couple of lovely days' riding with TZ friends, and I'm liking the Thruxton even more now (despite knowing that it's not the best ergonomically for hours in the saddle). It looks so good too.
    Good couple of rides over the weekend Tony.

    Here's 60 seconds from today's ride with you, me and Howard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory View Post
    Lovely day today so I went for three separate rides.
    First, for those who know it involved the Cat & Fiddle and similar roads.
    Then after lunch I gave Calimoto a go and told it to send me on a round trip south on Macclesfield. This was really good and took me on some very nice roads I know well and some very nice roads that were completely new to me.
    Then late afternoon I had to take the bike back to my garage but seem to have ended up in the middle of Manchester...


    where was the poster and what did it say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwest76 View Post
    where was the poster and what did it say?
    It's on Port St, Northern Quarter and is a mural of Ian Curtis for Headstock, mental health music festival. #WorldMentalHealthDay (yesterday).

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    MOT and service yesterday for the RR.
    Saw the R18 demo bike Bahnstormer had in - not my cuppa at all. There was a Rocket 3 there too. Looked 10 x better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifa View Post
    The new Bonnie is light years ahead of the 60's shitters, it's design is pretty faithfull to the original.
    There are zero 1960's bikes that I desire or I'd like to own.
    Hipsters and misty eyed old blokes can have them....most will lose interest after they've been stranded a few times.
    I've met so many denial diehards at bike meet etcs.....recognised by the anxiety of wondering if they'll make it home.
    Wasted way too much time in the 60's trying to get them to run correctly.
    They were mostly a pain in the arse then, and not a lot has changed.
    I understand that the heart is ruling the head here, but to take what youíve said to the logical conclusion...

    60s British bikes were sh1t

    Yet people still want to be seen riding facsimiles of these sh1t bikes

    Despite the fact they are now made by a company with no connection to the original

    And they are assembled in Thailand

    But people still buy them and tart them up with Union Jack fly screens, in spite of all of the above.

    In the cold light of day you must see this is absurd! What are you paying homage to when you do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post

    In the cold light of day you must see this is absurd! What are you paying homage to when you do this?
    Don't care. Really enjoy riding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    I understand that the heart is ruling the head here, but to take what youíve said to the logical conclusion...

    60s British bikes were sh1t

    Yet people still want to be seen riding facsimiles of these sh1t bikes

    Despite the fact they are now made by a company with no connection to the original

    And they are assembled in Thailand

    But people still buy them and tart them up with Union Jack fly screens, in spite of all of the above.

    In the cold light of day you must see this is absurd! What are you paying homage to when you do this?

    Ok you have made your point , so lets move on. This is one of the best threads for bikers on TZ so lets keep it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory View Post
    Something I learnt today... don't stop your bike using the engine kill switch.

    Or if you do, like I did yesterday when I nipped out between showers, remember you did it the next morning or you will panic when it won't start and you end up thinking your one week old bike is borked with various colourful thoughts involving the words 'Italian' and 'electrics'.

    All good now
    A wag at work used to think it funny to set the parked motorbikes' kill switches to off. First time it confused me quite a lot but worked it out after a bit. I suspected at the time it was a "joke" as I have never used the kill switch.

    Second time I remembered so not a problem, checked the other bikes and he'd done them all. I undid his handiwork for him.

    My Speed Twin has a combined kill/starter switch which seems like a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory View Post
    It's on Port St, Northern Quarter and is a mural of Ian Curtis for Headstock, mental health music festival. #WorldMentalHealthDay (yesterday).

    Thanks I was listening to JD at 2am I found some new stuff on youtube.

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    Left a sunny but cold, dry, Warrington this morning with the intention of getting to my usual ride destination, Barmouth. By Queensferry the roads were patchy damp, and bu Ruthin they were basically full wet. I considered turning back as I absolutely hate the wet, but decided to carry on to Bala and re assess the situation there. Rhug cafe for those that know it, had all of 2 bikes in so I gave it a miss and decided to get to the lake stop at Bala. The skies were looking very dark and cloudy by now. Then it happened, the rain started, and that was it for me. Turned round right there and shot back home. The worse thing is the ride was mainly crap cos of the wet roads and my bike is now filthy. Will have to jet it off tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    I understand that the heart is ruling the head here, but to take what youíve said to the logical conclusion...

    60s British bikes were sh1t

    Yet people still want to be seen riding facsimiles of these sh1t bikes

    Despite the fact they are now made by a company with no connection to the original

    And they are assembled in Thailand

    But people still buy them and tart them up with Union Jack fly screens, in spite of all of the above.

    In the cold light of day you must see this is absurd! What are you paying homage to when you do this?

    what John Bloor has done is nothing short of a miracle.

    I myself ride bikes that stir my soul and not for practical reasons.

    Anyone whos heart doesn't flutter when he sees a Brough superior or hears a Trident or an old Beezer plugger just isnt living.


    On that note,I saw a silver DB5 today winging down a Cotswold lane in the sun,wow lovely job but not as practical as a Micra which would you chose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnabull View Post
    The worse thing is the ride was mainly crap cos of the wet roads and my bike is now filthy. Will have to jet it off tomorrow.

    Stuart
    Oh no Stuart, you be careful it doesnít melt away🤪🤪

    As for me, my Zard buyer flaked, I looked at the weather and decided Iíd rather take my Mrs to her horse riding event.😎 (scored some brownie points to put in the bank)

    As for the Zard, if it hasnít sold by the time my new ramp arrives, Iím refitting itís to the XDiavel😈😈

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    I understand that the heart is ruling the head here, but to take what youíve said to the logical conclusion...

    60s British bikes were sh1t

    Yet people still want to be seen riding facsimiles of these sh1t bikes

    Despite the fact they are now made by a company with no connection to the original

    And they are assembled in Thailand

    But people still buy them and tart them up with Union Jack fly screens, in spite of all of the above.

    In the cold light of day you must see this is absurd! What are you paying homage to when you do this?
    Perhaps the design of 60s bikes had something that appeals to bikers. (bikers not motorcyclists note)

    Iíve owned many bikes from Sports mopeds in the 70s, to Jap fours including the Z1, British bikes from a Tiger Cub upwards and Harleys.
    I now ride an Enfield Interceptor with less power than most of those and probably less street cred. But I like the style and I like the ride. Iím not paying homage to anything Iíve been there and done it.
    Bikers will probably understand. I doubt you will.
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    Looks like we both had bad days for different reasons Enoch. Jet wash off tomoz and onto the trickle I think. If we get a good Sunday Iíll be out, other than that itíll be next year for me now I reckon.

    Get the Zard back on your X. Why you take it off anyway, you thinking of getting rid of the Diavel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnabull View Post
    Get the Zard back on your X. Why you take it off anyway, you thinking of getting rid of the Diavel?

    Stuart
    I thought it was a bit to loud, but Iím going to modify the DB killers and give it another go..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch View Post
    I thought it was a bit to loud, but Iím going to modify the DB killers and give it another go..
    If the sound isnt to your liking then fair enough. The full Termi system me and Phil had on our Diavels were pretty loud tbh. And we never had baffles in. I actually liked the sound but I get it may annoy others. Must admit, after 5 or 6 hours on the bike I would get off with my ears and head ringing!!!

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    Taking my very filthy bike (two full days of riding over the weekend) to Freddy Trott in an hour or so for a Full Monty valet and ACF-50 treatment, the latter of which I definitely don't fancy doing myself. I'd previously been riding out to Chesham twice a year to see the AYB rep out there but this is 5 minutes from my house, includes a comprehensive valet from the best in the business and is only £20 more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp View Post
    I'll try and say a bit more and not make the mistake of making a comparison with the wrong bike...

    Summary... 1.8 litres of monstrous torque wrapped up in a very shiny black and chrome package. Lots of vibration, suspension harsh at legal speeds, poor brakes, uncomfortable and bloody heavy. Exhaust not quite as ugly in real life as it looks.

    The engine is phenomenal at the bottom end but vibes are really intrusive above 3,000 RPM. It works nicely between 45mph and 60mph in 4th though so the engine is great for cruising. Brilliant at firing out of slow corners. I'm not sure why there are 3 engine modes though as the "Roll" setting is very soft and I can't see the point of it.

    I do like that they've engineered the torque reaction back in (or not engineered it out if you prefer) so it behaves more like older boxers, at least in terms of rotation around the crank if not the rear rise and squat.

    Suspension is harsh and needs to you to press on before it starts to work well, which suits neither the engine vibes or the riding position. It does mean that it is quite unpleasant at cruising speeds on imperfect tarmac.

    The handling is actually rather good and you can press on, but obviously ground clearance is a limiting factor. Thankfully the bike isn't hampered by a huge rear tyre and skinny front requiring lots of counter-steering to keep it on line

    It's possible that the brakes weren't fully bedded in on the demo, but I wasn't confident that they'd haul me to a stop if I needed them to. Thankfully engine braking helped out.

    Comfort isn't something that BMW feel they need to trouble us with on this bike. The riding position is a little cramped but bearable, but the seat is like a bench. I note that BMW offer a higher seat which might make the knee bend a little easier.

    The electronics package is a little basic, there's no fuel gauge or range indication which surprised me. Nor is there cruise or even an option of sat nav. Neither is there a quick shifter, but with the torque reaction that's perhaps a good thing.

    I've no idea why it's got a 200mph speedo either other than for bragging rights down the pub.

    I own 3 BMW boxers at the moment and haven't been without one since, I think, 1987, so I am pretty familiar with the product and what BMW can do. The R18 feels like an opportunity missed.
    Thanks for the review!

    Sounds like it doesn't know what it want to be.

    I love the look of it. Maybe it will be developed over time into something more fit for purpose.

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